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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73761] |
Thu, 25 March 2004 10:49   |
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K9Trooper
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ALL Religions say that though. It wouldn't BE a religion if they acknowledged that their way was wrong and you should worship another God.
And, just for clarification, Praying to someone is fine. The first commandment states "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The saints and Jesus' monther, Mary are NOT Gods. Nor do we worship them as such.
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So I feel Gibson is going to skew this movie to he hard-line views and expect us to take it.
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Though I'm a little confused by this statement... what is it we're not supposed to take from this movie? It's all taken straight out of the bible. The only stuff that could even be potentially false are the particulars not mentioned. Jesus WAS betrayed, WAS whipped and scourged, DID have to carry the cross, WAS crucified, DID die and was taken down, and DID rise on the third day. Thats all the movie showed, so how i this taking hard-line views and scewing the movie because of it?
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It is no secret the the Catholic religion picked and choose what books should be in the Bible and left out several book because they feard it would undermine the power of the Catholic Church.
I have never heard a Lutheran minister say that Catholic's or any other Christian based believers are going to hell.
Sorry will finish later have to go.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73892] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 07:40 |
KIRBY098
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It is no secret the the Catholic religion picked and choose what books should be in the Bible and left out several book because they feard it would undermine the power of the Catholic Church.
I have never heard a Lutheran minister say that Catholic's or any other Christian based believers are going to hell.
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I wonder why they wouldn't say that of a Catholic or other Christian based religion... maybe because we all believe in the same God?
As for the choise books that go in the bible, as far as I understand, most of them are because they are unable to be confirmed that they were actually about Jesus, and not something made up... though they may be based in fact. Now this is not saying that there may be some that contain stories that undermine the idea the Church is trying to uphold, but I have seen no proof of this. (Dead Sea scrolls aside)
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Do any of you really believe that the creator of the universe is so incompetent that he couldn't preserve what he wanted to keep in the bible, and throw out the rest?
I prefer to think he is quite competent to preserve the integrity of his own word.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73895] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 09:22 |
KIRBY098
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We pray to them, yes.. but we don't treat them as Gods. Just to clarify that point.
As for the creator being incompetent, nothing to worry about there. Humans on the other hand...
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Why? Does the Bible call for this? Did Jesus? Then why do it? They are DEAD, and no different than any other dead human. If the son of god didn't tell you to institute a hierarchy, and install men in between him and you, then why do you believe that this method is correct? Surely you must realize now after these scandals, that having intercessors of human nature is flawed because humans are flawed.
Romans 8
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died – more than that, who was raised to life – is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
Show me where it says MARY or any other human intercedes on our behalf through prayer? And why bother when you could go directly to the son of god? Do the humans have more leverage with him? I think not. This practice is the result of flawed human logic, and rationalization. Not scripture.
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The competent creator chose competent humans to relate his messages. End result is a relevant, competent and reliable message. Good thing Noah was competent. Same goes for the Apostles. Do you really think God would chose someone, and then not make sure what he wrote was EXACTLY what he wanted in his scriptures? Divine inspiration, and guidance are real, and relevant.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73951] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 14:13 |
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warranto
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Well, since divine inspiration is real (I wanted to avoid this concept incase some people here would call it a cop-out), then I have two words for you. The Pope. Through divine inspiration, surely the leader of Gods Religion would not cause him to make mistakes. Through scripture, Jesus gave St. Peter authority over the church and whatever he "binds or looses" on Earth will be given Divine Ratification.
Hmm.. I guess then, if the Pope, through the successors St. Peter, is deemed infallible by God, then I guess praying to Mary and the Saints for strength is fine, and the books that never made it into the bible, were never ment to go in! Thanks for making my job easier!
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73958] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 14:42 |
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the pope has no power at all, he's just a politcal figure in my eyes.
If the pope says, "Jump!" I'll say "Why ain't u jumpin'?"
Now I need to get help from my teacher with an answer to ur response. All I know is that your statement is false. Not quite sure how I'm gonna support that point by myself.
Kids, this is why it is so important to read your Bible every day.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74314] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 07:48 |
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I don't have a grudge, I just realize that the Catholic church leaves you feeling empty. I had nothing to believe in when I was a Catholic.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
Christ IS the Son of God, no if ands or buts. The death of Christ is God's renewing of his old testament covanant to His children. Now, you can only get to Heaven through Him and only Him. There was never a limbo...there was a Paradise and a Hell. Paradise is no longer, but Hell still remains until it is cast into the Lake of Fire.
You just don't get it, just because you learn something in school, doesn't make it truth. if i learned in school that God is a purple, flying donkey, then I guess that he must be one.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74377] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 14:40 |
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im sorry that me reading the Bible makes me an idiot. ur an even bigger idiot than i thought, Bible thumping? how is my school bible thumping? we spread God's Word. I thought that's what my faith tells me to do.
OMG...i just read your post again...you're a MORON.
THE BIBLE says that only CHRIST can intercede for us. THE BIBLE IS INERRANT, WITHOUT ERROR. If you don't believe that, then you're not a true believer. WAKE UP AND RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH; it's smacking you in the face so hard that it's making you even more stupid. BTW...the Bible is God's Spoken Word, he's not going to let it get messed up in passing generations. He's not a careless God, he's perfect to the friggen T.
BTW...don't consider me a part of your religion. religion is full of rules and guidelines. What I believe in is my faith, I don't have to believe the same thing as everyone else does. Yes, i do have guidelines and rules to my faith, but it's not like there's a noose around my neck.
One more thing, along with Limbo, where the hell does the Bible say there is a Pergatory? JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS, we dont' have to work them off, MORON. If we had to work them off, then there's no point in having God's grace and mercy if we can do it ourselves. You need to wake up and read the Bible and try to understand it or else you'll be just as one described in Revelation that will be in front of Jesus and says, "i did all those great things for you in your name." and he will say, "part from me, i never knew you."
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74396] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 15:30 |
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won't be so glad when u die. eternity of darkness. eternity of being lost. you will be next to people, but you won't even know they're there. just think...BLACK...i mean...BLACK environment, eternity of being lost. imagine being a little kid losing his mother in a supermarket, the fear and the worry that's in that kid. MANY MANY MANY times worse than that in Hell. Think of something that you absolutely feel uncomfortable doing, seeing, feeling. Hell will be many times worse than that feeling.
also, what's the harm in believing in something if we're just gonna end up dust in the wind when we die? i know that there is no end to life. there is a definite end to mortal life. In Hell you'll be suffering an eternal death, over and over and over and over and over and over and over for eternity, NO ENDING. One day after another, one year after another, one century after another, one millenium after another and so on and so forth.
if you believe in no afterlife, what's wrong in believing something? it's not gonna harm you at all because there would be no consequences to believing a higher being.
think about this, how can you have beings appear out of nothing? the big bang, ok, how did the explosion happen, what exploded? how did those come to be in the first place? there has to be some sort of higher being out there. it just so happens to be that THE ONE AND ONLY God that I believe in is the true creator and only creator of the universe and everything it contains. Bible has been proven to be inerrant. And if it wasn't true, why would so many people spend years trying to disprove something that would disprove itself if it was false? how can 1 book with 40 different authors deliver one message and not have any conflicts in it? it's divine, it's the truth, it can't be disproven.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #74404] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 16:32 |
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Alright, this is kind of old, but about the raven part (forgive me if it's been debated already ;\)...
I saw it with some people from a local church, and afterwards the theology professor, who was the host of the outing, said that the raven part wasn't distinctivly in the Bible, but it was more of a common occurrence among crucifixions. The criminal would be crucified, and ravens would come to the cross and peck their eyes out, for whatever "nutricious" reasons they had. I think Gibson put this into the movie just to add a more realistic aspect to the whole scene, unless his methodist (If that's what he is) beliefs support the raven occurrence for some religious standpoint.
"God isn't on our side either, cuz he hates idiots also."
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