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| Schiavo Situation [message #146359] |
Tue, 29 March 2005 07:34   |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Fair enough, but does the nominator fit under 6 or 7? You said you were merely led to believe he was a doctor.
And really, watch the mainstream media, who announces him as a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize in medicine... and they never correct their mistakes.
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As of 9 years ago, and that's the only CT scan ever taken of her brain. Her husband wouldn't allow an MRI be done on her, which would reveal much more about the brain that cannot be gathered from a CT scan.
Other than that sorry excuse for "evidence", you have no evidence that she is simply "a body without a mind," that she cannot feel pain, and that she is truly unconcious, so everything you have said in this thread means absolute dick (then again, that also applies to everything you have ever said in this forum).
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Did he really not let anyone give Terri Schiavo a CAT scan? Really? You must have some evidence beyond What Fox Said.
And how is that a sorry excuse for evidence? It's a scan of her brain showing how the back is smooth, and not bumpy like a normal brain, and how there's a gigantic hole in the middle that has since been filled with cerebral spinal fluid.
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I was watching FOX last night, some Hannity & Zombie special or something, and Terri Schiavo's parent's lawyer is talking about how she asked Terri if she wanted to live, and slowly, and with great effort, Schiavo said IIIIIII waaannnnttt tooooo liiiivveee....
Terri Schiavo is deaf. That and Colmes is a loser.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146528] |
Tue, 29 March 2005 19:28 |
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YSLMuffins
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Apparently, it took them years to figure out how to do that, so it's classified as a "medical procedure" rather than life support I think.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146575] |
Tue, 29 March 2005 22:52 |
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NukeIt15
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You can't just stick a tube in and forget about the whole thing. You would still need someone to clean the body, deal with the waste, rotate the body every so often (otherwise, clots tend to form which can block blood flow and cause death), perform tests to make sure that, yes, she's still a vegetable, keep records, etc.
Over the course of years, the cost of keeping a body on life support with medical staff caring for it, can rise into the millions of dollars. Especially, as in this case, when the body can do nothing to aid the medical staff. That's an awful lot of money to be spending on someone who isn't really THERE anymore. Money that should be going into care for patients who are still alive, and who have some hope of recovery- not for bodies with no capacity for emotion, thought, or feeling.
BTW, has anyone even looked at the CAT scan of this woman's head? The only thing that's even working in there is the brain stem- you can't think with that, you can't feel with that. The lights are on, but nobody's home.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146590] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 00:16 |
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Crimson
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And really, watch the mainstream media, who announces him as a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize in medicine... and they never correct their mistakes.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151148,00.html
Here's a transcript of Hannity and Colmes where they talked to this guy in question. ONCE in the transcript, Hannity said "Peace" instead of just "Nobel Prize". Given it's not scripted, I would say it was a simple mistake in words.
Nowhere else but that one citation do I find references to a "nobel peace prize in medicine"... but don't take MY word for it.
http://search.foxnews.com/_1_2UGSTYI02Y8IJFI__info.foxnws/search/web/nobel%2Bprize%2Bmedicine
Oh my god, there I go citing sources again.
I'm the bawss.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146659] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 10:07 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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That's the only transcript I could find on FOX, CNN, or MSNBC even talking about Dr. Hammesfahr. But I did look at the actual letter written by Rep. Mike Bilirakis (R-FL), which does actually reference the Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine. This must be where Hannity made the mistake. That and Bilikaris wasn't authorized to nominate Hammesfahr for the award anyways.
According to an explanation of the nomination process posted on the Nobel Prize website, the Nobel Assembly sends out invitations to approximately 3,000 people who are allowed to propose candidates for the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine. The 3,000 are "mainly members of the Nobel Assembly, previous prize winners, and a selection of professors at universities around the world" -- not U.S. congressmen. Furthermore, the Nobel Assembly's "Nomination and Selection" criteria make clear that "information about the nominations, investigations, and opinions concerning the award is kept secret for fifty years," so if Hammesfahr had received an actual nomination, he presumably would not know about it.
So you know, Hammesfahr was disciplined in 2003 by the Florida Board of Medicine
So Hammesfahr couldn't have been nominated, and if he had been, he wouldn't know about it.
But that didn't stop Hannity from making the reference 8 times, and Joe Scarborough making the reference 4 times. Scarborough also claimed that Hammesfahr treated Schiavo, which is false, since the doctor merely examined her along with 4 others.
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From the March 21 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: And we're going to talk to a doctor who spent 10 hours with her tonight, and he says that he believes, in his expert opinion -- this is a man that was nominated for a Nobel Prize, by the way -- that she could be rehabilitated.
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HANNITY: And coming up later in the program tonight, we're going to meet a doctor who actually spent 10 hours examining Terri Schiavo. He was nominated for a Nobel Prize. He believes that she could be rehabilitated.
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HANNITY: You were nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine?
HAMMESFAHR: Yes.
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HANNITY: You were nominated to get a Nobel Peace Prize in this work. Are you saying that this woman could be rehabilitated?
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HANNITY: How is it possible we're in this position if you have examined her? You were up for a Nobel Prize. This is mind boggling to me.
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HANNITY: Well, this is what I want to understand. This is your area of expertise that got you nominated for one of the most prestigious awards in medicine, the Nobel Prize.
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HANNITY: -- hang on a second -- and talk to a Nobel prize-nominated physician who spent 10 hours with her, who believes if, given the opportunity, he can rehabilitate her?
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HANNITY: Imagine being in his position and having a guy like a Nobel Prize nominee like Dr. Hammesfahr, who I'm looking at right now, who spent 10 hours with her and feels that, given the chance, he could rehabilitate this girl.
From the March 21 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country:
SCARBOROUGH: And a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who has treated Terri Schiavo, he says Terri should live and that her husband is perpetrating a hoax that is just aimed at killing his wife.
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SCARBOROUGH: And I'm going to be talking with a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who has treated Terri Schiavo and he says her husband is pulling a huge hoax simply to kill his wife.
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SCARBOROUGH: Coming up: a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who is treating Terri Schiavo says her husband is pulling a hoax.
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SCARBOROUGH: So, what is Terri Schiavo's true medical condition? Here to help us sort it out is Dr. William Hammesfahr. He's a neurologist who was nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in medicine. And he's one of the doctors who has treated Terri Schiavo.
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So I was partially mistaken about the mainstream media. But if anything they were trying to cover up for this hoax letter by not accurately citing it.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146742] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 17:22 |
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You're making an accusation that you can't back up, or at least haven't backed up... I'm not saying that he "was able to" nominate, but you're stating that he "could not" nominate. Do you think you should maybe find out if he was possibly sent a nomination form, before outright discrediting him? They send out around 3,000 offers to whomever they choose.. I seriously doubt he was one of them, but I wouldn't say he wasn't, unless I knew for sure; how about you?
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146745] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 17:34 |
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So you're saying that "mainstream media" is perpetuating this "story"... and yet you only pull up one network who is doing it. There are a few more you haven't referenced. Hence, you're still dead wrong.
I'm the bawss.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146823] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 04:13 |
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Hmm, yes, we should always believe what we see on the tv and them old fashioned news"paper" things. I prefer not to bother myself..
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146865] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 09:39 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Were the fuck do you find all of these things out? your a f*cking retard, show me one thing that says she's deaf and can't feel anything thats not from some bullsh*t source (aka your dad)
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Just thought I'd get back to this - she has no cortex, which means she can't hear. It also means she can't see.
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You're making an accusation that you can't back up, or at least haven't backed up... I'm not saying that he "was able to" nominate, but you're stating that he "could not" nominate. Do you think you should maybe find out if he was possibly sent a nomination form, before outright discrediting him? They send out around 3,000 offers to whomever they choose.. I seriously doubt he was one of them, but I wouldn't say he wasn't, unless I knew for sure; how about you?
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The Nobel organization offers invitations to "mainly members of the Nobel Assembly, previous prize winners, and a selection of professors at universities around the world" Not U.S. Congressmen. And even then, if it were a real nomination, Hammesfahr wouldn't know about it since the process is a secret.
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So you're saying that "mainstream media" is perpetuating this "story"... and yet you only pull up one network who is doing it. There are a few more you haven't referenced. Hence, you're still dead wrong.
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Scarborough's show is on MSNBC.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146921] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 16:06 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I hope your happy Tool, you have successfully supported the murder by starvation of an innocent disabled woman in the Unted States of America.
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You do indeed refuse to read my opinion on the matter, don't you?
You've made no attempt to address it.
You obviously have made no conscious thought about what I'm saying
And I'm the mindless "tool"
Michael Schiavo has succesfully proven in front of 28 courts in a row that Terri Schiavo is braindead. The movies the media shows time and again of Terri having random, spasmodic muscle twitches are by no means a sign of whether or not she is thinking any more. Her brain lacks both the capacity to see and hear.
It was a sad event when Terri Schiavo died 15 years ago. But the past is the past, and it's long past time to move on.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146927] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 16:15 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Only if there's anything to suffer from it.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146934] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 16:33 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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You entirely misinterpreted what I said. Try again.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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