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			| C&C opinion [message #161950] | Mon, 27 June 2005 22:33  |  
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	| I was always a big C&C fan. because i know i was obsessed with every C&C game when they first came out. From the Original to Red Alert 1 to Tiberian Sun to Red Alert 2 and Renegade. I dont know about Generals, EA makes games alittle diffrently. Besides Renegade what was your favorite C&C game and why? I think mine would have been the first C&C. I guess the reason why would have been because C&C was new and i was only 9 years old and it was all so fascinating to me.What do you guys think?
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161953 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 00:06   |  
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					|  idebo Messages: 390
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	| I think mine is Red Alert 1, maybe that's because it was made by "The Westwood crew", I mean, everybody knew Westwood after they created C&C 95. That made Red Alert more exciting. |  
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161959 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 00:36   |  
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					|  JPNOD Messages: 807
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	| 1.Renegade 2.Tiberian Sun
 3. ..... the rest of the cnc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Generals. ( if you call it a cnc)
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161964 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 03:00   |  
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	| The first one was redalert on the pc. It was the first pc game I had ever played and the first rts - I think. I loved the story, it wasn't the same happy formulaic bullshit that got rammed in to every game of that time. 
 I liked the why it played and so I spent many a long hour late at night at 3 or 4 in the morning finishing, what counted as a day back then, playing this odd game.
 
 I still play it every now and again.
 
 One Last Time
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161965 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 04:02   |  
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	| "There is God, There is Kane and then: There is Seth." 
 That's the best c&c for me. It started all and the history was so great. (Tiberian Dawn)
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161968 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 04:49   |  
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	| Red Alert 1. Was my first CnC (though I bought all others afterwards) and it was great. I played that game for days and days and really did everything with it that could be done, I think... 
 All CnC were great! (generals is NOT CnC u @xx$$^^@)
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161984 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 07:36   |  
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	| I never really enjoyed sun. Every five danm second theres a super weapon launch. Just as you replace the building, they destroy it. 
 
 Renegade is my favorite now, but Red Alert (sometimes with + retaliation) was so great to me. I would goto school and draw out base formations etc. Unlike renegade the bots actually did offensive.
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #161987 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 07:51   |  
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			|  Re: C&C opinion [message #162035 is a reply to message #161950] | Tue, 28 June 2005 18:57   |  
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				|  |  terminator 101 Messages: 822
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	| C&C Tiberian dawn was my first C&C. It was great game, I played it over and over and I could not stop. I found it to be very fun, even when I had to exploit the AI so that I would win more easily, because I was not good (and old) enough to be good at it. After some years I realized that the wall exploit(you could build walls and AI would not destroy them) made game too easy(it was very easy already). But I still loved the game. 
 RA1 was much better and harder. When I played it for PSX, it was  VERY hard, because it was not possible to save during missions. RA1 was also the only game that I ever played using the link cable (cable that allowed to connect 2 PSX together). I liked the game, and I still do, even if it has many bugs/exploits(infantry was almost useless) and some almost useless units (thief, spy, mine layer). I sometimes think the game was a bit unbalanced
 
 Tiberian Sun was not as good game. Maybe because I did not know that the game speed was very slow by default, and in order to make it more fun, I had to increase speed. After I did that, the game was more fun than ever, and I loved the great animations between the missions.
 
 Red Alert 2 was fun from the start, even when the single player missions were way too easy.
 
 Renegade was THE most fun of all and I played it at least 1 hour every day for almost 2 years. I just could not stop. The game would till be fun, but the lagg kept increasing and increasing until it was no longer fun to play. Then, when I fixed it(improved my FPS(Frames Per Second)), renguard came and my average FPS dropped again, but This time I was unable to fix it, so after while, I quit renegade for long time.
 
 C&C Generals was quite good game, but it ran VERY slow on my computer(while on my friends computer, the game was so fast that it was hard to play), so I could not enjoy it. Too bad it was so unbalanced.
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #162063 is a reply to message #162035] | Tue, 28 June 2005 23:20   |  
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	| | Terminator 101 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2005 21:57 |  | some almost useless units (thief, spy, mine layer).
 
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 Thief steals money from Silos and Refineries. Spy, yes, useless sometimes. Tells you what they are building in that structure, Example: Spy + Weapons Factory = Current Vehicle Production Info = Better Counteroffensive Capabilities. Mine Layer is good for small maps, or big maps with small areas to reach bases at. Ive killed a good 200 units with the AI/AT Mines. MY favorite is Renegade, but my first, i believe, was Red Alert + Aftermath. It could have been Tiberian Sun + Firestorm, i dont remember.
 
 
  
  
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #162088 is a reply to message #162063] | Wed, 29 June 2005 06:58   |  
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				|  |  terminator 101 Messages: 822
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 | Terminator 101 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2005 21:57 |  | some almost useless units (thief, spy, mine layer).
 
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 Thief steals money from Silos and Refineries.
 
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 Yes but it is usually not worth the effort, especially against AI players(who almost never have anything in their Silos).
 
 | Quote: |  | Mine Layer is good for small maps, or big maps with small areas to reach bases at. Ive killed a good 200 units with the AI/AT Mines.
 
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 Yes but it takes lots of micro management. Since RA1 is fast game, and deployment of mine fields takes too long, it is again not worth the effort.
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #162128 is a reply to message #161950] | Wed, 29 June 2005 13:43   |  
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	| | Quote: |  | Yes but it is usually not worth the effort, especially against AI players(who almost never have anything in their Silos).
 
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 Not in their silos...try observing their base and sending in spies to their refineries right after the harvesters deliver. Even an AI can't blow through all its newfound cash instantly.
 
 My first C&C was the N64 version of TD. I loved the extra missions that came with it...but alas, I forgot how to work the controls and haven't bothered ever since I got the PC version and Covert Ops. TD is still one of my favorite RTS games.
 
 RA2 was fun for a while and I still have the occasional match with my friends around town, but I gave up online play long ago. RA2's biggest problem was that it had too many powerful units and not enough lesser ones. Neither side, for example, had a basic vehicle like the Hummers, Wolverines, and Buggies of previous titles; every vehicle could be base-crushingly, vehicle-stompingly, infantry-squishingly powerful or had some special ability that negated its disadvantages. The game ended up only being fun at its hardest difficulty setting.
 
 Actually, RTS games in general have begun to lose my interest, at least for online play. Not enough variation in tactics, or a few tactics are too powerful to be easily beaten by any other tactic, or it is too easy to just bulldoze the opposition with an early rush. The main reason I only play in private games against my friends is that we do such amusingly creative things to each other that would likely never work against an expert player.
 
 Still, C&C got me into gaming. I dabbled around with my NES and N64 before that, but I wasn't really obsessed with games until C&C got hold of me. I'm still pissed off at EA for deep-sixing the series as we knew it. Generals is not worthy of its brand name.
 
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			| Re: C&C opinion [message #162144 is a reply to message #161950] | Wed, 29 June 2005 18:46   |  
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				|  |  cowmisfit Messages: 2035
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	| Tib Dawn - I know it sounds dumb, but the game changed a lot in my life. It changed my wants in life completly away from the usuall stuff you dream about at 6 and 7 years old, but to Video Game Designing, Coding, Making my own websites, all of this was new to me , I didn't even have a computer of my own yet, i went to my grandma's hours on end when ever i could to play That game. God I had so much fun just sitting around with my freinds when we were young bucks seeing how big of an army we could make  OMG LOOK I MADE 10 BILLION AIRPLANES LETS GO SEE IF WE CAN FINALLY BEAT THAT ONE WAR FACTORY  If it wasn't for Tiberian Dawn who knows how different the classes and such i take at school and my life in general would be. 
 Tib Sun - If Tib Dawn didn't change my life for sure, Tib Sun sealed the deal. I still didn't have a computer at its release and I only got to play mabey 2 hours in the morning 2 hours at night when grandparents were home, and I still kicked unbelivabnle ass at it, I was number 11 in the world and 7 in the US. I was also in the clan [B#E] Beaver Eaters, If any of you played it for any length of time, you know who they were
   
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