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Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #346693 is a reply to message #346646]

Thu, 14 August 2008 08:49

Chuck Norris
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Perhaps the debate should be kept in the other thread, but I'll summarize my vote with a list of reasons, which was for fixing this.

-It's pretty clearly a bug, and was not meant to be.
-Not everyone knows about this despite how common it seems to us here. I'd bet over half to possibly 2/3 of the community does not know of this. It's not fair that some people don't know when it's an exploit. You shouldn't have to know the dark secrets, so to say, to play.
-It destroys balance. This is the biggest reason it needs fixed. A SHB costs $1400. They also take time to get to said location, and are basically effectively not working towards their team effort while nuking. Well, they ARE overall, but they stay hidden and do not actively fight or defend, meaning the opposing team has one less person against them at said time. On top of that, nukes aren't unstoppable, and while the Barracks specifically is an easier target, it's harder to get into via infantry. It's easier to defend against infantry so it's weaker to nukes. That's the tradeoff that building has for having no rear doors. This bug gives it the advantage of having no rear doors but takes away it's disadvantage.
-With outside PT access, SBHs are more useless. Nod has to rely on Stealth as a brute fight alone (if both sides are equal) won't work, and this hurts Nod a bit. The fact that alot of people call using the SBH a "n00bs tactic" clearly shows how useless it is now.

Reasons I can see for it staying, but don't think any are good enough.
-They're already in place and everyone is used to them. True, but they destroy balance, and this is flawed thinking since they were never meant to come to be in place to begin with. Sure, it sucks having to change, but to those who want to whine, be willing to adapt your strategy and play rather than wanting to rely on an exploit that changes the balance and intended play.
-Some nukes are hard to stop. This is true, but so are other strategies in given scenarios, and I think the game still balances out overall. It's all of these small things together that make Renegade so balanced, and with this bug, the SBH and part of Nod's stealth strategy are hindered.

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		Fix outside PTs? By: mac on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:31
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Caveman on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:34
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:34
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: mac on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:39
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:45
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: mac on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:50
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: TD on Thu, 14 August 2008 01:53
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: EvilWhiteDragon on Thu, 14 August 2008 03:58
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: gkl21 on Thu, 14 August 2008 06:08
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Reaver11 on Thu, 14 August 2008 04:16
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: MrCookies on Thu, 14 August 2008 05:26
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Kanezor on Thu, 14 August 2008 05:30
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: archerman on Thu, 11 September 2008 11:26
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: s0meSkunk on Thu, 11 September 2008 11:53
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Herr Surth on Thu, 14 August 2008 05:34
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Thu, 14 August 2008 05:58
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: candy on Thu, 14 August 2008 06:08
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: EvilWhiteDragon on Thu, 14 August 2008 06:20
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: =HT=T-Bird on Thu, 14 August 2008 07:32
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Chuck Norris on Thu, 14 August 2008 08:49
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Hitman on Thu, 14 August 2008 08:51
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: trooprm02 on Thu, 14 August 2008 09:48
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Chuck Norris on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:20
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Herr Surth on Thu, 14 August 2008 09:51
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: StealthEye on Thu, 14 August 2008 10:22
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:04
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: nikki6ixx on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:10
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Rocky on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:23
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Lone0001 on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:26
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: sadukar09 on Thu, 14 August 2008 13:18
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:40
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Tanya A. on Thu, 14 August 2008 14:19
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Craziac on Thu, 14 August 2008 12:25
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Thu, 14 August 2008 13:40
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: CarrierII on Thu, 14 August 2008 13:41
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Caveman on Thu, 14 August 2008 14:11
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: KobraOps on Thu, 14 August 2008 15:06
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Homey on Thu, 14 August 2008 15:07
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Thu, 14 August 2008 15:12
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Craziac on Thu, 14 August 2008 15:18
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Tanya A. on Thu, 14 August 2008 16:00
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Craziac on Fri, 15 August 2008 01:30
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: gkl21 on Thu, 14 August 2008 17:18
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: cmatt42 on Thu, 14 August 2008 21:06
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Herr Surth on Fri, 15 August 2008 04:54
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Caveman on Fri, 15 August 2008 05:01
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Wiener on Fri, 15 August 2008 05:56
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: blly on Fri, 15 August 2008 08:14
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Fri, 15 August 2008 08:39
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: blly on Fri, 15 August 2008 09:26
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: _SSnipe_ on Fri, 15 August 2008 12:55
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Caveman on Fri, 15 August 2008 13:04
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: KobraOps on Fri, 15 August 2008 16:14
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: sadukar09 on Fri, 15 August 2008 16:18
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: saberhawk on Fri, 15 August 2008 16:24
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Fri, 15 August 2008 16:48
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Sat, 16 August 2008 06:51
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: KobraOps on Sat, 16 August 2008 11:38
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: StealthEye on Fri, 15 August 2008 16:55
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: genetix on Fri, 15 August 2008 22:14
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: sadukar09 on Sat, 16 August 2008 05:00
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: cmatt42 on Sat, 16 August 2008 09:49
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: xpontius on Thu, 28 August 2008 02:20
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Nightma12 on Sat, 16 August 2008 02:12
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Sat, 16 August 2008 13:50
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: trooprm02 on Sat, 16 August 2008 16:03
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: TruYuri on Sat, 16 August 2008 16:13
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Chuck Norris on Sat, 16 August 2008 16:15
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: TD on Sat, 16 August 2008 17:32
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: _SSnipe_ on Sat, 16 August 2008 20:25
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Herr Surth on Sun, 17 August 2008 03:10
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: wassabii on Sun, 17 August 2008 03:26
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Crimson on Sun, 17 August 2008 03:48
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Sun, 17 August 2008 04:34
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: trooprm02 on Sun, 17 August 2008 11:12
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Sun, 17 August 2008 11:17
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: gkl21 on Sun, 17 August 2008 11:25
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Herr Surth on Sun, 17 August 2008 11:28
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Sun, 17 August 2008 12:09
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Herr Surth on Sun, 17 August 2008 12:14
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: sadukar09 on Sun, 17 August 2008 12:59
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: _SSnipe_ on Sun, 17 August 2008 13:29
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: trooprm02 on Sun, 17 August 2008 13:24
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: trooprm02 on Mon, 18 August 2008 09:04
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Sun, 17 August 2008 13:30
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Reaver11 on Mon, 18 August 2008 03:12
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: saberhawk on Mon, 18 August 2008 05:53
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 18 August 2008 03:15
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: =HT=T-Bird on Mon, 18 August 2008 07:16
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Mon, 18 August 2008 07:18
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Mon, 18 August 2008 07:34
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Goztow on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:34
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: _SSnipe_ on Mon, 18 August 2008 20:08
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: genetix on Mon, 18 August 2008 19:46
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: saberhawk on Mon, 18 August 2008 20:23
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: karmai on Mon, 18 August 2008 21:57
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: TD on Tue, 19 August 2008 03:27
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Stonekirby on Tue, 19 August 2008 02:32
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: gkl21 on Tue, 19 August 2008 05:04
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Stonekirby on Tue, 19 August 2008 05:49
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: trooprm02 on Tue, 19 August 2008 10:12
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: _SSnipe_ on Tue, 19 August 2008 14:58
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Starbuzzz on Wed, 27 August 2008 15:59
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: xpontius on Thu, 28 August 2008 02:00
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Crimson on Sat, 06 September 2008 17:42
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: Genesis2001 on Mon, 08 September 2008 22:49
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: JohnDoe on Wed, 10 September 2008 16:17
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		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: JohnDoe on Thu, 11 September 2008 04:45
		Re: Fix outside PTs? By: XCorupt69 on Wed, 10 September 2008 17:51
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