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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392000 is a reply to message #391537] |
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| a000clown wrote on Sun, 21 June 2009 01:38 |
You can't rush quality work 
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yeah ok its understood but i guess the real question is ,where? cuz i have donbe more on my server alone then well nvm, but still , where is the work ? ,i can already see the replies on this one , but i couldnt give a rats about those replies i still want to know where is this quality work?.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392011 is a reply to message #391532] |
Tue, 23 June 2009 18:30 |
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I'm surprised it's only been a year; it actually felt twice as long, lol.
Is there any chance the team would be able to have some form of a progress report at all? I haven't been one to complain about the time taken for TT, and I really appreciate the work being put into it, but it'd be nice if we had an idea of what has been done, what's in progress, what has yet to be completed, and some sort of estimate of when we can expect completion.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392019 is a reply to message #391532] |
Tue, 23 June 2009 20:42 |
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Oh looky, I'm literally the center of attention ;p
No but seriously although I'm curious and wouldn't mind the team informing us, in the end, whether they tell me it's a week away or a year away changes nothing... I still have to wait for them to finish and would much rather have them using their time to do just that, instead of wasting it on impatient people.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392028 is a reply to message #392026] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 00:13 |
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| BlueThen wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 05:48 |
I trust that the team will take however much time necessary to completely finish TT.
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Yeah sounds about right , then when they get somewhere with it or by the time they do it should be well outdated for all the new cheats lol.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392090 is a reply to message #391532] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 13:30 |
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One of the things Reborn did wrong was giving a few release dates that were not met or with disappointing results (wasn't there a very buggy release in 2003 or something?). This is actually one of the reasons why we don't provide a release estimates: it's too hard to estimate and a faulty one risks a incomplete/buggy release if the deadline is met under pressure, or disappointment if it is delayed.
There's also reasons for not posting many updates. First it takes time, organization and a lot of communication. These are actually causing trouble since we have people from all over the world in different timezones. Then another problem is functionality that is not done yet, and may change depending on how hard it is to finish. For example details about the resource downloader, which changed quite drastically a few times already. I feel it's better to give no info than to provide info about things that may be changed or not supported at all in the final version.
Things that will definitely exist in the final version can be mentioned here, but I think most TT members think they can better spend their time on coding than filtering the info that is unlikely to change and post about it.
If you want a very, very brief overview on progress and what's being worked on:
most smaller things (bugfixes, small features) have been completed (popular saying is 80% of the features take 20% of the time...). The things that are still being worked on now are big features such as anti cheat (I'm not working on this part currently so I don't know the details) and the resource downloader (very basic functionality works currently, which happened to be much harder than I had expected. It still needs a lot of tweaking such as picking the correct files to send and functions to manage this, not to mention error handling if downloads fail and UI stuff such as informing the user that the map is downloading and solving some synchronization issues).
Apart from that there's always newly introduced bugs by our own changes; this is normal in software engineering, but even more because we do not have the source code, and therefore a lot of functions happen to do just a little more or less than you would expect. These wrong expectations are one of the main causes for bugs.
I hope that's enough info for now; I realize I've spent quite some time on this post already (proving my point... ). I also hope that it gives a better understanding on my view on the limited information and updates. Note that it's my view though, I have not discussed this with other TT members (that is, other than in discussions about whether to post more updates or not), they possibly have other views or reasons.
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If you want more info based on stats (which I can easily fetch and post without thinking about whether I can&should post it or not ), TT contains over 300000 lines (I thought a previous count showed 5M actually, not sure why my number today is a lot smaller... either number has to be wrong  ) divided over ~1300 .cpp&.h files, in total about 11MB of pure code. There's a few commits (code changes that are considered stable and shared with all other developers) every day, as an indication, we had 30 commits last week, excluding the work on the resource manager since that is worked on using a different branch since it's not stable enough to be in the main branch atm.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392143 is a reply to message #392125] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 20:34 |
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| BlueThen wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 20:47 |
http://www.statsvn.org/
You should consider it. Gives live updates to the public automatically. Could probably satisfy everyone's thirst for updates.
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Part in red is why we can't do it. Our repository contains classified code (like the anti-cheat for example) which our commit logs do refer to. Automatic updates based on this information could certainly help in breaking the anti-cheat and that is bad.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392152 is a reply to message #391532] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 21:40 |
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Most of the reason you might think little is being done is my own fault. I am supposed to be the one providing those updates but I've been busy failing (also known as growing my own profitable business). Like the other guys said, there are multiple commits of code daily and good communication on the team. You just can't rush good work.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392179 is a reply to message #391532] |
Thu, 25 June 2009 02:05 |
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To give a little idea how much has been done. The TT repo has a current total of over 1900 commits (in reality there are some more because we switched repo twice) and the entire codebase currently comprises 5 million lines of code (that doesn't include comments and white lines obviously).
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392297 is a reply to message #392143] |
Thu, 25 June 2009 17:21 |
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| Saberhawk wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 22:34 |
| BlueThen wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 20:47 |
http://www.statsvn.org/
You should consider it. Gives live updates to the public automatically. Could probably satisfy everyone's thirst for updates.
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Part in red is why we can't do it. Our repository contains classified code (like the anti-cheat for example) which our commit logs do refer to. Automatic updates based on this information could certainly help in breaking the anti-cheat and that is bad.
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Security by obscurity isn't security at all. You have to make the assumption that the bad guys already know what you're trying to implement/have implemented.
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| Re: 1 year to the day [message #392298 is a reply to message #392297] |
Thu, 25 June 2009 17:25 |
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| HTT-Bird wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 20:21 |
| Saberhawk wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 22:34 |
| BlueThen wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 20:47 |
http://www.statsvn.org/
You should consider it. Gives live updates to the public automatically. Could probably satisfy everyone's thirst for updates.
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Part in red is why we can't do it. Our repository contains classified code (like the anti-cheat for example) which our commit logs do refer to. Automatic updates based on this information could certainly help in breaking the anti-cheat and that is bad.
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Security by obscurity isn't security at all. You have to make the assumption that the bad guys already know what you're trying to implement/have implemented.
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We do, but obscurity certainly adds another layer of defense.
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That's alot of progress 
