| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100066] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 06:39   |
KIRBY098
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| Sir Phoenixx |
But solely because the Akula doesn't, they're supposedly ugly, completely disregarding the fact that they're not based off of the real Akula but off of the Red Alert missile sub's rocket launchers.
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No, they are ugly for different reasons.
It doesn't have to look like a real Akula, but for pete's sake man, think about this.
Why design a a sleek submarine to glide through the water, and then stick two large launchers on the outside of the vehicle to create huge drag?
Real or not, it's a serious design flaw for a mod that prides itself on detail. I do understand why you can't do it with vert launchers, but this is what he is getting at.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100067] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 06:42 |
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And you basing the missile sub off of something doesn't just equate into it looking good.
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And you saying it's ugly in no way equates to it looking ugly. Just because you think rocket launchers on subs is stupid, doesn't make these stupid. I think the AK47 is one of the ugliest and crappiest guns in the world, but that opinion doesn't apply to someone's model of it.
Plus, submarines DID have deck mounted rocket launchers... http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm
You've also made it perfectly clear in your posts that you're solely basing your opinion off of what real submarines have. You said you want the rocket launchers removed, and replaced with vertical silos, it isn't just a coincidence that real ballistic missile submarines happen to have vertical silos.
If I had made the submarine completely from scratch, you'd still be here complaining about how the rocket launchers are stupid.
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Real or not, it's a serious design flaw for a mod that prides itself on detail.
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How is it a design flaw? They're there because the Red Alert missile sub had them, having vertical launchers instead of external rocket pods would be a design flaw.
30 ton, 50 feet tall walking tanks are a "serious design flaw", but I don't you two over in Reborn's threads/forum attacking them because they have the Titan, Wolverine, Mammoth MK II, etc. in their mod.
The ONLY thing that matters is that the referrences show rocket launchers on the submarine.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100070] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 06:47 |
KIRBY098
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Your assumptions don't equate with the reality of the situation here.
It's a design flaw for BASIC subarine design. And I didn't say it was stupid. It is a part of the game, so you had to make it work the way the engine would let you. I understand that.
Personally, I would have designed something that was more hydrodynamic.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100083] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 07:09 |
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Aright, Renx, whatever, but I just have one last thing to say:
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30 ton, 50 feet tall walking tanks are a "serious design flaw", but I don't you two over in Reborn's threads/forum attacking them because they have the Titan, Wolverine, Mammoth MK II, etc. in their mod.
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I don't attack Reborn's models because they don't look retarded, unlike the rocket pods on that sub.
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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100092] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 07:26 |
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SuperFlyingEngi, you're the only person here who thinks they're stupid/retarded.
Right, a 50 some foot high tank walking on two legs being able to easily fire a 120mm cannon, which is powerful enough to lift the side of a 60 ton tank several inches off of the ground when it's fired, while moving isn't retarded.
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It is a part of the game, so you had to make it work the way the engine would let you.
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This has nothing to do with engine limitations.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100093] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 07:27 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Yeah...I should have...my personal bet as to why they made the sub look like that is either:
A) They couldn't make a good firing animation for a vertical launch tube
B) They had no knowledge of anything that goes underwater.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100099] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 07:35 |
PiMuRho
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
Yeah...I should have...my personal bet as to why they made the sub look like that is either:
A) They couldn't make a good firing animation for a vertical launch tube
B) They had no knowledge of anything that goes underwater.
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It's mainly because Westwood tended to reuse assets a lot, especially when it came to expansion packs. Take the existing art, modify it slightly and call it a new unit.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100100] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 07:38 |
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| Sir Phoenixx |
SuperFlyingEngi, you're the only person here who thinks they're stupid/retarded.
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Yippee Hurray!
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Right, a 50 some foot high tank walking on two legs being able to easily fire a 120mm cannon, which is powerful enough to lift the side of a 60 ton tank several inches off of the ground when it's fired, while moving isn't retarded.
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It doesn't look retarded, so no, it is not retarded. Unlike the crapboard boxes on the missile sub.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100163] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 10:16 |
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Aircraftkiller
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| KIRBY098 |
Your assumptions don't equate with the reality of the situation here.
It's a design flaw for BASIC subarine design. And I didn't say it was stupid. It is a part of the game, so you had to make it work the way the engine would let you. I understand that.
Personally, I would have designed something that was more hydrodynamic.
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You lack the insight necessary to see why the Soviets would have missiles mounted on the exterior.
You do realize it took a long time before we could launch ballistic missiles from underwater? It's entirely conceivable that since the Soviet Union made missile-armed submarines first, that they don't have the technology refined to be able to launch them from underwater or from tubes inside of the submarine.
It's irrelevant as to whether or not something would cause drag on the submarine. They can be designed with underwater dynamics in mind, much like how that big sail is tapered in the front to allow water to flow over it much like an aircraft wing.
They developed the Missile Submarine first, apparently without the technology to launch them from underwater. That's an accepted C&C fact and that's how Red Alert worked. If you don't like it, that sounds like a personal problem to me.
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It's mainly because Westwood tended to reuse assets a lot, especially when it came to expansion packs. Take the existing art, modify it slightly and call it a new unit.
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Fortunately that's similar to how reality works, since most nations will reuse an existing weapons platform to add something new to it. See M1 Abrams and the A1\A2 modifications, or the M2 Bradley that fires Stinger missiles instead of TOW-2B rockets.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100167] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 10:33 |
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I don't see why being true to Red Alert is so important in this one case, but it wasn't when you guys added Officers and Snipers to the character list. That's a much bigger departure than rather or not the missle submarine fires from external mounted launchers or vertical tubes. You guys made the right decision though, and it made the mod better. It is often times better to deviate from the source material, especially when the source material has rocket launchers welded onto a submarine. It looks strange, and it there is no way it could ever function.
Even if you don't want to add a vertical firing system, at least consider having the rocket launchers mounted directly onto the submarine. There's no reason for them to be connected through those arms.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100170] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 10:38 |
KIRBY098
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You lack the insight necessary to see why the Soviets would have missiles mounted on the exterior.
You do realize it took a long time before we could launch ballistic missiles from underwater? It's entirely conceivable that since the Soviet Union made missile-armed submarines first, that they don't have the technology refined to be able to launch them from underwater or from tubes inside of the submarine.
It's irrelevant as to whether or not something would cause drag on the submarine. They can be designed with underwater dynamics in mind, much like how that big sail is tapered in the front to allow water to flow over it much like an aircraft wing.
They developed the Missile Submarine first, apparently without the technology to launch them from underwater. That's an accepted C&C fact and that's how Red Alert worked. If you don't like it, that sounds like a personal problem to me.
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It's mainly because Westwood tended to reuse assets a lot, especially when it came to expansion packs. Take the existing art, modify it slightly and call it a new unit.
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Fortunately that's similar to how reality works, since most nations will reuse an existing weapons platform to add something new to it. See M1 Abrams and the A1\A2 modifications, or the M2 Bradley that fires Stinger missiles instead of TOW-2B rockets.
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I lack the insight eh?
Seeing as I was IN the Navy and studied Soviet Missile platforms before you were a teenager, I won't take your word on this.
When did you become a weapons expert? Was it in War college, or are you overlapping a fictional and unrealistic video game onto real life weapons platforms with an unqualified opinion?
I am guessing the latter, considering I DO have certifications in this matter.
I can accept the fact that C&C game designers failed to account for details in sub design, and the RA team has to stick with design parameters they used. What I cannot accept is your team trying to convince us this is a feasible submarine design, and should be accepted as such.
For someone who claims to be so smart, you consistently prove yourself wrong defending hopeless points.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100176] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 10:50 |
KIRBY098
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| HELLBILLY DELUXE |
It's like in Red Alert. What more do you want???
Damn close this thread and don't even think about editing the sub, dev team 
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Hey new guy, shut up and butt out.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100183] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 11:14 |
KIRBY098
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I wasn't trying to 'win' a thing. Your teen male ego assumed that. Then again it assumes a lot of things in error.
I am consistently amused by what you find relevant in topics you create, and I expect I will be in the near future.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100193] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 12:08 |
KIRBY098
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I'm not a teenager. Normally when someone argues, like you've persistently shown, they're trying to win what they're arguing for. If not, you're either bored or you just want to prove a point... Which is still trying to win something.
Now I notice you find this funny, once you can't respond to me you start pulling out the ad hominem crap. Are you going to provide some kind of intellectual challenge or should I ignore what you write from now on?
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Nice and vague. I really like the air of holier than thou.
Too bad I don't buy it.
And I couldn't help but notice you always respond. Hmmmm, trying to win a point, or just bored?
And since we're into legalism today I will retract teenage for twenty year old. A large difference, I'm sure, to your underdeveloped self confidence.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100195] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 12:12 |
KIRBY098
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Hooray for you.
Since you like to nitpick these little details:
Stop refering to "listening to my whining."
You aren't listening to anything. You are reading it.
Annoying isn't it?
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