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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 15 March 2010 13:28 |
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gee, maybe my original post?
Why the fuck do you come into a thread that's about something moderately interesting (and, obviously, controversial), COMPLETELY shit it up, then CONTINUE to shit it up?
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422424 is a reply to message #421547] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 13:03 |
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I replied to your idiotic first post throughout the course of this thread, it's not my problem you're too dense to realize this. The only reason this thread got replies is because it was a controversial shock thread, not because it was intellectually interesting.
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422435 is a reply to message #422424] |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 15 March 2010 14:03 |
I replied to your idiotic first post throughout the course of this thread, it's not my problem you're too dense to realize this. The only reason this thread got replies is because it was a controversial shock thread, not because it was intellectually interesting.
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you're right, what a fool I am to have not realized such well thought out replies and arguments such as:
| JohnDoe wrote on Sun, 07 March 2010 04:15 |
It's obviously lame redneck racism...I wouldn't want to be associated with such an idiot, either.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 01:46 |
fuckin aspie
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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 15:40 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 02:26 |
I'm starting to believe black people when they whine about most whites still being closet racists...either that or there are more than a few people with Asperger's posting ITT.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 16:41 |
We get it. You're autistic, not racist.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 02:40 |
As an American living in Germany I'm clearly sensible enough to African-American history in order to be aware of the blatant lowbrow racism, as any educated person should be. If you can't see how comparing the Harvard-educated wife of the first black president in US history visually to a monkey, which just so happens be a racial slur used by people who lynched blacks not too long ago, is racist, then I can only feel pity.
You obviously can only belong to four types of people: 1. Extremely sheltered and of low intelligence living in all-white region like North Dakota, which makes you ignorant to anything related to African-Americans; 2. A closet racist; 3. A troll; 4. Autistic.
From what I can tell, you're either a troll or a closet racist (which is why I didn't bother with a serious reply), but this Reborn guy is definitely not a troll, which makes this a lot more interesting.
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ah, here we go- after 4 replies, you replied with something SOMEWHAT interesting, and made a semi-serious reply to another post:
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 02:56 |
If African-Americans were enslaved, raped and lyched en masse in your country because of the color of their skin, then you better inconveniently "forward think" before comparing a person of said group to a racist term due to their appearance - especially if it's a person who just made history. What's wrong with you? This level of insensitivity definitely beyond naive.
To answer the Jewish question: It depends on the picture. If a religious or cultural symbol like the Star of David is involved, then it's definitely racist. If a non-jewish accomplice is pictured as well, then it most likely isn't. Everything in between will have Jews complaining, but must not be inherently racist. A racist would i.e. make the pig's features look as "Jewish as possible".
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...then when your obviously infallible logic is challenged, you resort to:
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 08:38 |
I for one welcome our new Sperglord Reborn.
So say we all!
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then some shit about BSG, I don't know and won't bother posting it
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 01:45 |
Zeratul&Alsamething -> Examples for categories 1&2.
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"Why can't I call them colored folks nigg3rs? They even use the word themselves!"
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Sorry, but what? That's not even what's being said, and is obviously just another shitpost.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
| JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 08:13 |
It's an ignorant word to begin with, but there's a difference saying it when your ancestors enslaved, raped and lynched the group you're saying it to. Using the equality argument to justify your racism is pretty pathetic.
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you're basically repeating what you said before- except that your points had already been argued, and you ignore them.
I think I'll just stop there, but you haven't made any real points past the middle few. However, since I'm nice, I'll re-argue it (despite Reborn having done this already).
| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 02:40 |
As an American living in Germany I'm clearly sensible enough to African-American history in order to be aware of the blatant lowbrow racism, as any educated person should be.
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So, the guy claims it's political humor, and it pretty much is, but it's "lowbrow racism" because of previously (as in, ages old) discriminatory remarks? This is just proving my point- people jump right fucking to the race card. You're only perpetuating racism in general by doing this, you know.
| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 02:40 |
If you can't see how comparing the Harvard-educated wife of the first black president in US history visually to a monkey, which just so happens be a racial slur used by people who lynched blacks not too long ago, is racist, then I can only feel pity.
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Firstly, it WAS long ago. Generally speaking, shit that happened 20-30 years ago should hardly come into consideration as much as it does for "racist" words. But whatever, I guess everyone has their own definition for how long ago "awhile ago" was.
Secondly, yes, it... is a coincidence, dipshit. People have compared political figures and the people around them to monkeys since fucking Abraham Lincoln.
If we just DISREGARDED those stupid racist remarks altogether as being bad, it wouldn't be a problem at ALL. But no, people can't understand that by getting upset, they're making the whole racism problem worse. Plus, it makes genuinely racist people more pissed off. Which doesn't help either...
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 02:56 |
If African-Americans were enslaved, raped and lyched en masse in your country because of the color of their skin, then you better inconveniently "forward think" before comparing a person of said group to a racist term due to their appearance - especially if it's a person who just made history. What's wrong with you? This level of insensitivity definitely beyond naive.
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Irish were enslaved, treated like SHIT when they came here to America, and were more than likely raped just as much. The Dutch have dealt with shit. And I dare you to tell me that French don't get their fair share of shit from Americans. Like I've said- EVERY RACE HAS PUT UP WITH SHIT. Africans aren't the only ones.
"BUT THEY GOT RAPED AND LYNCHED AND THAT WAS BAD". Yes, it was, but African-Americans just get the most attention when it comes to that shit. That doesn't make it any less terrible- but many, MANY other counts of racism, TO THIS DAY, go unnoticed.
And, there's no other way to put this, and I guarantee you'll jump down my throat on this, but really... most African-Americans are the ones who make the biggest deal about "racism" these days. But nearly every race is discriminated just as much as them these days (which is to say, not nearly as much of a deal these days), with their own set of racial slurs that are said just as much.
Really, African-Americans are essentially to American racism what the Jews were to WWII. It was terrible, it should have never happened, but they get the most attention when it comes to people explaining the atrocities... despite there being other groups of people being discriminated against.
Because of the fact that they get the most attention though, people really think they're about the only ones who had bad shit happen to them. Which is simply not true. And you're pretty much playing right into that- so, congrats on being an unoriginal, uneducated fuckwit.
Now, let me restate a point: THE MORE YOU BITCH ABOUT HOW A CERTAIN WORD OR CERTAIN COMPARISONS ARE "RACIST", THE MORE YOU PERPETUATE RACISM ITSELF. I don't care if you're defending it, it only makes it worse. I'm not saying "IGNORE RACISM!", but for fucks sake, how is it going to help?
Think of it like this: Suddenly, the word "Xefu" is outlawed. You're not allowed to say it. Obviously, people wouldn't say it normally. But now, anyone that says it, get in big fucking trouble, and are subject to an ass beating.
Because it suddenly became such a taboo word, people start using it as such- they use it as a BAD word. People start getting offended- they don't know why, other than that it's illegal. But they get "offended". Because it's now an offensive word, it works its way into a banned list of words. You can't really say it in public. People now regard it as a really bad word- they don't know why still, but it's BAD.
And for what? Why does "Xefu" have to be banned? It wouldn't make its way into normal discussion, except the occasional gibberish speak or typo or the like.
Now, I'm sure you're going to jump down my throat on how "But "Nigger" had a bad meaning to it BEFORE it became as illegal as it is! They were discriminated against first, and were treated horribly before it became taboo! YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID, HAH, I WIN!". But see, here's the funny part- ALMOST EVERY AFRICAN AMERICAN WHO BITCHES ABOUT THE WORD "NIGGER" HAS NEVER ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THE ATROCITIES THEIR ANCESTORS DID. My ancestors have experienced shit at one point. Yours have, too. Everyone's has.
Does this mean we should start treating said people as horrible? NO. This bullshit of "Oh, well, it happened to their ancestors, so it applies to them". No. THAT RIGHT THERE is why racism continues to exist. Stop that shit. Yes, even if everyone just stopped this all at once, some racist pricks would continue to live. But that doesn't mean you should continue a shitty policy of "It happened to their ancestors; they deserve retribution!".
FYI, a HUGE amount of racism comes from this way of thinking. For example, a Jew steal's someone's cash some time, 150 years ago. This guy gets pissed, obviously. So he ends up telling his kids "Hey, I had my shit stolen by a Jew, don't trust 'em". That kid tells his kid "Hey, Jews steal shit, don't trust 'em". This continues on. You get the picture.
This entire train of thought needs to just EXPLODE. Why it still runs in people's minds is beyond me, but we as a species need to fucking get over ancestral ties.
I could go on, but this is way too TL;DR as it is, and I have a funny feeling you won't fucking respond to any of what I've said. But this would only further prove I'm right, since you wouldn't be able to properly argue, and can only stoop to shitty "argument " tactics (trolling). So yeah, good luck with that. Good enough of a post for ya?
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422437 is a reply to message #421547] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 14:23 |
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422439 is a reply to message #422437] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 15 March 2010 15:23 |
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Hey, I was bored, and plus, I'm legitimately curious how someone can actually debate this issue from the other side :[
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422440 is a reply to message #421547] |
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After the post three posts before this one I feel obliged to do some moderating and clean the topic up - splitting the spam and the worst of the trolling.
Temp lock. Open for posting!
Please try to get past the ad hominem and address the issue.
Further picture spam and idiocy will be warnings and/or more, depending on severity and previous record.
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422483 is a reply to message #422435] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 15 March 2010 15:10 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 15 March 2010 14:03 |
I replied to your idiotic first post throughout the course of this thread, it's not my problem you're too dense to realize this. The only reason this thread got replies is because it was a controversial shock thread, not because it was intellectually interesting.
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you're right, what a fool I am to have not realized such well thought out replies and arguments such as:
| JohnDoe wrote on Sun, 07 March 2010 04:15 |
It's obviously lame redneck racism...I wouldn't want to be associated with such an idiot, either.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 01:46 |
fuckin aspie
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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 15:40 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 02:26 |
I'm starting to believe black people when they whine about most whites still being closet racists...either that or there are more than a few people with Asperger's posting ITT.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 16:41 |
We get it. You're autistic, not racist.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 02:40 |
As an American living in Germany I'm clearly sensible enough to African-American history in order to be aware of the blatant lowbrow racism, as any educated person should be. If you can't see how comparing the Harvard-educated wife of the first black president in US history visually to a monkey, which just so happens be a racial slur used by people who lynched blacks not too long ago, is racist, then I can only feel pity.
You obviously can only belong to four types of people: 1. Extremely sheltered and of low intelligence living in all-white region like North Dakota, which makes you ignorant to anything related to African-Americans; 2. A closet racist; 3. A troll; 4. Autistic.
From what I can tell, you're either a troll or a closet racist (which is why I didn't bother with a serious reply), but this Reborn guy is definitely not a troll, which makes this a lot more interesting.
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ah, here we go- after 4 replies, you replied with something SOMEWHAT interesting, and made a semi-serious reply to another post:
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 02:56 |
If African-Americans were enslaved, raped and lyched en masse in your country because of the color of their skin, then you better inconveniently "forward think" before comparing a person of said group to a racist term due to their appearance - especially if it's a person who just made history. What's wrong with you? This level of insensitivity definitely beyond naive.
To answer the Jewish question: It depends on the picture. If a religious or cultural symbol like the Star of David is involved, then it's definitely racist. If a non-jewish accomplice is pictured as well, then it most likely isn't. Everything in between will have Jews complaining, but must not be inherently racist. A racist would i.e. make the pig's features look as "Jewish as possible".
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...then when your obviously infallible logic is challenged, you resort to:
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 08:38 |
I for one welcome our new Sperglord Reborn.
So say we all!
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then some shit about BSG, I don't know and won't bother posting it
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 12 March 2010 01:45 |
Zeratul&Alsamething -> Examples for categories 1&2.
"Howdy!"
"Hello."
"Why can't I call them colored folks nigg3rs? They even use the word themselves!"
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Sorry, but what? That's not even what's being said, and is obviously just another shitpost.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
| JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 08:13 |
It's an ignorant word to begin with, but there's a difference saying it when your ancestors enslaved, raped and lynched the group you're saying it to. Using the equality argument to justify your racism is pretty pathetic.
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you're basically repeating what you said before- except that your points had already been argued, and you ignore them.
I think I'll just stop there, but you haven't made any real points past the middle few. However, since I'm nice, I'll re-argue it (despite Reborn having done this already).
| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 02:40 |
As an American living in Germany I'm clearly sensible enough to African-American history in order to be aware of the blatant lowbrow racism, as any educated person should be.
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So, the guy claims it's political humor, and it pretty much is, but it's "lowbrow racism" because of previously (as in, ages old) discriminatory remarks? This is just proving my point- people jump right fucking to the race card. You're only perpetuating racism in general by doing this, you know.
| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 March 2010 02:40 |
If you can't see how comparing the Harvard-educated wife of the first black president in US history visually to a monkey, which just so happens be a racial slur used by people who lynched blacks not too long ago, is racist, then I can only feel pity.
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Firstly, it WAS long ago. Generally speaking, shit that happened 20-30 years ago should hardly come into consideration as much as it does for "racist" words. But whatever, I guess everyone has their own definition for how long ago "awhile ago" was.
Secondly, yes, it... is a coincidence, dipshit. People have compared political figures and the people around them to monkeys since fucking Abraham Lincoln.
If we just DISREGARDED those stupid racist remarks altogether as being bad, it wouldn't be a problem at ALL. But no, people can't understand that by getting upset, they're making the whole racism problem worse. Plus, it makes genuinely racist people more pissed off. Which doesn't help either...
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 11 March 2010 02:56 |
If African-Americans were enslaved, raped and lyched en masse in your country because of the color of their skin, then you better inconveniently "forward think" before comparing a person of said group to a racist term due to their appearance - especially if it's a person who just made history. What's wrong with you? This level of insensitivity definitely beyond naive.
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Irish were enslaved, treated like SHIT when they came here to America, and were more than likely raped just as much. The Dutch have dealt with shit. And I dare you to tell me that French don't get their fair share of shit from Americans. Like I've said- EVERY RACE HAS PUT UP WITH SHIT. Africans aren't the only ones.
"BUT THEY GOT RAPED AND LYNCHED AND THAT WAS BAD". Yes, it was, but African-Americans just get the most attention when it comes to that shit. That doesn't make it any less terrible- but many, MANY other counts of racism, TO THIS DAY, go unnoticed.
And, there's no other way to put this, and I guarantee you'll jump down my throat on this, but really... most African-Americans are the ones who make the biggest deal about "racism" these days. But nearly every race is discriminated just as much as them these days (which is to say, not nearly as much of a deal these days), with their own set of racial slurs that are said just as much.
Really, African-Americans are essentially to American racism what the Jews were to WWII. It was terrible, it should have never happened, but they get the most attention when it comes to people explaining the atrocities... despite there being other groups of people being discriminated against.
Because of the fact that they get the most attention though, people really think they're about the only ones who had bad shit happen to them. Which is simply not true. And you're pretty much playing right into that- so, congrats on being an unoriginal, uneducated fuckwit.
Now, let me restate a point: THE MORE YOU BITCH ABOUT HOW A CERTAIN WORD OR CERTAIN COMPARISONS ARE "RACIST", THE MORE YOU PERPETUATE RACISM ITSELF. I don't care if you're defending it, it only makes it worse. I'm not saying "IGNORE RACISM!", but for fucks sake, how is it going to help?
Think of it like this: Suddenly, the word "Xefu" is outlawed. You're not allowed to say it. Obviously, people wouldn't say it normally. But now, anyone that says it, get in big fucking trouble, and are subject to an ass beating.
Because it suddenly became such a taboo word, people start using it as such- they use it as a BAD word. People start getting offended- they don't know why, other than that it's illegal. But they get "offended". Because it's now an offensive word, it works its way into a banned list of words. You can't really say it in public. People now regard it as a really bad word- they don't know why still, but it's BAD.
And for what? Why does "Xefu" have to be banned? It wouldn't make its way into normal discussion, except the occasional gibberish speak or typo or the like.
Now, I'm sure you're going to jump down my throat on how "But "Nigger" had a bad meaning to it BEFORE it became as illegal as it is! They were discriminated against first, and were treated horribly before it became taboo! YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID, HAH, I WIN!". But see, here's the funny part- ALMOST EVERY AFRICAN AMERICAN WHO BITCHES ABOUT THE WORD "NIGGER" HAS NEVER ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THE ATROCITIES THEIR ANCESTORS DID. My ancestors have experienced shit at one point. Yours have, too. Everyone's has.
Does this mean we should start treating said people as horrible? NO. This bullshit of "Oh, well, it happened to their ancestors, so it applies to them". No. THAT RIGHT THERE is why racism continues to exist. Stop that shit. Yes, even if everyone just stopped this all at once, some racist pricks would continue to live. But that doesn't mean you should continue a shitty policy of "It happened to their ancestors; they deserve retribution!".
FYI, a HUGE amount of racism comes from this way of thinking. For example, a Jew steal's someone's cash some time, 150 years ago. This guy gets pissed, obviously. So he ends up telling his kids "Hey, I had my shit stolen by a Jew, don't trust 'em". That kid tells his kid "Hey, Jews steal shit, don't trust 'em". This continues on. You get the picture.
This entire train of thought needs to just EXPLODE. Why it still runs in people's minds is beyond me, but we as a species need to fucking get over ancestral ties.
I could go on, but this is way too TL;DR as it is, and I have a funny feeling you won't fucking respond to any of what I've said. But this would only further prove I'm right, since you wouldn't be able to properly argue, and can only stoop to shitty "argument " tactics (trolling). So yeah, good luck with that. Good enough of a post for ya?
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422484 is a reply to message #421547] |
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It's pretty sad that you spent so much time on such an empty post.
Let's start at the beginning: You're making a shock thread about how comparing Michelle Obama visually to a monkey is "political humor" instead of the obvious choice, racism, because George Bush was in a similar situation. Nikki called you out on that nonsense. Bush was pictured like that because of being perceived as unintelligent (like a primate) - at least by presidential standards - which supposedly led to poor political decisions. Michelle is a Harvard lawyer and isn't in charge of any policy, so the only reason she's pictured next to a monkey is her appearance. Henceforth, there is nothing political about that type of "humor", it's classless, lowbrow racism. Even if the connection to the racist term "monkey" were simply a coincidence - which is highly unlikely - you're defending a classless, unprovoked personal attack on a woman. Good job, internet soldier! 
Since you're obviously having trouble making a case, you decide to shed your skin and show your true racist colors by claiming that slavery wasn't that bad and black people need to condone white people labeling them "nigg3rs" because every "race" went through rough periods. Now we get to an inane list of comparisons: Reborn takes the cake for comparing positive discrimination in the UK to centuries of slavery. After being pressured to provide examples, you finally do so somewhere in your wall of text. First up, the French, which apparently "get their fair share of shit from the Americans". LMFAO...so being perceived as surrender-happy equals to going trough centuries of slavery? On second thought, this might be even crazier than Reborn's comparison. Next up, the Dutch, which apparently have "dealt with shit". OK, then which "shit" have they "dealt with" that compares to centuries of slavery? I'm waiting!
Finally, the Irish. Their plight can actually be compared to what blacks went through. So far so good, but what's the connection to racial slurs such as "nigg3r" and "monkey"? Those two slurs were designed to label blacks as sub-human in a time when blacks were perceived as such. I'm not very knowledgeable on fringe racial slurs, so if there a comparable slur which targets the Irish people's fortune as sub-human slaves, I'm sure it's equally as inappropriate and intolerable. Slurs targeting white people as a whole (such as the examples "wigger" and "pinky") therefore aren't comparable. The use of "nigg3r" and "monkey" by white people will never be condoned. If a black person does so, it's different, albeit ignorant - the same way me calling you a faggot over the internet and calling an outed homosexual a faggot to his face is different.
As for putting the Irish, Dutch, French and "African" race in the same category...you're by no chance related to a certain woman from Alaska, right?
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I accept that depicting Michelle as a Monkey isn't nice, but neither is doing it to anyone.
I accept that calling a mentally handicapped person a "mong" is worse than saying it to someone who isn't handicapped. But this is because the word "mong" or "spastic" is specifically and used for describing and cussing said group.
These words only have One real meaning...
Calling a Mexican a "wet-back" is racist, it's only purpose is to basically call them an illegal migrant, and that you hold the person in low regard.
Calling a Mexican a stupid dumb-ass isn't racist. I believe this is what the guy was trying to say with his depiction of Michelle (just the same as others tried depicting when they drew Bush as a Monkey, they wasn't saying he was a black man, they was calling him a dumb-ass).
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422499 is a reply to message #422484] |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
It's pretty sad that you spent so much time on such an empty post.
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and already you're incapable of making a post without looking like a prick, good job
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
You're making a shock thread
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Wasn't a "shock thread"
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
about how comparing Michelle Obama visually to a monkey is "political humor" instead of the obvious choice, racism, because George Bush was in a similar situation.
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See, that's what I'm talking about. Why is it the "obvious choice"? Refer to my post which you decided to, y'know, entirely ignore- this type of shit only furthers racism.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Nikki called you out on that nonsense. Bush was pictured like that because of being perceived as unintelligent (like a primate) - at least by presidential standards - which supposedly led to poor political decisions.
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It isn't just that "his policies were unintelligent", a lot of the jokes were just plain because he looked like a monkey sometimes. It happens, and again, popular people tend to be compared to a monkey or something along those lines just because they can.
So, yeah, blacks were compared to monkeys at some point. Big fucking deal, if I was called an asshole and it hurts my feelings (lol), does that mean you should NEVER call my children an asshole? No, because that'd be a fucking stupid reason to not call someone an asshole.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Michelle is a Harvard lawyer and isn't in charge of any policy, so the only reason she's pictured next to a monkey is her appearance.
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Personally, I think she's pretty dumb- I don't see why she should be excluded from any remarks/jokes just because she doesn't work on policy (so I suppose "political humor" isn't quite the right term, but that hardly changes much).
by the way, Bush attended Yale and Harvard. just throwing that out there.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Henceforth, there is nothing political about that type of "humor", it's classless, lowbrow racism.
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So it's either strictly humor directly relating to big political figures, or it's racism? I see, I didn't know there were only two types of humor allowed.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Even if the connection to the racist term "monkey" were simply a coincidence - which is highly unlikely - you're defending a classless, unprovoked personal attack on a woman. Good job, internet soldier!
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oh no, someone was insulted because she's popular (and quite frankly, not all that intelligent either). BUT SHE'S BLACK SO IT MUST BE WRONG AND UNPROVOKED AND A PERSONAL ATTACK AND RACIST, AMIRITE?
Get your head out of your ass. People in the media get insulted all the time. Why should someone who's black be excluded from this?
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Since you're obviously having trouble making a case, you decide to shed your skin and show your true racist colors by claiming that slavery wasn't that bad
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This is the point where you prove you're 100 different types of retarded. I already said- the racism that African-Americans endured way back then was terrible.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
and black people need to condone white people labeling them "nigg3rs" because every "race" went through rough periods.
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because that's exactly how I put it, right? and not "Everyone gets shit no matter what- African-Americans are just the most popular example"
why are you so stupid
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Now we get to an inane list of comparisons: Reborn takes the cake for comparing positive discrimination in the UK to centuries of slavery.
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Because past discrimination still should be considered to have happened to people today, right?
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
After being pressured to provide examples, you finally do so somewhere in your wall of text. First up, the French, which apparently "get their fair share of shit from the Americans". LMFAO...so being perceived as surrender-happy equals to going trough centuries of slavery?
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Because there was obviously never any point in time ever that an American beat the shit out of a French guy just because they're French, right? I mean, it wasn't in popular media... must not have happened 
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
On second thought, this might be even crazier than Reborn's comparison. Next up, the Dutch, which apparently have "dealt with shit". OK, then which "shit" have they "dealt with" that compares to centuries of slavery? I'm waiting!
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Finally, the Irish. Their plight can actually be compared to what blacks went through. So far so good, but what's the connection to racial slurs such as "nigg3r" and "monkey"? Those two slurs were designed to label blacks as sub-human in a time when blacks were perceived as such.
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Because there were obviously never ANY form of hurtful things said to the Irish ever, right?
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
I'm not very knowledgeable on fringe racial slurs, so if there a comparable slur which targets the Irish people's fortune as sub-human slaves, I'm sure it's equally as inappropriate and intolerable.
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so wait, you're basically saying here that insults are only inappropriate if at one point there was a bad context in which they were used?
I guess I shouldn't say fruit anymore; after all, homosexuals have been called "fruits", and they've been THE most discriminated group in history.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
Slurs targeting white people as a whole (such as the examples "wigger" and "pinky") therefore aren't comparable. The use of "nigg3r" and "monkey" by white people will never be condoned.
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see above. There are those who've been treated worse throughout history, but I don't see negative words made towards them being as illegalized.
Not to mention, as you can see these days, the words that WERE negative almost exclusively towards those individuals are fading into simply being blind insult words (Faggot, for example). They lose their meaning, thus, it's hardly much of a discriminatory word. Eventually, "faggot" will become something of a "bastard" or "asshole" or "douchebag". If I walk up to a black guy and call him an "asshole", he wouldn't get nearly as offended if I were to call him a "n!gger".
Obviously, he'd still be offended, but not to near as much of a degree. So, if "n!gger" becomes just a general word and not one used against African-Americans... well, shit, it's not really racist anymore.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
If a black person does so, it's different, albeit ignorant - the same way me calling you a faggot over the internet and calling an outed homosexual a faggot to his face is different.
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See above. If it becomes a word which is no longer targeted at a group, they shouldn't even be offended anymore. Sure, people might still be, but it won't be nearly as bad. Which is the whole point I'm trying to make- people need to lighten the fuck up, and realize words are words.
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 06:29 |
As for putting the Irish, Dutch, French and "African" race in the same category...you're by no chance related to a certain woman from Alaska, right?
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har.
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422505 is a reply to message #421547] |
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We've been over this so many times, even Reborn conceded the point once he got to see that picture. There's no point in repeating myself as you've proven yourself intellectually incapable of comprehending and therefore responding to my nuanced argument. Everybody can see that you're nothing more than a cowardly online racist and there's no point in debating the mental diarrhea you're spewing any longer.
If there is still genuine controversy, I encourage others to intellectually challenge my argument, otherwise Carrier might as well lock this shock thread.
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Speak for yourself...I won't reiterate my post just to watch it go over your head...again. I guess Carrier could leave it open and we could watch you try to form a coherent rebuttal instead of dissecting every sentence twice in the hope of obscuring the argument. Big Brother for keyboard racists.
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 14:15 |
Speak for yourself...I won't reiterate my post just to watch it go over your head...again. I guess Carrier could leave it open and we could watch you try to form a coherent rebuttal instead of dissecting every sentence twice in the hope of obscuring the argument. Big Brother for keyboard racists.
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right, your general point there was "African-Americans endured tough shit; they are thus entitled to be excluded from certain remarks", basically- right?
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422542 is a reply to message #422505] |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 15:35 |
We've been over this so many times, even Reborn conceded the point once he got to see that picture. There's no point in repeating myself as you've proven yourself intellectually incapable of comprehending and therefore responding to my nuanced argument. Everybody can see that you're nothing more than a cowardly online racist and there's no point in debating the mental diarrhea you're spewing any longer.
If there is still genuine controversy, I encourage others to intellectually challenge my argument, otherwise Carrier might as well lock this shock thread.
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Start with the first sentence and slowly work yourself through the following ones. We're supporting you all the way. Don't forget to update this thread with personal logs of your progress.
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422545 is a reply to message #422542] |
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No, it's cool that you can't actually respond to what I say. I totally understand- that'd mean you'd have to have to actually, y'know, think.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: THAT'S RACIST! [message #422552 is a reply to message #421547] |
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I think there is no point in trying to change a racist's opinion. I think I've done enough to change everyone else's. What do you think?
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 16:49 |
I think there is no point in trying to change a racist's opinion. I think I've done enough to change everyone else's. What do you think?
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But I'm not a racist- that's what's so insane about this.
seriously though, you've done nothing but prove you're incapable of actually arguing, and instead, make yourself look like a prick.
but I guess I'm still somehow wrong because I've clearly not presented any form of argument, nope, not atall
just sitting here, saying "n!ggers should be hung!", apparently
Edit: If there's someone who agrees with JohnDoe (or atleast is of a similar opposition to my arguments), I'd greatly appreciate it if you could post in this thread. It's a little annoying trying to squeeze a half decent argument out of him every 1 in 5 posts.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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