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Ban the Burqa[ 32 votes ]
1. Yes 23 / 72%
2. No 8 / 25%
3. I have no opion because I am a muppet 1 / 3%

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/05/phyllis-chesler-america-ban-burqa-musl im-president-obama-france-switzerland/#content

Europe is starting to ban the burqa, should we as Americans continue the practice or should we let our 1st amend take precedent, or would you consider it perfectly in our rights to ban a religious covering that conveniently allows people to hide their faces and possibly let men/women that want to do us harm to go places without having to show their faces? Or should we let them keep it and isolate themselves from the rest of us despite the fact that it is the burqa itself that isolates and helps promotes race hatred in people that hate Arabs/Mid easterners? Or should they be allowed to wear it because it is their religon?

What do you think.

and yes, I read fox news, but not usually the opinions.


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Whats a burqa? yes i read the link and i dont get a single cent on what it is.

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Yes, but for reasons entirely unrelated to supposed Muslim extremism or security issues.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but most of what's on Fox News is opinion peices.


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Phase-transport wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 17:20

Whats a burqa? yes i read the link and i dont get a single cent on what it is.


Wikipedia?

I don't see what purpose it serves, bar the repression of women. I know many (western) women who can acheive modesty without wearing something like that...


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CarrierII wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 17:40

Phase-transport wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 17:20

Whats a burqa? yes i read the link and i dont get a single cent on what it is.


Wikipedia?

I don't see what purpose it serves, bar the repression of women. I know many (western) women who can acheive modesty without wearing something like that...

o.0 thats teh last time i wanna know about burqa


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Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430195 is a reply to message #430193] Sun, 06 June 2010 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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start off by protecting kids from religious upbringing (how long is it gonna take for people to realise that kids need to be protected from religion), and then no woman would ever come to the conclusion that she ought to wear a burqa at all. you'll solve an absolutely enormous number of other problems as well.

you'll still have muslim men trying to force women to wear it. this proposition would be more popular if it was phrased better. it isn't attempting to impose a ban on clothing, it's attempting to lift a ban on clothing. so no, we shouldn't put up with women being forced to wear the burqa.


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Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430196 is a reply to message #430193] Sun, 06 June 2010 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430200 is a reply to message #430195] Sun, 06 June 2010 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Spoony wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 12:15

start off by protecting kids from religious upbringing (how long is it gonna take for people to realise that kids need to be protected from religion), and then no woman would ever come to the conclusion that she ought to wear a burqa at all. you'll solve an absolutely enormous number of other problems as well.

you'll still have muslim men trying to force women to wear it. this proposition would be more popular if it was phrased better. it isn't attempting to impose a ban on clothing, it's attempting to lift a ban on clothing. so no, we shouldn't put up with women being forced to wear the burqa.

Agreed.

Banning the burqa won't do shit to help with the muslim problem in Europe, though. Besides, I don't see any banning of wearing crosses (unless this is already banned in Europe?)...

Instead of wasting time trying to ban the burqa, I'd rather see time focused on not giving muslims any special rights in Europe altogether. And no, wearing a burqa isn't a "special right", since technically anyone can wear it. Of course, if any muslims were to oppose anyone that's NOT muslim wearing it, THEN the government should get involved and say "hey no fuck you".


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Just ban Muslims.


Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430214 is a reply to message #430213] Sun, 06 June 2010 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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reborn wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 15:23

Just ban Muslims.

You're on to something there.


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cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 15:27

reborn wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 15:23

Just ban Muslims.

You're on to something there.

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Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430228 is a reply to message #430168] Sun, 06 June 2010 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Enforcing the ban would take a lot of extra work and bureaucracy.

Instead, families, and especially men that promote its use should be shown the door, once and for all.


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Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430233 is a reply to message #430168] Sun, 06 June 2010 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would not particularly ban the burqa, but anything that covers the whole face besides things for safety such as helmets.

Also note that there are more than just Americans around the world and that the same goes for the USA. A better question would be: Do you want to ban the burqa?


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reborn wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 22:23

Just ban Muslims.

Please add all other religions to that list as well then...


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Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430248 is a reply to message #430168] Sun, 06 June 2010 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is no right decision here. If you want to keep it 'American' then you can't ban it but at the same time you can't support it.

The Constitution has countless flaws in it that lead to many different paradoxes such as this.

The Constitution permits religious freedom but contradicts that same freedom if the religion overrides other rights granted in the Bill of Rights.

Just how people have the right to peacefully protest something but banning of anything that isn't directly imposing on other people's rights is unconstitutional. (Banning anything considered 'obscene' that isn't directly restricting the rights of someone else should be and is unconstitutional, yet it happens on almost a daily basis.)

The way the bill of rights is set up and how the structure and ideals of the country are supposed to work, it is downright impossible for America to function the way it was designed to. There are way too many 'damned if you do; damned if you don't' paradoxes in the government and the Constitution that make the running of this country completely and utterly impossible. It's amazing that we survived this long in such chaos.

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R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 18:32

There is no right decision here. If you want to keep it 'American' then you can't ban it but at the same time you can't support it.


This means nothing. You managed to write this entire paragraph without actually saying anything. >:[


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Spoony wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 12:15

start off by protecting kids from religious upbringing (how long is it gonna take for people to realise that kids need to be protected from religion), and then no woman would ever come to the conclusion that she ought to wear a burqa at all. you'll solve an absolutely enormous number of other problems as well.

you'll still have muslim men trying to force women to wear it. this proposition would be more popular if it was phrased better. it isn't attempting to impose a ban on clothing, it's attempting to lift a ban on clothing. so no, we shouldn't put up with women being forced to wear the burqa.


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The first steps have been made in the legal process to ban "every outfit that makes someone completely unidentifiable".

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Goztow wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 07:56

The first steps have been made in the legal process to ban "every outfit that makes someone completely unidentifiable".


There goes the full-size stormtrooper outfits, then. Sad Those are good for fancy dress parties.


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CarrierII wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 11:34

Goztow wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 07:56

The first steps have been made in the legal process to ban "every outfit that makes someone completely unidentifiable".


There goes the full-size stormtrooper outfits, then. Sad Those are good for fancy dress parties.


Still it's a good non-discriminative measure to ban things like Burqa's. Also, it would of course only apply to public area's, so inside convention centers you could still run around in your burqastormtrooper costume.
Also, this rule could be posed as safety measure and I guess it would not interfere with the US constitution as such. If it does then I'm unsure why Bush was able to torture people and pass more ridiculous lawls.


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snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 01:53

Spoony wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 12:15

start off by protecting kids from religious upbringing (how long is it gonna take for people to realise that kids need to be protected from religion)

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i've said it plenty of times before and i've never heard a good counter-argument.

in fact i don't think i've even heard a bad counter-argument.


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Just ban the fucking thing. Let the Muslims living in the West come out in a furious rage. Let their true colour be seen. Vile, savage sand monkies praising an absent God, a convoluted book of holy scribblings and a child molester.

Spoony wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 12:15

start off by protecting kids from religious upbringing (how long is it gonna take for people to realise that kids need to be protected from religion), and then no woman would ever come to the conclusion that she ought to wear a burqa at all. you'll solve an absolutely enormous number of other problems as well.

you'll still have muslim men trying to force women to wear it. this proposition would be more popular if it was phrased better. it isn't attempting to impose a ban on clothing, it's attempting to lift a ban on clothing. so no, we shouldn't put up with women being forced to wear the burqa.


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Dover wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 00:36

R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 18:32

There is no right decision here. If you want to keep it 'American' then you can't ban it but at the same time you can't support it.


This means nothing. You managed to write this entire paragraph without actually saying anything. >:[

Exactly. That's my point. There is no meaning to most of the rights in the Constitution because of paradoxes like the one you quoted me saying.
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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 09:26

Dover wrote on Mon, 07 June 2010 00:36

R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 06 June 2010 18:32

There is no right decision here. If you want to keep it 'American' then you can't ban it but at the same time you can't support it.


This means nothing. You managed to write this entire paragraph without actually saying anything. >:[

Exactly. That's my point. There is no meaning to most of the rights in the Constitution because of paradoxes like the one you quoted me saying.


I was specifically refering to the phrase "keep it American". That phrase means nothing.


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