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Skins are stupid[ 64 votes ]
1. Yes 26 / 41%
2. No 38 / 59%

JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 17:37

because skins are for faggots...



^ lulz

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gimme puremode anyday tbh

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405379 is a reply to message #405377] Mon, 05 October 2009 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnDoe's post made me so embarrased that I deleted all my skins and sounds and reticle and clearscope. I am running pure now and it feels nice!

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405380 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 05:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depends on the skins, really.

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405381 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 06:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stuff like this, yes
Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405384 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i use pawky's nod soldier

nod urban camoflage skin
Di3's laser sniper
reborn railgun
nod cyborg sbh
and thats it really...

so uhmm no Rocked Over


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I love the fact that I can change the appearance of Ren, it is like a coloring book... The problem is, some people have not learned to stay inside the lines and color their ren like 5 year olds. Luckly their are are also the ones that make a old game feel kinda new again.

Skins Thumbs Up

Edit: That whole thing where people turn their bloom way up... that shit just hurts my eyes.

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Spoony wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 08:45

gimme puremode anyday tbh




Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405388 is a reply to message #405385] Mon, 05 October 2009 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chew wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 09:57

I love the fact that I can change the appearance of Ren, it is like a coloring book... The problem is, some people have not learned to stay inside the lines and color their ren like 5 year olds. Luckly their are are also the ones that make a old game feel kinda new again.

Skins Thumbs Up

Edit: That whole thing where people turn their bloom way up... that shit just hurts my eyes.

Gotta agree with this, it's easy to say all skins are rubbisch but there is a big difference between a plain red nod sniper and dregs tiberium sun nod sniper. So it all depends on the skin.
Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405393 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There's nothing wrong with crosshairs and puremode should acknowledge that IMO...personally, I love the default crosshair and am quite glad that it's offered in UT2K4's options Razz. It all boils down to personal preference and nobody's getting an unfair advantage by using a cross instead of a circle. Other skins either give you an unfair advantage or lower the game's nostalgic appeal...so you're either a faggot or the type of guy that wears white socks when wearing a suit because he doesn't know any better...Philistine phaggot.

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405394 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lawl... i guess i am a faggot Blush

Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405396 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Definitely Philistine..only Mylo could give a definite answer on your level of gayness.

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405400 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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models are cool

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405410 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Like stated, it depends on the skin.

I don't use any model skins. I do use a modified reticule and a HUD skin, though. I don't really like changing the model skins, but I would use ones that literally make the model look better by using an updated or higher-detail/quality skin of the original.

Like a serious skin replacement. Not some stupid color changing thing or some stupid clown car skin.

JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 11:54

There's nothing wrong with crosshairs and puremode should acknowledge that IMO...

Not true.

There are different crosshairs that make it easier to use. It removes a level of guess/positioning that allows you to aim your weapon more efficiently.

The kind of crosshair I'm talking about is the ones that are really really small. The ones that are simply dots in the center of the screen.

It's easier to control those because the actual spot the projectile is hitting is around the center dot of the crosshair. In the default one or modded ones that leave open space between that center dot and the outlining shape, you need to compensate for the open area of the crosshair with the geometry of the terrain. But if the crosshair is a simple dot, you can simply control it in a way that doesn't require you to think about the shot as much.

At least, that's the effect I got when testing a bunch of different reticule mods. The smaller the crosshair, the easier it was to use for me.

This is what I'm talking about:
Normal Styles that should be allowed:
index.php?t=getfile&id=11954&private=0

Advantage style that makes it easier to aim:
index.php?t=getfile&id=11955&private=0


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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405414 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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!vote yes

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405418 is a reply to message #405414] Mon, 05 October 2009 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@ R3: Till yesterday I was using that little so-called "advantage" reticle. With the default one now, my aiming is not affected at all. I think since no matter what the surrounding reticle looks like, it's always the dot that matters.

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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405420 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes. Exactly. That's why I consider it an advantage.

The dot is what matters. But the outside reticule still exists. Thus, removing it, makes it easier to use.

It's the removal of an optical illusion originating from the outer crosshair. I've tested it in many different aspects and found that the smaller the outer reticule (or closer it is to the center dot) the easier it is to aim.

One may not notice if they aren't necessarily looking for it, but the difference is there. It may also depend on who is using it, because people see and perceive different ways.
Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405422 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405436 is a reply to message #405410] Mon, 05 October 2009 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 18:14

Like stated, it depends on the skin.

I don't use any model skins. I do use a modified reticule and a HUD skin, though. I don't really like changing the model skins, but I would use ones that literally make the model look better by using an updated or higher-detail/quality skin of the original.

Like a serious skin replacement. Not some stupid color changing thing or some stupid clown car skin.

JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 11:54

There's nothing wrong with crosshairs and puremode should acknowledge that IMO...

Not true.

There are different crosshairs that make it easier to use. It removes a level of guess/positioning that allows you to aim your weapon more efficiently.

The kind of crosshair I'm talking about is the ones that are really really small. The ones that are simply dots in the center of the screen.

It's easier to control those because the actual spot the projectile is hitting is around the center dot of the crosshair. In the default one or modded ones that leave open space between that center dot and the outlining shape, you need to compensate for the open area of the crosshair with the geometry of the terrain. But if the crosshair is a simple dot, you can simply control it in a way that doesn't require you to think about the shot as much.

At least, that's the effect I got when testing a bunch of different reticule mods. The smaller the crosshair, the easier it was to use for me.

This is what I'm talking about:
Normal Styles that should be allowed:
index.php?t=getfile&id=11954&private=0

Advantage style that makes it easier to aim:
index.php?t=getfile&id=11955&private=0





I'm going to respond to this nonsense one time in a civil fashion.

Here are a few reasons why the "normal style" can be more useful than the "advantage style":

1. Short range fighting. This is common knowledge...pro players who use custom crosshairs for different weapons will always use a large crosshair for shotgun-type weapons and a small one for sniper weapons. I like the Renegade-style crosshair because it combines both.
2. Leading with shells/rockets/grenades. While variants of cross-shaped crosshairs (wow..) are best for this type of aiming, the larger circle crosshair is still more useful than the smaller one. The outer rim of the crosshair will be closer to the opponent, making it easier to guess whether he's going to run into the center of the crosshair.
3. Sniping opponents behind objects at long distance unscoped. Let's say you're fighting someone at a long distance and he's hiding behind a barrier and you don't want to scope because it'll make you an easier target or because you're busy hugging a wall. Now the small crosshair will actually obstruct his model from your view, while with the larger crosshair, only the dot is covering his character. It's even more evident when he's being partially covered by a vehicle, thus eliminating your ability to guess your shots as the crosshair changes to red. This is not a major issue , but it can be the crucial factor deciding a close battle.

Now the "advantage style" is probably better at medium distances, where most Renegade combat takes place, and when sniping scoped...it's still a tradeoff, tho and I prefer the "normal style" because it's essentially the most balanced type of crosshair.

Clearly, it boils down to personal preference just like mouse sensitivity or mouse grip.


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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405439 is a reply to message #405375] Mon, 05 October 2009 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depends on the skin. Flamboyant (read: anything by scrin) skins are retarded. But a few simple changes to make things look a little bit better are always nice.

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They're for American queers, yes.

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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 12:14

Like stated, it depends on the skin.

I don't use any model skins. I do use a modified reticule and a HUD skin, though. I don't really like changing the model skins, but I would use ones that literally make the model look better by using an updated or higher-detail/quality skin of the original.

Like a serious skin replacement. Not some stupid color changing thing or some stupid clown car skin.

JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 11:54

There's nothing wrong with crosshairs and puremode should acknowledge that IMO...

Not true.

There are different crosshairs that make it easier to use. It removes a level of guess/positioning that allows you to aim your weapon more efficiently.

The kind of crosshair I'm talking about is the ones that are really really small. The ones that are simply dots in the center of the screen.

It's easier to control those because the actual spot the projectile is hitting is around the center dot of the crosshair. In the default one or modded ones that leave open space between that center dot and the outlining shape, you need to compensate for the open area of the crosshair with the geometry of the terrain. But if the crosshair is a simple dot, you can simply control it in a way that doesn't require you to think about the shot as much.

At least, that's the effect I got when testing a bunch of different reticule mods. The smaller the crosshair, the easier it was to use for me.

This is what I'm talking about:
Normal Styles that should be allowed:
index.php?t=getfile&id=11954&private=0

Advantage style that makes it easier to aim:
index.php?t=getfile&id=11955&private=0






I don't even look at the dot, I just shoot randomly and sometimes I get a headshot.
Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405502 is a reply to message #405379] Mon, 05 October 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pawkyfox wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 07:47

JohnDoe's post made me so embarrased that I deleted all my skins and sounds and reticle and clearscope. I am running pure now and it feels nice!


Really? I run puremode, but you made some awesome skins. Why waste your work like that? =/


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Re: Skins are for fags? [message #405511 is a reply to message #405386] Mon, 05 October 2009 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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reborn wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 11:07

Spoony wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 08:45

gimme puremode anyday tbh





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JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 16:31


1. Short range fighting. This is common knowledge...pro players who use custom crosshairs for different weapons will always use a large crosshair for shotgun-type weapons and a small one for sniper weapons. I like the Renegade-style crosshair because it combines both.
2. Leading with shells/rockets/grenades. While variants of cross-shaped crosshairs (wow..) are best for this type of aiming, the larger circle crosshair is still more useful than the smaller one. The outer rim of the crosshair will be closer to the opponent, making it easier to guess whether he's going to run into the center of the crosshair.
3. Sniping opponents behind objects at long distance unscoped. Let's say you're fighting someone at a long distance and he's hiding behind a barrier and you don't want to scope because it'll make you an easier target or because you're busy hugging a wall. Now the small crosshair will actually obstruct his model from your view, while with the larger crosshair, only the dot is covering his character. It's even more evident when he's being partially covered by a vehicle, thus eliminating your ability to guess your shots as the crosshair changes to red. This is not a major issue , but it can be the crucial factor deciding a close battle.

How can you tell me it's nonsense? You are not me. You don't know how I think nor do you know how I perceive surroundings or react to stimuli. How can you tell me that what I know I feel for a fact is wrong?

I can only agree with point #1. And that is a little iffy because of the way shotguns, or I should say weapons in general, work in Renegade. They aren't as style intensive in Renegade as other games make them to be (such as maybe Halo or Call of Duty)

However, I found it much easier to lead shots without the obstruction of the outer reticule obscuring the target (I watch where the bullet lands and adjust my trajectory, not were the dot goes).

This goes for no scoping far targets. Regardless of the size of the outer reticule, the dot is always the same. For me, it's never been about actual aiming at long distance unless the enemy doesn't see me. When in shot-for-shot combat at long distance, I just hover the dot on the level of the upper portion of the targets body and fire when it turns red. A smaller reticule makes it easier for me to do that. Especially since the "glow" of the bright color of the outer reticule doesn't aid in the obstruction of my view if the target decides to run far to the left or right.

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reborn wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 11:07

Spoony wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 08:45

gimme puremode anyday tbh





Says the guy who leads a team that recreates the mod on an entirely new game engine. Listen

People skin for a variety of reasons. One of the main ones is because they don't like the look or feel of the old version. So they make their own 'better' version.

Renegade X is essentially "skinning" taken to the Xtreme! (lolpun)

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