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United Renegade Community [message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 17:25 Go to next message
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United Renegade Community[ 43 votes ]
1. Yes 14 / 33%
2. No 25 / 58%
3. Maybe 4 / 9%

United C&C Renegade Community

I've lately noticed that the number of online players has dropped to 600 or so. With all the extra servers popping up on the Advanced Server Listings and the decrease in players I've found myself thinking that I'd like to see a united community arise. If you've played Red Alert: A Path Beyond (the Renegade conversion) you'd notice that there's only one main server that everyone goes to and plays on. I find this convenient because you don't have to look through about 100 servers and you don't lag when the list loads. You just simply select the game, enter, and play. Most of the players you meet on the server are nice individuals and there aren't many rules so you don't have to worry about being banned the instant you walk in the server.

There are alot of great communities out there right now, but with the lack of people it's come to my attention that these great communities should get together and create on large C&C Renegade community and each have a hand in building the best community we can build. Could you imagine what the website would look like? Could you imagine the databases? The possibilities would be endless if everyone got together to build one last large community.

What would you have to lose? - Ultimate authority as a Founder/Owner.
What would you have to gain? - Read further...
You'd still have power/permissions but you'd work together in a group. Everyone would take turns doing stuff. For modifications each month people would select a map to modify and the next month they'd get to choose another map and so forth. For website work everyone with a good knowledge of what they're doing could participate in building it and making it more sophisticated than any other site. For forums all founders could have their own forum, a division, for their select people and there would be a main forum where everyone could communicate. As for servers, you'd save more money because you wouldn't need to have so many servers on the Advanced Server Listings. In one large community people that donate would help maintain the servers and might even help give the community as a whole more money for more work on the website/whatever else needing a tune up.

So in all, the community would be united, everyone would know more people and have more connections, costs would be lower, servers would be filled, modifications would change on a monthly basis, news would spread quicker, progress on projects might excel.

It's up to you though, I can't do anything alone, it has to be a community effort or none at all. If you're with me then please contact me letting me know and you'll be added to a list of supporters.

Remember, the only people losing power would be founders but they'd still technically be in charge of their division and people and they could still run their own server for tests, etc. Founders would have power in the new united community but they'd be more of a team then a solo. I'm not asking that founders/owners shutdown their communities, I'm asking that they come together to create a united community and if they have second thoughts they can just return to their old community.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271025 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's an interesting idea, and I've thought about it before but I don't think the mod teams would be up for it.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271032 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271037 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I knew who the heck you were, maybe... but no.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271038 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The mods/admins would be terrible, with the ultimate power. No, very bad idea.
Re: United Renegade Community [message #271042 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think it's a bad idea, it's a great idea. I just don't think you can get server communities and mods to work together like that. People want their own servers and communities (to be the all-fearsome admin!), even if it means smaller communities.

But I do think that servers that don't get any traffic should just join the big communities.


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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271044 is a reply to message #271042] Thu, 05 July 2007 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Thu, 05 July 2007 19:08]But I do think that servers that don't get any traffic should just join the big communities.


Yes, I would strongly be in favor of and support that. I would gladly absorb a community into n00bstories and have a compromise about power distribution and whatnot.


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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271057 is a reply to message #271044] Thu, 05 July 2007 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Thu, 05 July 2007 21:15

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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Thu, 05 July 2007 19:08]But I do think that servers that don't get any traffic should just join the big communities.


Yes, I would strongly be in favor of and support that. I would gladly absorb a community into n00bstories and have a compromise about power distribution and whatnot.

Well, doesn't sound too bad on compromising. Normally people are like you can join but there's no compromise of power or anything, it's always been a lose/lose situation for me. Sad
Re: United Renegade Community [message #271059 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There has to be some discussions about who gets power on the accepting community's part... like if one of your moderators is a sworn enemy or someone who has caused problems in the past. I basically absorbed a large percentage of The Pits but it wasn't a deliberate or negotiated thing. I would do it again in order to get some of the smaller servers off the list.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271064 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Would you let people do modifications for a server or for a few maps?
Re: United Renegade Community [message #271070 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It depends on the modification... I have certain things I am not flexible on, and other things that I am.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271071 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey, do you want to "absorb" my community of err... one person as long as i get some sweet sweet power. Big Ups
To be honest, taking servers of the list is hardly needed, imo. The top servers and the actual communitys get the players. The servers up there that don't get players are just wasting someones retarded money. Unless they are home hosted, and then it's just taking up resources on the computer. Players don't bat an eye to the non-community servers and go elsewhere. Well, a few with one person in it get some players for about 10 mins or so.
Re: United Renegade Community [message #271072 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 20:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not too keen on this idea. Not only is the community incapable of agreeing with one another, this idea stifles growth rather than promote it. It's a lot like politics. How? Easy...

Why does APB work? There's not a whole lot of users. Easier to control a larger body like that. I'm not so sure it'll be as easy to control ~600 users. Plus, we're talking about giving half-wit community founders a say in this. I'm not so keen on having some of these people with power.

I'm against it.


Re: United Renegade Community [message #271080 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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'Ok' to Crimson.

To everyone else that voted 'No' you do bring up some valid points. But for an idea to work you need people to communicate and work together, we can always adjust the plans anyways. I was the only one that gave this consideration and made a post on it so it could use some fixes in the overall plan but that's what everyone is here for.
Re: United Renegade Community [message #271083 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its a nice idea, but no.

We have these forums for the greater Community to use, so I don't see the point of having an other website and forum, lol.

Also, not many of us really get on with one other

On the server issue, alot of our servers are different, MP is very modded, we can rebuild our buildings in our servers in yours you cant, just to point out a difference, lol.

Also, maybe the smaller community's wouldn't be so small if the servers at the top of the listings wasn't fucking a00 whores.

I wouldnt mind seeing some of the main server communitys to have a forum added here which links to their forums or website, that would be pretty cool and this would promote them aswell make their communitys larger.

I dont see this as a problem, after all, this will always be the main official forum, but thing about this forum, it doesnt really promote anything, if it promotes anything, its always n00bstories.com



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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271084 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it'd be nice if some of the communities worked together, but not to the extent to have an all encompassing community controlled by incompetent (and some competent) community leaders.

Re: United Renegade Community [message #271085 is a reply to message #271083] Thu, 05 July 2007 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271086 is a reply to message #271023] Thu, 05 July 2007 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm sorry. This idea seems very well intentioned but is akin to laying out plans for a trainwreck into a hospital.

You see, there are the little things that everyone disagrees on. That's why there are so many servers. Some want total power over their server, some want certain game rules, some want certain game mods, etc. If someone wants to use their own money to rent an empty server, let them.

Your reasoning with the Official APB server isn't very good; it's not that everyone is unified and have only the one server to rule them all, it's as cheesesoda said; the APB community isn't so large that it really needs any more servers than there are now, not to mention no one other than oxi (MP-Gaming head) and Coolair (stopped hosting the official server before oxi filled in with his own server) has been interested in hosting a dedicated APB server. That's also not to mention how discouraged a potential server owner would be seeing the Official APB server is with its fancy stats and whatnot.

So, it's a good idea, but it's not going to happen one way or the other.


Re: United Renegade Community [message #271107 is a reply to message #271083] Fri, 06 July 2007 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 05 July 2007 21:37

I dont see this as a problem, after all, this will always be the main official forum, but thing about this forum, it doesnt really promote anything, if it promotes anything, its always n00bstories.com


I don't believe I have ever used these forums to unfairly promote my own community. If I mention it, it's in the same context as anyone else could mention their own site/community. It was very important to me and everyone from the start that these forums are NOT related except that they are both led by the same person. There is also very little staff crossover.

To be honest, I firmly believe that without a00, this game would actually be a lot less played and popular.


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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271110 is a reply to message #271023] Fri, 06 July 2007 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Getting rid of the server list could be solved by well a long process but i always thought it would be nice to see a full conversion mod that just takes all the normal renegade assets and like patches some things up like b2b etc, then re release it as a full conversion mod and viola we have a new community to start with lol.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271111 is a reply to message #271023] Fri, 06 July 2007 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our community is small enough without segregating it further.

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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271118 is a reply to message #271023] Fri, 06 July 2007 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Excellent idea in theory, but in practise it would never work out. There are too many ego's and points of view and opinions/idea's involved.

Say I teamed up with n00bstories for example:

Do I get access to all the servers? I sure as hell should. But say it doesn't work out... I steal the host nick name and become a jerk about it. I release all the custom binaries on the server and and general jack-ass.

Say we agree on what's kick/ban worthy, thats all good. Now say someone happens to join the server and they kinda break a rule, it's a grey area one. I ban them, but Crimson says she wants to unban them because they are her friend and it wasnt a big deal anyway. Now the dude sends me a pm saying "hahaha, told you i would get unbanned". Unless we came to a comprimise we would fall out pretty soon.

Say I want to stick an obby gun spawner and god crates and loads of other un-balancing things to the map, Crimson is like "noes, that shit is gay". A compromise would have to be found.

What forums close down and redirect to the other one? Or do we start a new forum and redirect botht he old sites? Logically you would have to say keep n00bstories because it is more established and has more members. However this would been seen more as a takeover rather then a merger, and it might hurt my super admin ego.

Say I have a mod on my server but he is actually banned from the n00bstories server for cheating three years ago. What the fuck do we do about him?


These are just a few of the problems that would and could arise, it's such a nice idea in theory, but due to conflicts of interest, ego's, different opinions, different ideas and circumstance it would never ever work. Which is a shame.



However...

I am all for communities sharing information and source code. I would love to see more working together and sharing from allot of people, instead of whoring.



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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271120 is a reply to message #271023] Fri, 06 July 2007 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our community (The KOSs2.org) is always open to team up with other communities sharing the same values. Unfortunately, there's not that many that satisfy our high conditions.

Allthough you have a point, it won't happen because many servers are unique in their own way. What could happen is say you take off all servers that are empty over 90 % of the time and the list will already clear up a lot.


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Re: United Renegade Community [message #271135 is a reply to message #271023] Fri, 06 July 2007 03:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nice idea, but no.

RA2:AR and APB are fine where we are, at Bluehell Productions. We have a florishing community and if people want to follow what we do they usually know where the website is.

Sharing source code within a group that will moderate it's use is a good idea.


Re: United Renegade Community [message #271223 is a reply to message #271023] Fri, 06 July 2007 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Well, I see your guys' points and they are valid. So I guess this idea won't pull through after all sadly. But I plan on sharing my server side mod and AI Bot list (as I've released the first version). I'll be redoing the new AI Bots soon to make them less tough (due to too many complaints about them being 'way too' strong XD).

Thank you all for your valid points and voting. I'd say that this idea will never fly.
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