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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41077] |
Wed, 20 August 2003 15:39   |
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Titan1x77
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Everyones Different...Most people are kind to others and are willing to help,some are not as kind.
I Dont mind helping newcomers...Renegade Isn't as enjoyable as it once was...nothing lasts forever...with a few decent maps,we extend the life of Renegade.
Someone wants to show off there new model of a gun or whatever...expect to be thrown some negative comments...theres 2 ways to Learn...on your own or by others...ACK chooses to let everyone learn on there own.....I believe a good teacher will help people learn quicker and more efficiently.
Who really cares what others do in there spare time...I dont care if someone produces 1000 crappy maps and posts them all up for comments...if they ask for help I'll let em now whats wrong if I have the time for them.
I dont care that ACK bashes them either....tell them all of there work sucks,Flame back and forth all day,Its not my forums.
Tell me how bad my maps suck...It doesnt bother me.
I asked for Help...didnt recieve any but it couldnt hurt to ask.
"But if the gameplay sucks, the looks don't matter at all." - Sir Phoenixx
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41086] |
Wed, 20 August 2003 15:50 |
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Titan1x77
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The funny thing is that they're all gone, but I'm still here. Such irony...
They aren't the last to follow that road. Many here have done the same thing, and they're gone. I know of a few people who will head down that path, and quickly. They always seem to fade away without anyone really remembering, nor caring.
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You paid your dues...I refer to the "silver spoon" comment in regards to alot of your maps were "pre-exisiting"....most of us didnt have anything to start with nor the contacts you were blessed with....yet you seem to be ungrateful of what you have had handed to you and fail to share that with other's...Your choice,I just think your a bit selfish when it comes to helping others,Considering others have helped you...You'd think you'd be happy to share the knowledge or WW models with other's to help make Maps for the game we all love.
"But if the gameplay sucks, the looks don't matter at all." - Sir Phoenixx
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41093] |
Wed, 20 August 2003 15:57 |
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boma57
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| Titan1x77 |
You'd think you'd be happy to share the knowledge or WW models with other's to help make Maps for the game we all love.
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Due to the fact that Westwood was never a company to graciously hand out the most precious aspects of their games, I'm sure part of the deal which allowed ACK to obtain the models in the first place involved him not just distributing them to anyone who wants them.
And even had it not, why would he want to? As far as maps go, anyway.
They weren't finished, that's why they weren't in the game from the get-go. A map-maker wouldn't just release a half-finished map when he had plans of completing it in the future.
If you want to learn from the models, it's not too hard to simply wait for ACK to release them completed, then open them up and figure out whatever you wanted to in the first place.
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41100] |
Wed, 20 August 2003 16:04 |
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Yeah, I do not remember many from the past.....once looked back upon this seems like a rags to riches tale......the supposidly proclaimed 'weak' by a certain group of people that turns out in the end that the so called weak prevails to be the strongest by out reaching the others goals and wits. The only reason I could think of to mod this game would be to entertain good friends and hardcore players of the Renegade....For sticking together when others left, those who forsaked this game just becuase of it's lack of support and that they wouldn't get off their ass and give mods,maps, spirit. Because in their minds they saw a future of a dead rotted game which was reflected on themselves from their lack of participation in saving the game from a quick death....that they thought just becuase they didn't do shit others in the community would not do any either....as you can see most of those people are gone now, leaving only the few who want this game to go on further than it is supposed to, and have a thriving community of friends. Sure we still have our difference of opinions on how things in this community should now be, but hey, it's good to have different opinions with such a large group of people so it is not one sided. Yeah, ACK and others maybe take jabs of critism that may seems adrupt and harsh. Just keep your head up, don't let the insults hurt you, they are critizing your work not you (unless you be an ass back for what they say creating contreversy, old time enemies...ect), and just means you have to do a better job next time if you want to successfully turn their heads.
That was supposed to stop at the rags to riches part.....
Oh well indeed ACK. 
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41117] |
Wed, 20 August 2003 16:26 |
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Aircraftkiller
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| Titan1x77 |
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The funny thing is that they're all gone, but I'm still here. Such irony...
They aren't the last to follow that road. Many here have done the same thing, and they're gone. I know of a few people who will head down that path, and quickly. They always seem to fade away without anyone really remembering, nor caring.
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You paid your dues...I refer to the "silver spoon" comment in regards to alot of your maps were "pre-exisiting"....most of us didnt have anything to start with nor the contacts you were blessed with....yet you seem to be ungrateful of what you have had handed to you and fail to share that with other's...Your choice,I just think your a bit selfish when it comes to helping others,Considering others have helped you...You'd think you'd be happy to share the knowledge or WW models with other's to help make Maps for the game we all love.
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Stop trying to play off on pity, as if you're the victim or something. You're far from the victim, more like the instigator.
None of my levels except City Flying Exp were pre-existing, and even then it isn't mine. I don't claim it as mine. I only say I modified the level, because that's all I did.
I wasn't "blessed with contacts," I had to work hard to be noticed by anyone. That includes the members of the development team.
See that word? See where it says "seems?" What does "seems" mean in that context? It means you're using your viewpoint and are trying to force that viewpoint on others by telling everyone that I'm ungrateful in your eyes, therefore that means everyone should view me in that sense. You don't know what happened. You were not there for any of the meetings I had with the team members and you had nothing to do with the development of the game.
No, I'm not giving you anything I have. It's none of your fucking business, to put it in the best possible terms. Just because you want something doesn't mean that you deserve it. Who am I to say that? Oh, I don't know, maybe I'm the person who holds the rights on the things I possess, therefore - I make the judgements on how they are distributed.
No one but me. I know you don't like it. I, frankly, do not care. As you said, I paid my dues. You did not.
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41343] |
Thu, 21 August 2003 05:51 |
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Havoc_elite
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The funny thing is that they're all gone, but I'm still here. Such irony...
They aren't the last to follow that road. Many here have done the same thing, and they're gone. I know of a few people who will head down that path, and quickly. They always seem to fade away without anyone really remembering, nor caring.
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You paid your dues...I refer to the "silver spoon" comment in regards to alot of your maps were "pre-exisiting"....most of us didnt have anything to start with nor the contacts you were blessed with....yet you seem to be ungrateful of what you have had handed to you and fail to share that with other's...Your choice,I just think your a bit selfish when it comes to helping others,Considering others have helped you...You'd think you'd be happy to share the knowledge or WW models with other's to help make Maps for the game we all love.
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Stop trying to play off on pity, as if you're the victim or something. You're far from the victim, more like the instigator.
None of my levels except City Flying Exp were pre-existing, and even then it isn't mine. I don't claim it as mine. I only say I modified the level, because that's all I did.
I wasn't "blessed with contacts," I had to work hard to be noticed by anyone. That includes the members of the development team.
See that word? See where it says "seems?" What does "seems" mean in that context? It means you're using your viewpoint and are trying to force that viewpoint on others by telling everyone that I'm ungrateful in your eyes, therefore that means everyone should view me in that sense. You don't know what happened. You were not there for any of the meetings I had with the team members and you had nothing to do with the development of the game.
No, I'm not giving you anything I have. It's none of your fucking business, to put it in the best possible terms. Just because you want something doesn't mean that you deserve it. Who am I to say that? Oh, I don't know, maybe I'm the person who holds the rights on the things I possess, therefore - I make the judgements on how they are distributed.
No one but me. I know you don't like it. I, frankly, do not care. As you said, I paid my dues. You did not.
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Deserve it? Does that realy has anything to with it? Yea sure in a big way it does, but when a map makers asks you for some models only you have, why say no? Becouse it are YOUR models? Becouse only you can use them? Becouse you want to be famous of models only YOU have?
Why not keep the intire map for yourself then... by definition... ITS YOURS ISNT IT?
Sometimes your just some kid and his pencils, 'mine mine mine!' If I mannage to get something noone els gets it from me! Thats your motto in live right?
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No, I'm not giving you anything I have. It's none of your fucking business, to put it in the best possible terms. Just because you want something doesn't mean that you deserve it. Who am I to say that? Oh, I don't know, maybe I'm the person who holds the rights on the things I possess, therefore - I make the judgements on how they are distributed.
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You have the rights? If you made it you have the rights... if you got it from a verry deep internet source only acceseble by you for that matter, its not your right.
Now ACK, Anser the next question unless you realy like all the atention your getting and want this flame topic to go on and on till it reaches 400 posts again and gets closed. (You must be loving this, all this attention. You had some bad child hood or something?) WHY keep models for yourself and not share it with others to xperiment with? Its a verry simple question so just anser it.
ACK's second motto in live? All kinds of attention is attention. Nagative or positive. Even if someone curses him to death... MAN HES LOVING IT! (Lets see what happands when we all dont talk to ACK for a week... when we all just dont give a shit about others like he does)
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41348] |
Thu, 21 August 2003 06:56 |
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Darkeye 35
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Havoc if you made something, and you were really proud of it, would you want others making cheap, crappy rip offs of it, that then could be released to the public?
If I made something that I thought was impressive, released it for public modification, then found the same map with crappy new features and stuff, it would be a disappointment.
I wouldn't give out my stuff to a lot of people- I am no modeller, but I can speak for others when I see a lot of, not lame, but poor quality work. I wouldn't want my work getting into the hands of these people when they are going to inflict this kinda thing on my own work.
Perhaps releasing it to a few well known, experienced modellers maybe, but not first time amateurs :S
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41605] |
Thu, 21 August 2003 18:57 |
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Aircraftkiller
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Deserve it? Does that realy has anything to with it? Yea sure in a big way it does, but when a map makers asks you for some models only you have, why say no? Becouse it are YOUR models? Becouse only you can use them? Becouse you want to be famous of models only YOU have?
Why not keep the intire map for yourself then... by definition... ITS YOURS ISNT IT?
Sometimes your just some kid and his pencils, 'mine mine mine!' If I mannage to get something noone els gets it from me! Thats your motto in live right?
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Why do I say no? Because it's my choice to say no. It isn't your choice. Stop raising a hissy-fucking-fit over it because you don't get something that you want from me. It isn't my duty or job to give you anything I have. I receive no compensation from it. I get nothing at all. I do not give my hard work out to others when I will receive nothing at all. Once again, I tell you to shut the fuck up and get over it.
Why not keep the levels to myself? Gee, where have you been? There's been only one level I've released to the public and that was the River Raid source file. Nothing else has been given out because it's not my job to let you get off free without having to do any real work. Why should I have to do things for you, so only you benefit?
Get off the floor, you're kicking and screaming a bit too much... Have some dignity, dude.
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You have the rights? If you made it you have the rights... if you got it from a verry deep internet source only acceseble by you for that matter, its not your right.
Now ACK, Anser the next question unless you realy like all the atention your getting and want this flame topic to go on and on till it reaches 400 posts again and gets closed. (You must be loving this, all this attention. You had some bad child hood or something?) WHY keep models for yourself and not share it with others to xperiment with? Its a verry simple question so just anser it.
ACK's second motto in live? All kinds of attention is attention. Nagative or positive. Even if someone curses him to death... MAN HES LOVING IT! (Lets see what happands when we all dont talk to ACK for a week... when we all just dont give a shit about others like he does)
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...You don't have to make something to control the rights of it. Electronic Arts didn't create the Westwood 3D engine, yet they own the copyrights on it. Why? Because Greg Hjelstrom signed over the rights for it when he left Westwood Studios, that's why.
When Westwood Studios transferred their assets to me, I received the copyrights to the assets along with the assets themselves.
Why keep what I have for myself and not release it for others? Because I'm not a god damned moron, I know exactly what you want to do. You're trying to get the stuff out of me, considering you already hate me, then you can dispose of me later on because you think I have nothing else to give you. If I don't give you anything at all, you sit here and whine about it while I keep working on other creations of mine. There are a few reasons, one of which I named, and another which would be the copyrights. I cannot go around giving away what I own to people unless I feel like losing the ability to protect my property. I'm not going to give you my car and then ask for it back later on, you know. I'd never get it back.
You don't know my philosophy on life or what my purpose in life is. Please shut the fuck up, remove your cranium from your rectal sphincter and clean your face off of the brown shit. Thank you, I appreciate it.
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41614] |
Thu, 21 August 2003 19:19 |
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Im sure thats not what Westwood's purpose for thoose model's were.Why do people realse source models? For people to LEARN from...Not for people for peple to hold forthemselfs.
If companys held the SDK and modkits for games to themselfs do you think he game would be more popular?
I don't want this to continue every week a ack flame topic starts. Instead of saying "You n00b" or "You idot" you oculd help people with there mods/models/map instead of saying its shit.That is driving people away.
You jsut made your first model that you spent hours on, you register up on the forums and post it and it get told its shit and basiclly quit modding(or the game) the community loses a potiential contributer or mods.
I respect you as a modder but bot as a person, you pretty much cheated your way to the top and you push everyone else who wants to be DOWN.
And you start a flame war over silly thign s such as a simple typo or gramer error or somone who says MOD or NOD.
Farewell.
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41624] |
Thu, 21 August 2003 19:46 |
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Im sure thats not what Westwood's purpose for thoose model's were.Why do people realse source models? For people to LEARN from...Not for people for peple to hold forthemselfs.
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No. You don't learn anything from something that's already complete. You can't learn how C works by looking at the Quake 3 source code, you also can't learn how to skin by simply looking at someone's skin.
Companies release the source of their games when they know they will not make any profit or gain anything from keeping it to themselves. id Software released the source code to Doom, and all of their current Quake games except for Quake 3 for free to the public. Why? Because it no longer benefited them, the engines were obsolete and there was no point in keeping the source to themselves.
When you create a model and skin it, and release it to the public for others to use, you're giving it away because it doesn't benefit you if you keep it for yourself, and it would actually benefit you more if you were to give it away.
Keeping the sources for the maps would benefit ACK alot more than if he were to just give it away.
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If companys held the SDK and modkits for games to themselfs do you think he game would be more popular?
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We're not talking about SDKs or MDKs, we're talking about the actual source for the game, the base of the game, what they used to compile and put together to form the game.
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You jsut made your first model that you spent hours on, you register up on the forums and post it and it get told its shit and basiclly quit modding(or the game) the community loses a potiential contributer or mods.
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If you can't take a single comment from one person, and quit because of it, you shouldn't be here in the first place.
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And you start a flame war over silly thign s such as a simple typo or gramer error or somone who says MOD or NOD.
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Correcting someone's grammar doesn't in any way make a flame war. It's the reply to his correction that starts the flaming. Person A corrects Person B's spelling: "Remember, it's 'things", not "thign s", and Person B replies with: "hey dumass i dun't hav good englisch stupidt, blah blah blah.". The flaming started with Person B's reply, not Person A's corrections.
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41698] |
Fri, 22 August 2003 01:00 |
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Havoc_elite
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Why keep what I have for myself and not release it for others? Because I'm not a god damned moron, I know exactly what you want to do. You're trying to get the stuff out of me, considering you already hate me, then you can dispose of me later on because you think I have nothing else to give you. If I don't give you anything at all, you sit here and whine about it while I keep working on other creations of mine. There are a few reasons, one of which I named, and another which would be the copyrights. I cannot go around giving away what I own to people unless I feel like losing the ability to protect my property. I'm not going to give you my car and then ask for it back later on, you know. I'd never get it back.
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Dude I dont know a thing about modding OR map making... im just telling you becouse you keep the community from growing and want all respect to yourself.
And a car is something WAY diffrent then map or mod models... where the hell did you get the idea of a car from????
But anyway... what your basicly saying is that you want to hold the growing of the community back becouse it is YOUR work? Thats not called copyrights... thats called selfish, there is no other way around it.
Just becouse I bought this computer im working on now doesnt mean my friends cant use it, if they need to look for something on the net... be my geust.
Lets take for example my drawings (something Im realy good at), if someone asks me: 'Can we use those drawings for the school children to color?' why would I have any problems with it? As long as you can make sure you dont gonna take credit for it.
So when you do give someone your models, you could just allow him to use them as long as he refers your name in the review or the map/mod name.
And you are right about that motto thing I wrote at the bottom of the post, I got carried away and my appologies for that.
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| "We all know you hate something better than yours" [message #41715] |
Fri, 22 August 2003 01:59 |
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Havoc_elite
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You hold yourselves back with your excuses for everything. It's always my fault that you can't do something. It's always my fault that you leave. It's always my fault that you fail.
NEWS FLASH - IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT YOU FAIL, YOUR FAULT THAT YOU SUCK, YOUR FAULT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND YOUR FAULT THAT YOU BITCH AND MOAN.
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I never said its your fault someone cant do anything... if a map maker steps out becouse of one stupid negative comment... thats his own stupid mistake if he cant take comment.
I fully know what im doing, and i take it so do you, but I never said anything about everything being your fault... i just said what your BASICLY saying with your attitude.
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I don't know how to take this. It seems like you're saying that my work is so awesome and excellent, that you need to have it in order to progress, or else you won't be able to learn. News flash - you learn through experimentation. You don't learn by having people hand everything to you.
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Ofcourse you dont learn if everything gets handed to you, and ofcourse mistakes are there to learn. But to take my drawing skils as an example, i learned drawing as good as i do now by looking at others and using theire techniqe. Same goes for my HTML skils... I use other ppl scripts sometimes but I modifie it to my own needs... and that isnt always easy in 75 page document, to find exactly the things you need to change.
Point is you always learn from what your doing, you either learn something you can use more often... or something you should never do again.
Get my point?
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