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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405886 is a reply to message #405878] Wed, 07 October 2009 02:10 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 03:03

A final ladder question. TK2 runs a server that's 100 % pure mode for the first 5 minutes oft he game, but allows donate after these first 5 minutes. How would u deal with this?

i think donate in the first five minutes is bullshit, but after that it's not a problem. so it'll score pretty highly on the ladder. depends on server size etc too though

Jelly wrote

I have a compromise I may be willing to offer to the relevant people, but I aint doing it on here. I will chat to the TT people if they want to..

You wanna throw me a PM, then? Seems like I'm TT's 'sales rep' on this one...

now, zell. before i respond to your post, how about that from now on, every time you're totally wrong about something (like, for example, spoony defended h2o), you admit it before you post again?
zell wrote

but i dont believe u should have the right to strip away jellys servers just to replace them with servers which have points fix all ur doing is trying to eliminate the current point systems servers

That's completely untrue. COMPLETELY untrue. I've been very open about exactly what the problem is: simply that one community should not have a monopoly on it. If someone has the power to say who gets up there on the game listings, it shouldn't be one individual community; it should be a more proper authority who'll use it more responsibly, with less bias.

People try to reduce everything I've said to "LOL U WANT POINTSFIX"; they don't realise they're making their case weaker by doing something this dishonest, not stronger.

zell wrote

this is why i do not agree with what ur saying and trying to accomplish
i think if jelly gets the names first hes entitled to keep them and do whatever he wishes

Here's a question, let's say somebody registered all the Renegade serials. In fact, someone actually tried doing that (he got thousands and thousands of them). Let's say, hypothetically, that he got them all.

He got them first, right? Totally his choice what he does with them, so if you wanted to start a server you'd need to go cap in hand to him.

zell wrote

by leading cw.cc i meant become the admin of it and run the league sorry wasnt clear about it

I've offered him an admin position on CW several times, he's always said no... as for who wants to run the league now I'm pretty open to offers, as it happens.

zell wrote

ive alrdy told u about the h2o thing i read ur topic i believed what u was saying was defending h2o but when u explained i got it

no, you believed I was defending h2o because you DIDN'T read the topic and because you DIDN'T read what i was saying. either that or you just don't understand your own first language.

zell wrote

i dont see why u had to bring this up it has nothing to do with this situation its just once again u always resort to this kind of crap in some way to try and attempt to get into a fight with him if u seriously want to make everything clear not only to me but others aswell maybe u should try not to get a rise out of people and talk to them like people. if u did this in the first place u wouldnt have made such a ridiculous topic and u n jelly wouldve most likely came to some sort of conclusion or something fair everybody knows jelly is a reasonable person to talk to.
even u have to admit u was wrong to speak publicly about this

I guess you STILL haven't read the topic. Look at my posts compared to my replies from jelly. The difference between the two is astonishing.

I've done nothing wrong to any of them, and look at the contempt I've been treated with by the Jelly mods/admins (again) - just because I gave my opinion about all the power they have over the game listings.

When people criticise the pointsfix because they thought I wanted to force it upon their servers (which just shows that people simply don't read anything I say) I go to INCREDIBLE lengths to engage them in debate. I've suggested all sorts of compromises, all of which have been rejected - and eventually TT just said: ok, we'll give you everything you wanted. Compare this to the Jelly staff who've basically said: "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it".

And after this, I'm the bad guy for giving my opinion about their game-listing chokehold in the first place? You need to simply NOT READ THE TOPIC to come to this conclusion.

simpee wrote

haha that actually made me laugh but his point is that spoony shoulve pm'd jelly quietly rather than trying to make jelly look like a big mean dictator whereby the average person would see the thread and think jelly is a douchebag.

That's really rich coming from you, simpee, considering the ABSOLUTELY STAGGERING number of times you've outright LIED to the community to try to make me look bad, and you got caught every single time. By contrast, what I've said about the game listings is true. It IS a dictatorship, it IS a monopoly, and there's nothing wrong with me giving my opinion on that. And I did NOT attack jelly (or even the jelly community) personally to make this point; I didn't need to. People don't need to attack me personally to criticise the pointsfix (but of course, they do). Other people before me have said the same kind of thing.

reckneya wrote

This authority was not given to Jelly by EA or by Westwood or even by Strike-Team. This authority
was not elected by the community either. This authority was seized.


The authority to go to EA and request to make a patch for Renegade was neither given.
This was seized just the same.

Uh no it wasn't seized. EA (y'know, the people in charge of this game) considered TT and decided: yes, these are the people for the job. If anyone else asked, EA would've said no.


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