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Re: Fixing... Points? [message #348485 is a reply to message #348463] Thu, 28 August 2008 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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liquidv2 wrote

i just wanted you to come out and say Hey, I'm siding with myself and doing what I want

What was wrong with the last dozen or so times when I very carefully explained why policy is determined by admins instead of democratically? When has this ever been a secret?

liquidv2 wrote

a simple "Post Yes or No" topic would demonstrate my point that they don't want it; an open debate is not even remotely close to a poll

and you'd prefer a yes or no topic, presumably because it makes you feel better about the fact that every single thing everyone on your side has said about the pointsfix has been wrong, without exception... it beggars belief why you think that's not worth pointing out.

kong009 wrote on Wed, 27 August 2008 21:19

Again, I want to stress that my issue with the pointsfix is I very much worry about MY servers, the ones I moderate, losing players due to a points system we had NOTHING to do with but given NO CHOICE whether to use it or not.

You'd need to talk to Jelly about that, surely?

kong009 wrote on Wed, 27 August 2008 21:19

So you are going to give servers the chance to run without the fix, but that isn't free, is it? Essentially now the choice I have to give to my regulars is "Would you rather have more credits and sacrifice being ranked on a global ladder or would you suffer through limited credits and be globally ranked?"

uh, I seem to recall you already decided that getting credits for no reason was more important than being on TT's ladder. now it seems you want it both ways, at the expense of the ladder's fairness.

no. just no.

kong009 wrote on Wed, 27 August 2008 21:19

Furthermore, please don't tell me, or anybody else for that matter, that you are interested in fixing everything you can possibly fix and then host a poll at the top of this section of the forums asking if you should fix the outside pt-bug or not (or make it mandatory, to be more specific). Clearly that bug has the potential to change the outcome of games as well, but there is some inconsistency there with how you are approaching the pointsfix vs. outside pt-bug, wouldn't you agree?

As we've already explained... the pointsbug makes the game less fair. That's a cast-iron fact, and even most of the anti-pointsfix crowd have acknowledged it in their own way... just look at bllybobb talking about how 'exhilariting' it is when the wrong team wins because they spent more time shooting stuff they don't damage.
(it is quite funny when the next day he rants at a teammate for getting a higher score than him and asks for the points system to be changed because of it...)

Individual points are a crucial part of how ladder points are determined; they always have been. Admittedly I do have some ideas on redressing that a bit but they still will be paramount. No, we are not going to give ladder points to people who did NO DAMAGE just because they shot tanks with a ramjet. If you want that bullshit to go on in your server, go right ahead for all I care. We are not going to give them ladder for it.

The outside-PT bug isn't even remotely comparable.


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