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Sun, 28 March 2004 18:12   |
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| DarkDemin |
The pope is inffalible means "The pope cannont be wrong on teachings of the church" NOT and I repeat NOT on politics or other views he is still human and that was vatican two smacktard 
ALSO, it was not water he was given it was GALL a terrible smelling awful form of alchol.
Their is one thing I do not agree with in the Catholic Religion and that is going to a priest to confess my sins. Why in the world would I have to go tell a priest that I screwed up... When God is supposed to be listening to me all the time...
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I hope for your sake that you're not Catholic then. Because if the Pope cannot be fallible in the teachings of the Church, how can you possibly disagree with him that confession must be done to a Priest and still be called a Catholic?
Furthermore, you're right: it IS blasphamous to confess to a Priest. Priests cannot play a mediator of sins, because Jesus was the ONLY mediator sent by God. So it is Jesus, and ONLY Jesus (or God himself) who can forgive sins. Therefore, Catholicism is flawed, and the Pope himself is wrong, thus Vactican Two (are you SURE?) is not correct. Bearing that in mind, if that can be considered flawed, what else is wrong?
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74486] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 20:38 |
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won't be so glad when u die. eternity of darkness. eternity of being lost. you will be next to people, but you won't even know they're there. just think...BLACK...i mean...BLACK environment, eternity of being lost. imagine being a little kid losing his mother in a supermarket, the fear and the worry that's in that kid. MANY MANY MANY times worse than that in Hell. Think of something that you absolutely feel uncomfortable doing, seeing, feeling. Hell will be many times worse than that feeling.
also, what's the harm in believing in something if we're just gonna end up dust in the wind when we die? i know that there is no end to life. there is a definite end to mortal life. In Hell you'll be suffering an eternal death, over and over and over and over and over and over and over for eternity, NO ENDING. One day after another, one year after another, one century after another, one millenium after another and so on and so forth.
if you believe in no afterlife, what's wrong in believing something? it's not gonna harm you at all because there would be no consequences to believing a higher being.
think about this, how can you have beings appear out of nothing? the big bang, ok, how did the explosion happen, what exploded? how did those come to be in the first place? there has to be some sort of higher being out there. it just so happens to be that THE ONE AND ONLY God that I believe in is the true creator and only creator of the universe and everything it contains. Bible has been proven to be inerrant. And if it wasn't true, why would so many people spend years trying to disprove something that would disprove itself if it was false? how can 1 book with 40 different authors deliver one message and not have any conflicts in it? it's divine, it's the truth, it can't be disproven.
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I'm not sure how the "big bang" happened, but, I'm not going to replace it with some fictional god that I have absolutely no proof exists.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74497] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 20:58 |
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have you really taken the time to just look at the great outdoors? take a look and see the beauty and deep think about how it came to be? how can you tell me that someone didn't create it? how can everything work out so perfectly and just happen? everything has order, nothing really seems out of place, except for evil and sin. how can you tell me that how my body works, how sex works, how life works without seeing order and perfection? what are the chances that i take 200 pieces of paper and some clear thin plastic and throw it up in the air and it all of a sudden becomes packaged and neat like those 200 sheet packs of paper? better yet, a watch, tons and tons of little components, it didn't just come to be. it was created. u could sit for centuries with all of the parts right in front of you waiting for them to join together and become a watch, it's not gonna happen unless someone puts the components together in a fashion that the watch starts to tick.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74502] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 21:03 |
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If the bible said purple flying bitch monkeys created the earth, would you believe it? Untill there is solid proof that god(s) exist, I'm not going to let a story book tell me my values.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74510] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 21:16 |
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has any story book had 40+ authors and have not one of them conflict with each other? it's an impossible feat to have 40+ authors write about different subjects and have not one of them conflict with another, unless it was divinely inspired. it takes faith to believe what i believe. most athiests are brilliant people, but they let their minds get in the way of letting them see the truth and letting them believe in the simplest of ideas that are the hardest to grasp. like 1+1 = 2. it's so simple, but how does it really work? what is "1" and how come when it's added to itself it equals this other number, the number "2"? we learn that is just is and that's how we get by. but with faith and superior beings, we can't let it be just that simple. it somehow has to be turned into this huge search for the truth and yada yada yada. that is why kids are so easy to believe, is because they don't understand, they just believe. aren't kids the happiest out of everyone? that's because they don't over think things. if you just look at the simple facts and believe for the sake of believing, you'll be more likely to grasp the idea and then actually understand.
It's time for me to hit the sack, i will be more than happy to continue this discussion tomorrow.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74515] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 21:21 |
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We let our minds get in the way of seeing the truth, eh? You want us to blindly follow some shitty little book without using our minds? That makes a lot of sense... :rolleyes:
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74552] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 00:48 |
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We let our minds get in the way of seeing the truth, eh? You want us to blindly follow some shitty little book without using our minds? That makes a lot of sense... :rolleyes:
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(Quoting the post above me, I know)
Give me proof God does NOT exist.
And since we're on the topic of blindly following what others say... please tell me. With your own eyes, have you seen a billion dollars, an atom, the core of the Earth being made of molten/solid iron, Jupiter, an electron, your great (times 10) Grandfather? (And this does NOT include pictures)
If you answer no to any of the above, then I guess according to you, they don't exist. Right?
Oh, but wait, science tells us they do. But then again, are you going to blindly follow what a book tells you without using your minds?
But then, once again, there is a reason Religion is a belief structure, and not a science... the "fact" that there is no proof. Either for, or against.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74565] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 06:19 |
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And since we're on the topic of blindly following what others say... please tell me. With your own eyes, have you seen a billion dollars, an atom, the core of the Earth being made of molten/solid iron, Jupiter, an electron, your great (times 10) Grandfather? (And this does NOT include pictures)
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No, I havent, but there is scientific proof these things exist. I don't mind if people follow their respective religions, but, when people start making jackass comments such as "but i feel that victory at all costs is applicable" I start to wonder, does this include murder of innocent people?
He is beginning to talk about Homosexuals as Hitler talked about the Jews, a "deterioration of our standards".
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74574] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 08:10 |
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| Cwazyape |
He is beginning to talk about Homosexuals as Hitler talked about the Jews, a "deterioration of our standards".
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You know, quite a bit of Hitler's thinking was derived from Darwin's theory. "In starting and waging war it is not right that matters, but victory." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ch. 14 "Survival of the fittest," perhaps? Hitler basicly used God and Christianity as a tool to ensnare the masses to support him.
Now back on topic, people. We're supposed to be talking about the movie.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74598] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 11:32 |
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seriously...it is a deterioration of our standards. imagine a time where homosexuals were something that people were absolutely afraid of admitting because of fear that they won't be accepted by others. seems like a far away place doesn't it? it was only a few decades ago that it was unacceptable to be homosexual, and now, we can be? u can say times change, and i agree, but there are absolute truths and one absolute truth is that a marriage is strictly between a man and a woman. it is deterioration of our standards if we can start to allow homosexuality to be a new normal. we're even making the homosexuals out to be somewhat like heroes, that they're coming out of the closet which is supposedly a hard thing to do. they're being rewarded for being homo, i for one, will never accept it or award their actions.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74632] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 14:04 |
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I'm beginning to believe that EVERYONE has a TINY PIECE of the truth, yet they all blow it up to be the absolute, no contest, one-and-only way to live. If you think you know the entire truth of existance, you are as flawed as those you criticize.
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u can say times change, and i agree, but there are absolute truths
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Times DO change. For several centuries after the death of Jesus, it was absolutely unacceptable to be a Christian. The Roman Empire used them in gladitorial games, just for something to kill. Now, Christianity is the single most powerful religion in the world. 2000 years ago, it didn't even exist. And you somehow presume that you are any more "right" than anyone else is?
Would you take away womens' sufferage, just because they did not have it 100 years ago? Would you allow parents to beat their children, just because it was once an accepted norm?
What was that the Bible said about NOT judging others? You continue to rag on how one person or another has no right to do this or do that, when in reality you are doing the same thing. Is that not hypocritical? FFS, there isn't one Christian church which remembers exactly what the message of their supposed savior was. "Love thy neighbor..." yeah, but only if they're not gay, atheist, pagan, or anything else we don't agree with. Don't be so eager to examine others' flaws when you have just as many of your own.
Everyone wants to believe that theirs is the one and only truth, but they are simply afraid to accept that there is more than one way to go about living. That goes for ALL religions. NO EXCEPTIONS. If you want to believe something is wrong, go ahead; that is your right. Just NEVER assume that everyone else must believe in the same version of truth.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74638] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 14:20 |
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first of all, im not in a religion. i am a part of the christian faith. and who says i don't love thy neighbor? just because i don't like them personally, doesn't mean i dont' love them. i love them as another human being, i don't have to stomach them. where in the Bible does it say that I must like everybody? it only says that i have to love them. people don't have the same rights as everyone else. rights are determined by the choices that are made, not necessarily the ones that we make, but for the most part it is. take, for example, a murderer. He commits a murder, and because of that choice, he doesn't get to have freedom and live without boundary. now, homosexuals choose to act upon their desires, and therefore should not have the right to marry. athiests and other believers, they choose not to believe in the truth, so therefore they dont' get the privelage of eternal life.
you can go about living any way you want to, but it is not necessarily right. i take it you're an athiest. you believe in nothing after death, of course you're gonna see living any way that you want to to be acceptable.
my faith IS the only faith that will lead you to salvation. there are different variants on my faith that will lead to the same end result, but you have to agree on basic absolute truths. religion is a dangerous thing and is full of corruption. luckily, i am not a part of a religion, as i have stated, i am a part of my faith. my faith allows me to view different aspects of the world in different variations and yet still be correct.
i don't know the entire truth of the existance, i know that we were created by a higher being, who happens to be the one and only God of the universe. He sent his only son down to die for our sins. go ahead and believe what you will, but until you believe those two ABSOLUTE TRUTHS, you will not be in the same place as i will be after we both falls victims to death.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74650] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 14:48 |
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you can go about living any way you want to, but it is not necessarily right. i take it you're an athiest. you believe in nothing after death, of course you're gonna see living any way that you want to to be acceptable.
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Wow, you ARE arrogant. You assume you know what others believe even before they've told you. While you are correct in that I am an atheist, you are dead wrong everywhere else. I DO believe there is an afterlife- but I do not make the assumption that I know what it will be like. And I certainly don't think I know what yours will be like.
Living "any way you want" is only acceptable if you (and pay attention, this bit is important) do not infringe upon the rights of another human being. That looks incredibly apathetic on the surface...yet even this way, certain things are definitely unacceptable. Murder or robbery for example...by committing those crimes, you piss all over someone else's rights; therefore you cannot do either. Only things which do not impede another being's rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness may be done.
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my faith IS the only faith that will lead you to salvation. there are different variants on my faith that will lead to the same end result, but you have to agree on basic absolute truths. religion is a dangerous thing and is full of corruption. luckily, i am not a part of a religion, as i have stated, i am a part of my faith. my faith allows me to view different aspects of the world in different variations and yet still be correct.
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And yet you miss the point. Do you truly believe you have the divine key to the universe in your set of beliefs? The world is not quite as simple as right and wrong, believer and nonbeliever. Consider this: your faith may be the only one that will bring YOU salvation. The same does not necessarily apply to every other person you see walking down the street; there are a lot of other people out there, all claiming they have the one and only truth (unfortunately, I am no exception; I will never be able to believe in a supreme being, just as you will never be able to believe there isn't one). All I think people should consider is that perhaps, just maybe, and very possibly, their truth applies only to them.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74651] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 14:54 |
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yes, i did assume, but whatever.
you're missing the point, my faith IS the only way, i dont care about what other religions believe. the Bible, which is the source for my beliefs, tells me that there is only ONE God and you can only have salvation through Him and ONLY through Him. believe what you wish, but like i said, until you believe those two absolute truths that i outlined, you will not have eternal salvation. i also do know what the afterlife is going to be like in generalization. Heaven will be bliss, better than anything you are able to imagine. Hell is going to be horrible, going to be eternal death.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74661] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 16:03 |
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NukeIt15
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believe what you wish, but like i said, until you believe those two absolute truths that i outlined, you will not have eternal salvation. i also do know what the afterlife is going to be like in generalization. Heaven will be bliss, better than anything you are able to imagine. Hell is going to be horrible, going to be eternal death.
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So go ahead and believe that. While you're busy "knowing" what will happen to me when I die, I'm busy "knowing" that you haven't quite grasped the concept that truth is not defined by your beliefs alone. YOUR truth is not the same as MY truth. Get it yet?
On a side note: I'd rather wind up in eternal pain than be told what to believe, and if that's what happens...so be it. I ceased worrying about that long ago; what happens after I die will be dealt with when I get there. At least I'll go to my grave knowing that I lived my life in a way that I felt was meaningful and enjoyable.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74666] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 16:19 |
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The absolute truths, interestingly enough, change whenever a new religion becomes the dominant one in the world. What you choose to accept as truth is up to you, but yours isn't the only truth out there. Everyone's got their own brand of absolute truth to peddle- the only problem is that none of them are absolute. Your truth, my truth, and everyone else's as well, are all dependant on the different ways in which we have been brought up, what choices we have made, and even the chemicals bubbling around up in our brains. Had I been raised like you, I would probably think the same way you do. Had you been raised the way I was, you would share my beliefs. "Truth" is subjective.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74667] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 16:20 |
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warranto
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There is no "Absolute Truth" to Religion. If it were, Religion would be a structure of science rather than a set of beliefs. We BELIEVE that our religion is right, yet we have no way of knowing whether it is or not. There is no proof for it, as well as no proof against it. Yes I am a Christian, and yes I BELIEVE that our way is the best way (if, at least, it's not the perfect way), however, I do not KNOW it to be that way.
And yes, I'm using the literal meanings of belief and knowledge.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74669] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 16:33 |
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whether or not i would grow up believing different truths, that doesn't stop the fact that there are absolute truths out there. the Bible has absolute truths. if you are a beliver and you don't believe that, i would say, read your bible again and truly think about what it is you believe then. i can say with confidence that i KNOW that there are absolute truths and that my belief is correct.
Luckily, it is because i believe in my faith that i know there are absolute truths. i have faith in what i believe in and it causes me to believe and know about the absolute truths.
Warranto, i would seriously tell you to read your Bible again. you seem to overlook the fact that in the Bible Christ says, and EXTREMELY CLEARLY, that he is the only way to Heaven.
I don't believe I'm perfect or I am exactly correct on my beliefs, I am far from perfect. There are absolute truths, today's world teaches that there are none and that when times change, so does truth. If truth changes, then in 1000 years is one plus one going to equal 6,000,000?
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74687] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 18:05 |
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so you believe in a higher being? i don't want to cram the Bible down peoples' throats, but I seriously think it would solve many of your problems.
Most people that i've talked to who aren't believers have tried to commit suicide one or more times. I have never tried to commit suicide and I know that I will never try to commit suicide. Some of it has to do with my upbringings, but generally, I have never been in a deep depression because I have something to hold onto.
I am available for questioning if anyone has any questions on God and the Bible. I should be able to answer most of your questions, but I do not have all of the answers. If I don't know an answer, I will consult my teachers and principal and try to see if they can answer your question. You can talk to me on AIM, MSN, and Yahoo! Messengers.
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