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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296208 is a reply to message #296207] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 09:33   |
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cheesesoda
Messages: 6507 Registered: March 2003 Location: Jackson, Michigan
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warranto wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 11:31 |
cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 09:26 | Does the idiot realize that the irc:// protocol is something completely DIFFERENT from http://? Apparently not. Oh, this is too funny.
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In all fairness, I didn't either the first time I used it.
However, I was smart enough to know when a link was trying to access my IRC program, and when one was going to open a java application.
And what do you know... you require mIRC for the links to work... imagine that.
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Well, if you click a link and it's going to irc://whatever, then you should learn like you did. Clicking on it initially, yes, one wouldn't know. Apparently he's been trying more than once, so one would think it would have sunk in before now.
whoa.
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296218 is a reply to message #296217] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 09:58   |
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R315r4z0r
Messages: 3837 Registered: March 2005 Location: Earth
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I'm not ignored, cause I'm the only one actually helping him...
The only reason he hasn't replied yet is because I told him to download mIRC, and instead of people flaming him for not having it, he hasn't said he did or didn't have it.
[Updated on: Sun, 11 November 2007 09:59] Report message to a moderator
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296222 is a reply to message #296220] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 10:04   |
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R315r4z0r
Messages: 3837 Registered: March 2005 Location: Earth
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He was responding to MY posts, which are basically the same thing that cheesesoda said.
razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 11:24 | Are you trying to connect to IRC via a link from their website?
Did you try connecting to their server manually?
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cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 11:26 | Does the idiot realize that the irc:// protocol is something completely DIFFERENT from http://? Apparently not. Oh, this is too funny.
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bat66wat6 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 11:26 | U go to the "Our IRC" tab then there is a list of links like #Gz0ne4 etc
When i click them or any link on that page it does not work!?
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razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 11:27 | Someone give me a link to their website, I don't know what it is, I want to try connecting.
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cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 11:28 | Well, there's his problem. He's too fucking stupid to realize that he needs an IRC client before he can use the irc:// link on any browser.
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The answers that he gave could of gone to either mine or cheeses' posts.
[Updated on: Sun, 11 November 2007 10:07] Report message to a moderator
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296236 is a reply to message #296234] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 11:35   |
bat66wat6
Messages: 331 Registered: September 2007
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Well i downloaded the mIRC and i managed to get into the Marathon channel and speak with some people....
But i quickly left when i learnt i can be banned from even there!
PCP would not even tell me his personnel opinion on my question
"Honestly please tell me do you think that it was "I" who haxed and not my brother with the same I.P"
All i got out of him was "i do not trust anyone"
LOL, i am not surprised by him saying that, as it seems all and any server host/admin/mod have no opinion and are just like little robots going straight the way to the dot of a big rule book or a "procedure"
Except SR, he's alright
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296244 is a reply to message #296236] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 14:00   |
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Zion
Messages: 2722 Registered: April 2006
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bat66wat6 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 18:35 | Well i downloaded the mIRC and i managed to get into the Marathon channel and speak with some people....
But i quickly left when i learnt i can be banned from even there!
PCP would not even tell me his personnel opinion on my question
"Honestly please tell me do you think that it was "I" who haxed and not my brother with the same I.P"
All i got out of him was "i do not trust anyone"
LOL, i am not surprised by him saying that, as it seems all and any server host/admin/mod have no opinion and are just like little robots going straight the way to the dot of a big rule book or a "procedure"
Except SR, he's alright
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You don't fucking get it do you?
Server administrators and/or moderators have their position because they are fair (to an extent) and care abou their players.
If they let one person back in because s/he said his/her brother cheated and got them banned, they'd have to unban everyone since it's only fair. If they didn't, the pervious banned people would bitch and complain about it, and it would make them seem selfish and picky.
You need to understand. Whatever happens with your IP, on someone elses stuff, that you have no control over is your buisness. If you object to something like that, take it up with the person who has the ability to unban users, IE: admins or mods.
Users here have nothing to do with you, and therefore you don't really need to bring it here in the first place. So, just drop it now. It doesn't need to continue unless you really want to continue getting laughed at.
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296257 is a reply to message #296113] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 15:03   |
Homey
Messages: 1084 Registered: February 2003 Location: Canada
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bat66wat6 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 00:46 |
Homey, u want me to be all flaming! Serious flaming then here's a dose 4 you!
FUCK OFF YOU STUPID LITTLE SNIDE SHIT!-->WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO CRITICISE ME?! GO AND HAVE SOME FUN WITH YA MUM IN BED ASSHOLE!
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This is your main problem. You ask for help in an inpolite manner then you get your answer from some people who see you as an idiot who requires a large amount of help. Yet you still don't listen. The reason the page doesn't load is because you're banned. You were told to stop but since you're so blind you obviously didn't catch that part did you? Either way, keep going you're making me laugh.
P.S. I already had fun with your mom in your bed. LOLOLOL@U
Homey
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296292 is a reply to message #295506] |
Sun, 11 November 2007 22:25   |
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NukeIt15
Messages: 987 Registered: February 2003 Location: Out to lunch
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Allow me to expose the root of the problem...
Quote: | OKAY! RIGHT! HEAR THIS-->
I will remain Rational here for the moment assuming there might have been a cock up or some sort of stupid joke to ammuse a Moderator!
BUT....WHY THE **** HAVE I BEEN BANNED FROM FNFALL'S MARATHON SERVER!?
ALL I KNOW IS AFTER 2 DAYS I COME BACK TO GO ON RENEGADE AND HAVE A FEWW GAMES BUT UPON JOINING I GET THIS IN MY FACE "You where banned by "BigBoy@IRC" for:I love bigheads"
I MEAN FOR GOD SAKES! WHY THE FUCK HAVE I BEEN BANNED! I HAVE NEVER CHEATED OR HAXED IN MY WHOLE LIFE!
I MEAN EVEN "IF" I DID DO YOU REALLY ACTUALLY THINK THAT I WOULD GET MYSELF BANNED FROM MY MOST FAVOURITE SERVER THAT I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ON FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS!?
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME A EXPLANATION HERE!->?
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This is bat's first post. We see a number of errors, omissions, and outright bad choices here. Let's review them one by one to find out where our purple-faced friend went wrong:
1. Ineffective title. A good title would expose the purpose of the thread; all this topic's title tells us is that the author is angry about something.
2. Obviously, the extensive use of capitalization. Caps are OK to use on occasion for emphasis (though italics, underlining, and boldface are much more effective), but typing every word out in capital letters is the internet equivalent of screaming. Screaming at people one doesn't know isn't the most effective way of soliciting their assistance, for reasons that really ought to be obvious.
3. Incorrect assumptions. In this post, bat has clearly assumed that there will be members on the RenForums capable of providing him with a reason for his ban as well as people capable of reversing it. Furthermore, he appears to assume that there is not a very good reason for the ban, which we've seen since is not true. I'm certainly not innocent of making assumptions based on inadequate or faulty information, but that doesn't mean our colorful new member is any less mistaken in assuming things about these here foums and the members who post here.
4. Rude language. All you really have to do to see this one is read the post over again. Add the use of language to the use of capitalization and the whole post comes across pretty much the same way your stereotypical asshole boss would if somebody left a few tacks on his chair and he wanted to know who in the office was responsible. To better illustrate this point, I'll paraphrase the post itself:
Quote: | LISTEN UP! I JUST GOT BANNED, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY! SOMEBODY IN HERE HAD BETTER COME UP WITH SOME ANSWERS RIGHT FUCKING NOW! ONE OF YOU KNOWS SOMETHING, AND YOU'D BETTER START TALKING RIGHT THIS DAMNED MINUTE BEFORE I GET REALLY PISSED OFF!
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^ Not the most effective way to ask for help (at least not if you want to get it).
5. Omission of fact: cheating sibling. The omission of this little detail means that bat already knew the reason for the ban, and just didn't care to let anybody know about it right away. When bat finally mentioned this several posts later, the timing and the *ahem* colorful nature of his previous posts led many, including myself, to believe that "my brother cheated" was being used (as so often it has been before) as a cheap excuse. Detail is important; if you're having a problem it is vital to include as much detail as possible. Not mentioning the cheating brother (much less giving any evidence of his existence, which didn't show up until havoc posted it) causes people to proceed from the assumption that the ban in question was the result of something bat did- which means all subsequent accusations of foul play against him are effectively his own damn fault.
6. General lack of detail. This follows from #5; how is anyone to be of any assistance unless more information is provided? "I got banned and I want to know why" doesn't help. Chat logs, links to the FnFalls forums, screenshots clearing bat of wrongdoing- those things would have been helpful. Without any of that, it is a case of "relatively unknown player's word vs. well known server's admin's word," a scenario which almost never favors the player.
Let's go back and re-write bat's first post- starting with the title, and based on what we know now- and see if we can't make something out of it:
Quote: | Title: Unjust ban, please help!
I tried to log on to the FnFalls Marathon Server after two days of not playing only to be greeted by an unexpected ban. The message I received was this: "You were banned by "BigBoy@IRC" for:I love bigheads"
I have never cheated, so the ban is not fair. I would like to ask if anyone could help me find out why I was banned, and perhaps also help me get the ban lifted so that I can play again.
I think that the ban may have been because of my brother- I know he has cheated before, and we use the same IP but play under different aliases. If he is the reason I am banned, I would like very much to know whether my ban could be lifted, as I do not deserve it, while his remains in place.
I know that this may not be the best place to post this particular problem, but I can't get IRC to work and I have already been banned from the FnFalls forums. I don't know where else to turn! I cannot play on my favorite server which I have been a regular of for three years now, and would really appreciate any help you could give me in sorting this out so that I can get back to playing again. Thanks!
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Isn't that a lot better? It still doesn't have a whole lot of detail, but it is up front about the cheating brother and doesn't come across as an accusation of guilt directed at the entire forum. Posts like these tend to get calm, reasonable, helpful responses because the people who read them don't immediately feel insulted. A few people might still have doubted bat's claims and accused him of cheating, but I dare say that his reception would have been quite a bit warmer and more pleasant. He still wouldn't have gotten what he wanted, but at least he'd have had a chance of becoming a member of the community who people actually want around, rather than a screaming little troll who gets laughed at, flamed, and generally hated by almost everyone who reads his posts.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
[Updated on: Sun, 11 November 2007 22:27] Report message to a moderator
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296302 is a reply to message #295506] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 00:55   |
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NukeIt15
Messages: 987 Registered: February 2003 Location: Out to lunch
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I've been posting on forums for many different gaming communities ranging from FPS to RPG to RTS to Simulators for eight years now, and not once have I ever seen a post like bat's receive a positive response. This is the only forum I have ever been a member of where that sort of flame-bait hostile posting has been tolerated. I can think of several forums on which a first post like that would have earned bat an insta-ban for terms-of-use violations before anybody even would have had a chance to post up any response at all. Honestly, razor, I have no idea where you've come up with the notion that screaming and cursing gets results- folks only listen to that kind of shit when the person screaming and cursing also has access to the banhammer.
On the other hand, polite introductory posts asking nicely for help (rather than demanding it) receive generally positive responses and, even if the problem is never addressed, the new poster is usually welcomed into the community for all their future needs. Yes, I've seen plenty of polite posters flamed for making simple requests, but typically only by members no one really gives much respect to anyway. Only the most patient and tolerant forumites are going to post helpful replies to a raving bloody lunatic.
The internet is not an egalitarian society; if you mean to get any sort of useful results then you need to be on your best behavior when posting on a forum which you aren't a long-time member of. Unless you've contributed something to the community, or unless you've been there long enough without making too much of an ass out of yourself, you won't be doing yourself any favors by screaming at people. Long-time members get laughed at when they make posts sounding like assholes, as long as they don't do it too often. Newer members get flamed and run out of town.
This isn't even a matter of people knowing or not knowing how to help (a fact which screaming would do nothing to change anyway), it's a matter of convincing them that you deserve their help. The bottom line is that veterans don't like to be screamed at by some random newbie who thinks they're hot shit and crackers.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296332 is a reply to message #295506] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 08:16   |
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sadukar09
Messages: 2812 Registered: May 2007 Location: Ottawa,Canada
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^ This guy is probably the smartest guy on this forum. Seriously.
Quote: | [19:16:48] <APBBR> @ryan3k: THE ENFIELD DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS BECAUSE THE BULLETS INSTANTLY HIT THEIR TARGETS LOL
[19:16:52] <APBBR> @ryan3k: CHRONO TECHNOLOGY IN TEH BULLETS
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Quote: | [22:48]<APBBR> @V0LK0V: AOL COMING UR WAI K
[22:48] <APBBR> Host: Quitting due to Westwood Online connection loss.
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Re: FINAL STRAW! [message #296338 is a reply to message #296302] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 09:40   |
bat66wat6
Messages: 331 Registered: September 2007
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Well i know that at the time when i posted/made this topic and the first post i was very very angry...just insanely out of this world furious!
I mean think of it, i have been banned not once but TWICE for these kinds of incidents....first by my little bro hijacking my account when i was outta the room! And now for him simply having the same I.P!
And because of that technical factor not one single Mod/Admin/Host will believe me (Except for SR) and let me back into there server even if i were to post SS's of my little bro 4 proof he exists and if i gave them all of his account names.
When something like that happens you can't really expect me to approach in a happy uplifting mannor "politely asking"
AS NukeIt said, even he in the 8 years he's been in on Forums he has seen people who have approached using the "polite, calm" approach have been flamed!
And when i "flamed" all those people throughout the thread i admit i may have been short tempered and even arrogant at points but some would not listen to what i have to say, some completely ignored me and a few where stupid and ignorant enough to post pictures of fish or just quote what i had already said or just plainlt put nothing except "..." Or just reply because there i ignored them and whant it show up on my Notifications board to piss me off!
All i really want to say now is...what a waste of time, all that effort! Struggling to just plainly #1 proove my bro exists (Accomplished) #2 Get only his nicknames banned #3 for me to be able to forget this ordeal and continue playing happily with no troubles on Renegade as it was before!
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