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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183319 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 11:33   |
Freak
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who gives a fuck if they didnt meet a deadline? just because all of you sit at your computers all day collecting acne doesnt mean the reborn team has too also. not only that, but do you read other peoples posts? they have already told you that this is a month old...
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183325 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:08 |
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MATH WARNING OMG
Suppose each thing they need in-game takes an entire day to do. I know, I know, it only takes a few hours at most. But pretend it's a day per unit and building. So to get a character into the game with his weapon, it'll take one full day.
Now, with 1095 days, and assuming you can only work one fifth of them, that's 219 chances.
Let's pretend now that somebody like my then-11 year old brother knows how to edit unit statistics once somebody else has them in game! Reborn has/had/hax at least 3 people who can probably do this at any given point.
So now let's suppose it takes 1/3 a day, to get something actually THERE. And it takes 2/3 of a day to change a couple numbers on it and some paths. However, you can have one person work on either of the two, or if you have REAL teamwork, you can split it into 3 third-day tasks! We'll follow the reality and realize that at most we're only going to get two people who are reliable enough to do this properly.
So now you only need half as many chances effectively, or rather you HAVE twice as many half-days as you had days. So, 438 chances to get stuff actually in there. Actually, since MAYBE another guy or two could swap in to do the second half of the procedure, you're going to end up with even more. I won't bring in more math to confuse you at this point.
How many things do you suppose Reborn has to add in there?
How long does it honestly take Renardin to slap together the same 3 (from what I've been shown; anybody still have a copy of that "Learn to texture like Reborn" thing?) base textures and then scratch them up and MS Paint it around?
How long do you suppose it REALLY takes to rig each character, considering we can get done maybe.. I dunno, five a day?
How long do you think it REALLY takes to edit some statistics for the units, considering a reckless abandon and disregard for both balance and truth-to-original? Meaning you can just throw out some ballpark values. "Mammoth huh. Let's put 50. Titan? Let's put a 20 here" is the idea of that.
Come on. How many chances do they really, really need? Ffs.
I was told back in January that it'd be out in March, and then I was told in somewhere around May that it'd be out for SURE in August, and then I was told... well who cares because it was all bullshit and apparently there's a lot less done than it'd seem. I don't think you need me to go into how many times it was "for sure" out the previous years. I don't know how reliable their "Dev Blog" thing is in terms of statistics because based on it I'd expect a whole fuckton more actually, I dunno, done since it was listed as done.
By the way if you want me to try to dig up quotes for when it'll be "surely out" I can try, no promises since I had a hard drive crash and scrapped a lot of the files I didn't need/feel like recovering.
By the way if you want to know some of the "other side" you might want to read my post over at the other forum. Basically a lot of stuff was misconstrued to appear differently than it really was, and (intentionally? accidentally?) put a negative spin on the team.
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| Freak wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 14:03 |
i asked renardin what the wolverine is really like or if it actually moonwalks and he showd me this: http://www.cncreborn.iconique.net/wolverineanimation.wmv
not only that but you can obviously see where your shooting
appears ack couldnt install a script  whos the liar now bitch
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Proof he didn't do that AFTER we pointed out it was fucked, please. The whole point was to point out it was fucked to force a change. The scripts were in AK's posession, by the way.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183330 is a reply to message #183322] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:18 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 13:02 |
So, Freak, you're a fanboy of a "mod team" that doesn't care about you at all. They lie to you, they set up expectations that they can't live up to... All the while, you suck on their teat and expect more.
Are you a masochist by any chance?
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as if you care about your community. the only thing you care about is humiliating Reborn, in fact at the moment it seems that you care about bashing reborn more than you care about working on your mod, at least, thats how it seems judging by how much progress you guys have made this year
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183331 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:18 |
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So the Reborn team can't even create its own test map.
Just what the hell have they been doing for the past three years?
Quit double posting, retard.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183332 is a reply to message #183331] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:23 |
Freak
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| Hydra wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 13:18 |
So the Reborn team can't even create its own test map.
Just what the hell have they been doing for the past three years?
Quit double posting, retard.
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they started on the new mod in april 2004, so that makes it not even 2 years in developement now, retard
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183333 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:26 |
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Unsurprisingly, that was the same month they "promised" a "new" release to make up for the train wreck (that's putting it mildly) that was the December 2003 release.
Does anyone else find his statement really comical?
"THEY HAVEN'T HAD 3 YEARS; THEY'VE HAD 2! SO HA!"
That still doesn't answer the question; what the hell have they been doing this whole entire time? And why do you still follow them around like the rest of the Reborn sheeple?
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183337 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:33 |
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What about spend the time for all these posts to work on Renalert? I mean, you lied to us, you said "update today", then soon instead of "today" and still nothing except a message where you tell us 'no clue, forum is down'. You lied to us, we waited a news update. Any progress on Renalert? No a gun and a plane and shotty renders for a whole year... Nice. And yet, you still act as if Reborns the one lying about deadlines
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I work on A Path Beyond, as does the rest of my team (Even though I should be sitting over across the room with Sarah and spending time with her), quite a bit. I can work on something, like this Ore Refinery, while I write out insults to people like you and the Reborn team.
I don't recall anyone saying there would be an update today. Even if we did say that, it's pretty hard to get an update announced without the website being operational at the moment. When everything is finally transferred to our new host, then you'll see more progress that's happened even after we left PC&C. There's a huge difference between saying we'd update and being unable to do so, you idiot.
We never set any deadlines like they did over the past two years. The only deadline I've given right now is a patch that, due to recent circumstances, has been delayed for another few days to probably end up getting released shortly after the new year.
I'm surprised you would question my dedication to my community. I dislike certain individuals in it, but I support everyone equally and provide my time, money, and effort to sustain the community as a whole. There's a reason why we have more people than Reborn does, maybe you'll figure it out if you think hard enough.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183340 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:47 |
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lol have more ppl than reborn does? maybe cuz youve had 1 site for this entire time, and reborn has been switching around
ok, i agree that you are pretty dedicated to your community, but renardin is too, just acknowledge it, we all know he is
with the update: with chronojams news announcement "No Clue" on the homepage of your old site, it said "yea i dont know wats happening...EDIT: Update Later Today" (or something along those lines) so many people (including myself, yes i like your mod, just not your attitude) were expecting an update, but when i went on to the site later that day it said EDIT: update soon, (once again, those arent the excact words)
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183341 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:49 |
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*falls asleep* i ..... now ........ declare......... this ........... forum............ retired ......... o sod it.......................................................... ...
Humvees own you!
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183342 is a reply to message #183327] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 12:51 |
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| Hydra wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 14:13 |
| SEAL wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 13:19 |
...Aircraftkiller released copyrighted work.
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You can't post anymore.
Aside from the fact that they can't legally copyright a friggin' modification, Aircraftkiller isn't taking the Reborn team's work and claiming it as his own (who would?). He wouldn't be breaking any copyright law by publishing their work for them and giving them full credit.
If anything, he's doing the Reborn team a favor by actually publishing some sort of a release of the mod, something that the Reborn team has not been able to do for years.
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It is copyrighted. Be more informed next time, maybe? I never said he claimed it as his own. The majority of the material within the leak was copyrighted by the Reborn team and was released without any kind of permission from Reborn. I don't understand why people are thinking of this situation as a gray area that could go either way.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183350 is a reply to message #183346] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 13:03 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 13:54 |
We've switched sites several times, probably more than Reburned has... Yet we manage to have an IRC channel that has an average of 25 people daily, while Reborn tends to have 7 to 9. We have an active forum userbase and almost every C&C related website watches us, or has our download up.
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same with reborn...on the previous forum there was 929 members, go ahead, clear YOUR members and see how many come back, my bet is around the same as people currently registered on the reborn forums (about 530 i think) maybe a little more, but not by much. reborns forums are active also, so basically you wasted your time posting that part, the only thing that had any meaning was the IRC part.
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I won't admit anything good about Renardin when it comes to community management, since he tends to make people leave it pretty quickly.
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its not community manegement im talking about, its how much he cares for the community
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As for that "lie" I assure you that if we had a way to get into the forum at that point and post an update on the status of the forum's repair, we certainly would have. Unfortunately, the only times it was accessible for posting were sporadic at best. It's pretty hard to post when all you see is a white page with no text, images, or hyperlink URLs anywhere.
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it wasnt posted, it was on the main page, and was up there for about 3 or 4 days before your site was deleted, you could have updated anytime between when that was posted and your sites deletion, but you didnt
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183356 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 13:13 |
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I see no reason to clear my forum since we have more active users than Reborn does. Now, this is where I'll agree about a pissing contest, and I don't really care anymore so I'm not going to continue discussing this particular matter.
However, about Retardin's community care: Being able to manage your community, respond to them, and show them that you're more concerned with them is an integral part to keeping them happy. Having happy community members is what makes a forum live. This is why you only have 15,000 posts while we've got over 100,000.
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it wasnt posted, it was on the main page, and was up there for about 3 or 4 days before your site was deleted, you could have updated anytime between when that was posted and your sites deletion, but you didnt
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Here's a clue: Anything that gets posted on the main page is there because of the forum. The forum and the main page are integrated together, so any news posts in the Site News forum go directly on the main page. Chronojam had an instant where the forum worked properly, so he was able to post that update.
We didn't update because it probably slipped our mind while we were busy working on something. Lord knows people can't always post status reports every single time, we figure you're intelligent enough to know that once the forum is up again; you wouldn't absolutely need an update telling you that the forum is, indeed, running once more. 
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183359 is a reply to message #183356] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 13:19 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 14:13 |
I see no reason to clear my forum since we have more active users than Reborn does. Now, this is where I'll agree about a pissing contest, and I don't really care anymore so I'm not going to continue discussing this particular matter.
However, about Retardin's community care: Being able to manage your community, respond to them, and show them that you're more concerned with them is an integral part to keeping them happy. Having happy community members is what makes a forum live. This is why you only have 15,000 posts while we've got over 100,000.
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once again, the reborn forums have been around for a short time compared to your forums. but watever they are forums, it doesnt really matter, many people are going to play both mods, thats wat matters
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Here's a clue: Anything that gets posted on the main page is there because of the forum. The forum and the main page are integrated together, so any news posts in the Site News forum go directly on the main page. Chronojam had an instant where the forum worked properly, so he was able to post that update.
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actually, when he posted that i was able to get onto the forums fine
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We didn't update because it probably slipped our mind while we were busy working on something. Lord knows people can't always post status reports every single time, we figure you're intelligent enough to know that once the forum is up again; you wouldn't absolutely need an update telling you that the forum is, indeed, running once more.
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ok, fine, thats reasonable, and understandable that it slipped your mind. except for the fact that the update im talking about wasnt about the forum, chrono said that the forums were back online in the main part of the post, but the part that i am talking about was assumed by me and many others to be an update concerning a mod, ie a model, texture, etc
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183367 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 13:32 |
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Actually, that's not entirely right; the forum still wasn't working "properly" at that point. I went in and entered each section into the database tables to basically emulate making a new post. ^^
There's a couple reasons why the update that was coming didn't yet come (although the change already took place). The forums indeed are linked to the main page, which luckily tends to have more stability than the main forum itself. The Site News section is the one that gets read from.
We actually have made *real progress* with the mod, if you'd been reading the news. I know Reborn would make you think that progress is some new renders or yet another new texture for the buggy or something (hence the sparse alpha version).
But when I said "Here are the changes that have been made" and "Here are the maps that are being worked on and tested" and "We just tested these changes and they're great" and "Here are some more changes to look for when you get the patch" and "We have some new game logic worked in" it's because we actually did. We weren't lying. There's more to a mod than just glitzy graphics, as Reborn proved this week (alas they proved it the wrong way!).
Seriously, when I reported that we had a testing session or commented that we were going to change the armor or damage of the light tank, it's because we played with it in an 8 player game and determined that it needed changing, and then made the changes.
I don't report on every little backend thing I do to the site, or when I clean up the code to remove my often-profane comments, or every time we have a test to try out a new concept, or the fact that the spy will now have his name appear in red, etc. etc. I kinda like to save things up sometimes so I'm not just spamming the Site News section, and I don't report birthdays to the front page. We do that in the off-topic, for the active users, instead of just the front page for the staff.
Anyways, we have real, tangible progress that I've tried to hint at or keep you updated on. My plan was to actually hint at a lot of stuff but not let you know for sure until you played it. We have work on the game done, not just on the glitz. Aircraftkiller's been working on new buildings, we're going to eventually start putting in higher-detailed vehicles for those of you who love the graphics side of things... but we actually have gameplay-affecting changes taking place. WE HAVE BALANS OMG WTF! Yes, balance.
Suffice to say we've got a bunch of weapons being worked on or complete in various stages that we haven't shown, some vehicles, structure work, and some really neat code; and a special little surprise with respect to how our data is stored. But a lot of this you won't see or hear about until the release.
Oh, the non-surprise is that we're moving to n00bstories probably tonight.
Edit: By the way, we DID clear the users who were inactive and I did kill off a lot of shit posts and purge a lot of uploads. And the users who used the forum (hence users, not just registrants like Reborn largely has) came back. If you want I can post the member count statistics for the past couple months, it makes a nifty graph I can show you. But that'll have to wait for a while. And a bunch of the active people at Reborn are from our forums originally; although a lot of them got sick of things and stopped showing up.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183370 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 13:45 |
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well it apears that you guys are the biggests fans of reborn...you cant stop thinking about it. must be quite a community if even the enemies are interested
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