| BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170466] |
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| defaulrt wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 22:43 |
Here's the thing, if Crimson would have thought of the idea of snagging FDS serials she would have just like many others would have.
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Why would she have done that, when the existing system of requesting and receiving serials was working just fine? If someone needed one, they could go to the westwood page and get one. Now that Adad stole them all, nobody can get them anymore. This thread is about asking Adad to turn some of them over to us to make available to the community again, I'm not sure where you are trying to take it.
| defaulrt wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 22:43 |
Its Adad's choice of who gets them being he gathered them.
People do ask him for them and he shares them.
He dosn't slap anything on it so they don't have to obey by any rules to get them.
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Since he has them all, yes it's his choice, and we are giving him the choice/option of giving some of them to us so that we can make them easily available to everyone. I don't know what these rules you are talking about that we would "slap on"...the only thing mentioned was that we would have safeguards in place so that another person couldn't exploit like he did and take all of the serials.
| defaulrt wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 22:43 |
BHS "has proven themselves in the past" what have they proven?
Get some programers together make a program thats suppose to prevent cheaters but fails many times. Then treat everyone else like crap because they are not *coders*
BHS just looks more like power pushers to me.
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We have proven that we are here to support the community. BHS pays over $500 per month just for the servers that run and maintain the RenGuard network, not to mention all of the mental effort, skill, and collaboration we do working on projects and applications for the community. Power pushers? We are doing all of this for you and the rest of the community. Sheesh. It's pretty laughable that you support what Adad did and are fine with it, yet everything we do for you and everyone else who plays Renegade, we supposedly do for "power".  I really don't understand why certain people have always said that we are "trying to own Renegade". All we are trying to do is help and improve things.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170678 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 10:40  |
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BHS has done alot more good to this community than anyone else. I personally thank them for RenGuard, as if it didnt exist, me and alot of other people would be banned from alot of servers.
Untill i see one of you people who bitch about RenGuard do something better, your whining means ziltch.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170701 is a reply to message #170678] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 12:41 |
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| greb wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 13:40 |
BHS has done alot more good to this community than anyone else. I personally thank them for RenGuard, as if it didnt exist, me and alot of other people would be banned from alot of servers.
Untill i see one of you people who bitch about RenGuard do something better, your whining means ziltch.
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actualy nightma found a sucure system in the ren fds...
i hate crimson, i hate lardass.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170727 is a reply to message #170701] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 14:37 |
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| ben5015se wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 14:41 |
| greb wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 13:40 |
BHS has done alot more good to this community than anyone else. I personally thank them for RenGuard, as if it didnt exist, me and alot of other people would be banned from alot of servers.
Untill i see one of you people who bitch about RenGuard do something better, your whining means ziltch.
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actualy nightma found a sucure system in the ren fds...
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hush my boy!
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170867 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 20:59 |
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hmm, most of you know me, some of you dont, ive played this game ever since it came out, i thank crimson and all them for creating RenGuard, but i am disgusted of what it has become. A good idea has been turned into a n00b hideout. I know what many of you will say to my next comment. "get renguard its not that hard". but to tell you the truth, renguard has crapped up my computer and ren several times, has gone on freak updating sprees that never stopped until i removed it, and it lags my ren, so please dont even say it. but i cant count the number of times i have walked into a server that has the command !force renguard and have been forced to have it after getting 1 HS. ive also walked in with a name iHAXuDONT, and names like it and get forced renguard 5 seconds after i join. also all the n00bs who say RenGuard is not able to be bypassed, its a load of BS, of course it can. as a long time player of ren and mod/admin of several servers over my time, i have caught and banned dozens of people who had renguard on and running. that is what disgusts me, not the program itself, but what the program has made available for cheaters. i dont know the amount of tests i have tried to perform that the first response from the cheater is "i have renguard" it does not fool me, but it fools the lesser experienced. i remember waiting forever for this program to come out. thought it was a great idea, and really wanted to see renegade once again cheat free. unfortunatly it has not come to that, and i dare to say (not happily) RenGuard has done more harm then good to the renegade community.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #170868 is a reply to message #170469] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:00 |
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| Xtrm2Matt wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 04:25 |
I'm not trying to start something here, but no-one asked you to create RenGuard and spend $500 a month on servers. It's your own decision at the end of the day.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170871 is a reply to message #170867] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:05 |
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| snipgod wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 20:59 |
RenGuard has done more harm then good to the renegade community.
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It's that sort of uneducated opinion that disgusts me. Because it means that I know for a fact you have banned dozens of great players who did their best to prove they weren't cheating. We in BHS watch the community 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When an exploit comes out, we find it and fix it. IF there is anyone out there actively cheating with RenGuard, the number of people doing so numbers no higher than like 10.
All you do is see someone who's 'too good' and you assume he's cheating and consequently bypassing RG. I hate that so many server owners have to be so ignorant.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170877 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:13 |
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| snipgod wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 22:59 |
hmm, most of you know me, some of you dont, ive played this game ever since it came out, i thank crimson and all them for creating RenGuard, but i am disgusted of what it has become. A good idea has been turned into a n00b hideout. I know what many of you will say to my next comment. "get renguard its not that hard". but to tell you the truth, renguard has crapped up my computer and ren several times, has gone on freak updating sprees that never stopped until i removed it, and it lags my ren, so please dont even say it. but i cant count the number of times i have walked into a server that has the command !force renguard and have been forced to have it after getting 1 HS. ive also walked in with a name iHAXuDONT, and names like it and get forced renguard 5 seconds after i join. also all the n00bs who say RenGuard is not able to be bypassed, its a load of BS, of course it can. as a long time player of ren and mod/admin of several servers over my time, i have caught and banned dozens of people who had renguard on and running. that is what disgusts me, not the program itself, but what the program has made available for cheaters. i dont know the amount of tests i have tried to perform that the first response from the cheater is "i have renguard" it does not fool me, but it fools the lesser experienced. i remember waiting forever for this program to come out. thought it was a great idea, and really wanted to see renegade once again cheat free. unfortunatly it has not come to that, and i dare to say (not happily) RenGuard has done more harm then good to the renegade community.
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Run two servers. One with RenGuard and one without. After three months, make an average of two things:
1) How many players each server has
2) How many cheaters, balanced against how many unique players (obviously a frequently full server could have more cheaters than a frequently empty server)
To do this, you'll first need to secure a CPU and bandwidth. Since Renegade's FDS is a CPU whore, you'll need 1 CPU per server. It is also a bandwidth whore, so a phat pipe is needed too. There's some $$$.
Now you'll need to get a Renegade FDS in order for it to run. Whoops, those are all snagged up by a tard who took them all! Oh, and he's not even using them all! How could he? I don't see thousands of Renegade servers, do you?! Right, so you'll need to ask him kindly for one of those. Better hope you're not on his bad side.
Okay. Now that you have all of that set up, let's wait three months.
(three months later)
Okay. I'm sure you'll note that there's not many players on your servers. One, there's already a number of other servers to choose from. So why should they play on yours? Not only that, but those other servers are also defaulted at the top of the WOL list, since they have those fucking A000000xx names, so players have to either sort the list by something other than host account names (game name and ping are common ... hope your ping is good and your name is fancy!) or specifically look for your server. That aside, let's count the number of cheaters. I'd be willing to bet that the server with RenGuard has a significantly smaller cheater/player ratio than the server without RenGuard. Sure, there might have been a few with RenGuard running that were cheating... but all in all, I'd say RenGuard is doing its purpose.
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Whoa, couple of new posts while I was writing mine, so I added a quote... :\
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170878 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:15 |
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trust me, i have been a mod ever since the i played ren, i have battled cheats ever since they were found. and those good players ur talking about? they are the ones that say they have renguard, the renguard network says they have it, yet when i tell them to shoot me in chest to check for bones, they either leave, or i get killed. i am a fair mod, i do not bad right away, i usually have 2 or 3 testers with me and if i get killed i give them 1 more chance (not that its nessicary, how can you not understand "shoot me in the chest"). your program has given me, def, and other great mods who try and battle cheats more grief then the cheaters themselves.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170881 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:19 |
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Also, if you're a great mod, then you wouldn't ban on sight unless it was obvious (eg, they just killed ten tanks with a minigunner). Thus, you'd be doing the "shoot me in chest" check whether or not they're running RenGuard. With that in mind, I fail to see how it has caused any significant increase in your duties.
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170883 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:21 |
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if you read up i stated "i am not fooled by it unlike the lesser experienced mods" if i think they are in need of a test i ask for it, if they do not comply, and/or leave the server before finishing the test. i ban. i show no mercy towards cheaters. i have banned many good friends who i thought where good but i caught cheating
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| Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion [message #170884 is a reply to message #170466] |
Sat, 10 September 2005 21:22 |
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Show me an aimbot that improves our k/d ratio, then we'll talk. The most popular aimbot is OGC hook and it actually lowers your accuracy and is therefore bullshit and not worth our time to counter.
We have NEVER claimed that RenGuard would definitely positively stop 100% of cheaters. It does in fact stop ALL publically-released cheats. Anyone who thinks RenGuard is not helping obviously has only started playing Renegade AFTER RG came out, because they don't remember what it was like when you couldn't even play for 10 minutes without some final Renegade user coming through and changing the course of the game.
I'm the bawss.
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