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| pulverizer wrote on Wed, 12 October 2005 11:47 |
Yeah I know what you mean. There had to be a beginning. and what was there BEFORE the beginning? Nothing I think. It's really strange to imagine what "nothing" is. It has no shape, Size, collor (not white or black, nor invisible) etc. Then there was something in Nothing which was created or created itself. I don't realy care what happend after that. But what happend before all that can bother the hell out of me.
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In our minds we can't comprehend the fact of something always existing, just like trying to understand infinity. God has always been there, and just because we think there HAS to be a beginning doesn't mean there really was one, it's just that our minds are too puny to understand that concept. It is in fact infinity.
Think of it like trying to understand infinity, but just because it is very difficult to comprehend doesn't mean there must be an end in space and that nothing is infinite.
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| Re: The Universe *similar to time travel thread* [message #174675 is a reply to message #174240] |
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"infinity" and the concept "always existing" are not comparable. What's so difficult about understanding infinity? as numbers go up you'll create more number digits and so on and so on...
Regardless, can't you technically say that everything has always existed? (and i don't mean new species i mean solar systems and planets) why would it necessarily have to be a supreme being that's "always existed". It's not much of an argument and it doesn't get anyone out of explaining how god would've been made.
now since the universe as we know it is huge, i don't think getting life from the inanimate is so entirely impossible since given the large amoung of time the universe has been here and the large space it has. one chance of life happening out of the entire universe in the span of its time is not so completely proposterous of an idea. I mean if the universe if infinity big, is it that hard to believe that at least one planet has life?
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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: The Universe *similar to time travel thread* [message #174708 is a reply to message #174675] |
Fri, 14 October 2005 12:10 |
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"infinity" and the concept "always existing" are not comparable. What's so difficult about understanding infinity? as numbers go up you'll create more number digits and so on and so on...
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I can tell you didn't think about my post very much when you read it. For humans, understanding how space goes on forever is incredibly difficult. That's infinity, and that's how it's comparable to "always existing". Please don't respond to that with something like "What's so difficult about understanding how space goes on forever? It just goes on forever, that's easy to understand...", because that would be a stupid response that wasn't thought out very well at all.
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Regardless, can't you technically say that everything has always existed? (and i don't mean new species i mean solar systems and planets) why would it necessarily have to be a supreme being that's "always existed". It's not much of an argument and it doesn't get anyone out of explaining how god would've been made.
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Of course it doesn't make sense, which proves my point. We aren't the most advanced intelligent beings, as we like to think we are. I believe in the Bible, and the Bible says that God has always existed. Just because we think it's impossible for something to always be there doesn't mean it HAD to be made. Again, we are not capable of understanding that. You can't make a logical argument out of it, but God can.
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| Re: The Universe *similar to time travel thread* [message #174740 is a reply to message #174708] |
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The way I look at space is that you have nothingness and in this nothingness you have planets, comets, and suns, etc.. The way i see space, it seems understandable. i don't know how to explain it well, but i can try. nothingness is just "nothing" and you fill in that void with planets and objects. there may come a point where all you see is nothingness and if you keep going in that direction you get more nothingness forever (For example, from in the middle of nothingness is a big bang* and everything goes away from that point, eventually gravity or other forces might slow them down or stop them in the direction they were going.)
another way of going about this is, say there's a guy and a girl. the guy that is holding a pipe that is going straight into the sky says to the girl, "This pipe goes on forever and ever and never stops." The girl replies, "If the pipe goes on forever and ever who is making the *material* that is going up and up." now when you've got something that isn't made of anything this would seem a little bit more understandable because, well, you don't need anything for "nothing" to be created.
also my point about saying god has always been there was just to say that it can work in a whole bunch of other instances. who is to say that life hasn't just "always been there" I'm not stating it's impossible for something to have existed forever.
thing is, as you can guess i'm not very religious. I believe that something made thousands of years ago not credible. I think that life after death is a fantasy. That back then maybe people needed to have more purpose in life.
maybe i'm clearly looking at things completely different than everyone else.
* meaning I'm not saying this is what happened
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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: The Universe *similar to time travel thread* [message #174795 is a reply to message #174397] |
Fri, 14 October 2005 22:29 |
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| sterps wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 20:16 |
1st is the 'Big Bang Theory'. This basically says that at some point in time there was huge explosion which created matter. It also says that this is the reason why galaxies are speeding away from each other, as a result from the explosion. This theory also says that soon or "it may have already started", that the explosion is now starting to implode and everything will draw to a point and crunch again, and there will be another explosion.
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That's actually a few years out of date.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/hubble_expansion_03041 0.html
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At first there was disbelief. Then widespread befuddlement. Then a period of quantification. Now, five years after discovering that the universe is expanding at an ever-faster pace, scientists know exactly how much mysterious "dark energy" is behind the acceleration and have turned to figuring out what it is.
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The universe is not slowing down as it expands, it is actually speeding up. Instead of a 'Big Crunch' followed by another Big Bang, the universe may accelerate out of control and be obliterated when not even atoms can withstand the stress.
But that'll take a few billion years, if it ever happens. 
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