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The Passion of the Christ [message #77445] Thu, 08 April 2004 20:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah, SOME. MOST, however, are blatent attacks to people. For instance, the first time he flamed me. I was just saying that he can get a FDS for free and he goes off on me. That's what started my belief that he is a nusiance. I had believed it before, but not as strongly until then.

The Passion of the Christ [message #77446] Thu, 08 April 2004 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Uh huh! Well I have said my peace. Your views are your views and I have no right trying to change em so, Good Luck in whever life may take you!

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The Passion of the Christ [message #77450] Thu, 08 April 2004 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Confession itself is a blasphamy.

To prove this: I remind you that Jesus (IN THE BIBLE) is told to be the ONLY mediator between humanity and God. Since sins are a violation of God's law, it is humanity's job to amend with God. However, because Jesus is the ONLY mediator, not priests, pastors, bishops, or even Popes, you have 2 choices: Confess your sins to God, or confess your sins to Jesus.

Remember that God and Jesus are one in the same, being both part of the Trinity, so it doesn't matter who you talk to.

Now, if you rely on a mere human to mediate between you and God, then you elavate that human to a position equal to that of Jesus. Last time I checked, it's blasphamous to try and equalize any mere human with Jesus.

You can go and tell your priest all your problems and sins if you want to, but don't expect for that priest to magically make it all go away with some pennance, because that just isn't so. Your sins are your own, and God's business, and no one else's. It's just that simple.



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The Passion of the Christ [message #77451] Thu, 08 April 2004 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree, I just wish I would have thought of that.

I did say Romans 8:34, but NOOOOOOOOOO, no one ever listens Razz


The Passion of the Christ [message #77832] Fri, 09 April 2004 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey umm bud Romans 8 34 says this....

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34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


No where does it say he is the only mediator!


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The Passion of the Christ [message #77862] Fri, 09 April 2004 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey umm bud Romans 8 34 says this....

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34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


No where does it say he is the only mediator!


Umm... Perhaps you should look up the definition of "intercession".



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The Passion of the Christ [message #77948] Fri, 09 April 2004 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well the definition of intercession is...
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Main Entry: in·ter·ces·sion
Pronunciation: "in-t&r-'se-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin intercession-, intercessio, from intercedere
1 : the act of interceding
2 : prayer, petition, or entreaty in favor of anotherMain Entry: in·ter·cede
Pronunciation: "in-t&r-'sEd
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -ced·ed; -ced·ing
Etymology: Latin intercedere, from inter- + cedere to go
: to intervene between parties with a view to reconciling


Amd the definition for interceding is...

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Main Entry: in·ter·cede
Pronunciation: "in-t&r-'sEd
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -ced·ed; -ced·ing
Etymology: Latin intercedere, from inter- + cedere to go
: to intervene between parties with a view to reconciling


So there u have it!


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The Passion of the Christ [message #77983] Fri, 09 April 2004 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Intercession:

in·ter·ces·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ntr-sshn)
n.
Entreaty in favor of another, especially a prayer or petition to God in behalf of another.
Mediation in a dispute.


Your own definition supports the idea that intercession means "To mediate". That quote from the Bible suggests that Jesus is the mediator.

Now, if Jesus is NOT the only mediator, then tell me, why exactly did he die?



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The Passion of the Christ [message #78005] Fri, 09 April 2004 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jesus died because his body could no longer sustain life after his long torture.

your = possessive adjective
you're = you + are
The Passion of the Christ [message #78009] Fri, 09 April 2004 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thats not what I meant. Why did Jesus die "for our sins"?


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The Passion of the Christ [message #78173] Fri, 09 April 2004 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because as it says in the Bible...

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...For God so loved the World he gave his only Son...


Also God wanted us to have a share in eternity, thus he gave his only Son to bear the sin of all mankind!


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The Passion of the Christ [message #78177] Fri, 09 April 2004 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mary didn't die for our sins neither did Peter or John or anyone else. If they weren't the Messiah, why should we act like they have a say in anything? He's the only mediator, the only one who can intercede.

The Passion of the Christ [message #78188] Fri, 09 April 2004 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did I say Mary, Peter and John Died for our sins? NO!

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The Passion of the Christ [message #78204] Fri, 09 April 2004 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that's what it seems like.

The Passion of the Christ [message #78433] Sat, 10 April 2004 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because as it says in the Bible...

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...For God so loved the World he gave his only Son...


Also God wanted us to have a share in eternity, thus he gave his only Son to bear the sin of all mankind!


No, God has no reason to "want us to have a share in eternity". We are given that privledge when we die. It's called Heaven, and humanity has access to it long before Jesus came and died.

You still haven't supported a reason as to why Jesus died for OUR SINS. I know the reason, and I want to hear your definition.



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The Passion of the Christ [message #78595] Sat, 10 April 2004 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mary didn't die for our sins neither did Peter or John or anyone else.....


Interesting point....

"But I urge and entreat you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in perfect harmony and full agreement in what you say, and that there be no dissensions or factions or divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in your common understanding and in your opinions and judgments. For it has been made clear to me, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions and wrangling and factions among you. What I mean is this, that each one of you [either] says, I belong to Paul, or I belong to Apollos, or I belong to Cephas (Peter), or I belong to Christ. Is Christ (the Messiah) divided into parts? Was Paul crucified on behalf of you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul? I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, Lest anyone should say that I baptized in my own name. [Yes] I did baptize the household of Stephanas also. More than these, I do not remember that I baptized anyone. For Christ (the Messiah) sent me out not to baptize but [to evangelize by] preaching the glad tidings (the Gospel), and that not with verbal eloquence, lest the cross of Christ should be deprived of force and emptied of its power and rendered vain (fruitless, void of value, and of no effect)." 1 Corinthians 1:10-17 Amplified Bible

http://www.heaven.net.nz/answers/answer05.htm

There is one Church, the Church of Christ. A building is not a Church, it is one body. We must not say things like, "My Church," or "Your Church." Someone actually once told me that Catholics were "the true Christians." That is something one shouldn't do. We should not seperate ourselves, but be one in the Church of Christ.


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The Passion of the Christ [message #78597] Sat, 10 April 2004 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We ([Roman] Catholics) are the "original" Christians. Some people seem to get that messed up with the word true for some reason.
The Passion of the Christ [message #79484] Tue, 13 April 2004 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We ([Roman] Catholics) are the "original" Christians. Some people seem to get that messed up with the word true for some reason.



I beg to differ.

Where was the Pope at the last supper?

The church hierarchy is clearly laid out in the bible.

It consists of elders, deacons, and everyone else. Find the word Pope, Cardinal, or Bishop in the bible for me. Find "Vatican council" or rosary beads for me. Find where it says "Read this in Latin" for me.

All those things are constructs of man, and extra garbage to get in between God and you.


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Because as it says in the Bible...

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...For God so loved the World he gave his only Son...


Also God wanted us to have a share in eternity, thus he gave his only Son to bear the sin of all mankind!


No, God has no reason to "want us to have a share in eternity". We are given that privledge when we die. It's called Heaven, and humanity has access to it long before Jesus came and died.

You still haven't supported a reason as to why Jesus died for OUR SINS. I know the reason, and I want to hear your definition.


http://www.wcg.org/lit/jesus/whydie.htm?PHPSESSID=f541911c820993802755ea3599f7fd7e


It's all right there. Basically: Sin equals death, and seperation from God.
So how do you receive entrance to HEAVEN considering everyone has sinned? God solved that. The only perfect sacrifice was something not of this corrupt earth, yet still of it. If you believe in him, and what he did, repent and are baptised, you will appear spotless before God on judgement day. Your debt has been paid by the only one who could forgive it.

No gimmicks, no rosaries, no Mary, no Pope, nothing but you and God.

As it was in the beginning, and as it was always meant to be.


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Kirby, I HIGHLY suggest you read this:
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The Passion of the Christ [message #79936] Wed, 14 April 2004 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To your response that Jesus is the only mediator which is true! But he is God and what ever he says is LAW!!! So I asked my priest over Easter about your topic that telling our sins is blasphemy and he said that Jesus made priests with the power to forgive sins!! Have you ever read John 20: 23
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22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


He says right there to his disciples who's ever sins u forgive they are forgiven and who evers sin u do not forgive are not forgiven! SO there you see a it! A priest is acting through a law that Jesus made!! Thus it is perfect and infallible! So there you have it! A PRIEST HAS THE ABILITY TO FORGIVE SINS!!!!


Also I did answer why Jesus died for our sins!!! He did it because he loved all of humanity and wanted us to have a share in eternal life with him!! It says so in the BIBLE!!!


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He let the disciples have that power until the Holy Spirit came.

The Passion of the Christ [message #79973] Wed, 14 April 2004 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DID U NOT READ MY POST???!!! It says he breathed the Holy Spirit upon them and then told them that they had the power to forgive sins!

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The Passion of the Christ [message #79978] Wed, 14 April 2004 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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fine, i really wasn't paying attention. still didn't mean that his disciples were priests. his disciples were very close to him, of course they're gonna have that ability. AND THEY'RE NOT SAINTS!

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What do you mean they weren't saints?? AND ALSO JESUS SAID TO GO OUT SPREAD HIS WORD AND TEACH HIS WAYS!!! DONT U THINK THAT MEANS TO PASS ON THE ABILITY TO FORGIVE SINS!!! Dont post stupid comments!

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