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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18004] |
Thu, 01 May 2003 09:20   |
KIRBY098
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Yes, he is. He argues semantics, and goes in circles. All the while claiming we are contradicting ourselves. :rolleyes:
Never argue with an idiot. they drag you to thier level, and beat you with experience.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18089] |
Thu, 01 May 2003 17:37 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
you're thinking about everything from an American viewpoint. The Iraqi people aren't American...no matter how much you want them to be. Other countries have more of a Theocracy than America...They dont have freedom of religion. What about the Egyptians enslaving the Jews? were they their own people? I mean...they were born and grew up there for Generations upon Generations.
All your attacks are based upon your opinions about me. If I didnt know better...I'd say you were just arguing because you dont like me. In a 4 paragraph post...only one of them wasn't calling me an idiot. Stop arguing for arguements sake.
I could think of many more examples like the "Egyptians enslaving their own people" as you would put it. America did it with African Americans...for centuries they were born and raised in the USA...Not to mention the Indians from which we stole this land. And during the dark ages when people accused of heresy were tortured untill they confessed to the right thing and then were killed or were just tortured to death...they didn't see that as killing their own people...they saw it as redemption or some crap like that. I'm not saying he was right in gassing them...but the arguement that they were his own people holds little water...as he and the people around him did not see them as his people
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Look's like someone never paid attention in class... This would fit under Geography, the Nation and it's people, nationality, etc.
Lol... Now you're desperately trying to find some little thing to hold on to... Believe me, history isn't your thing, niether is Geography, or anything else. You really need to set yourself back a grade or two and re-learn 6-7th grade Geography and History, because you really need it.
Now for the fun part, correcting your stupid comments. You really amaze me with your ability to come up with even dumber stuff for every reply to every discussion.
"you're thinking about everything from an American viewpoint." Oh an "American viewpoint". I guess Geography, Politics and History are only known to and used in America, and we have to resort to using extremely flawed logic and stupid statements to support our arguments, like you?
" The Iraqi people aren't American...no matter how much you want them to be. Wow, they're not Americans? I could have sworn they were!!?! Lol... Come on dumbass, isn't it kind of obvious that they aren't Americans? This has nearly nothing to do with what country they are or are not from. They were born, and are living in the same country--which would make them citizens of that country--under it's leader, they are his people.
"What about the Egyptians enslaving the Jews? were they their own people? I mean...they were born and grew up there for Generations upon Generations" Yes. They were born and live in that country, no matter what religion they are, they are citizens of that country, they might have not been liked and were treated wrong, but they are their people.
"All your attacks are based upon your opinions about me. If I didnt know better...I'd say you were just arguing because you dont like me. In a 4 paragraph post...only one of them wasn't calling me an idiot. Stop arguing for arguements sake." Actually, I didn't call you an idiot in any one of those paragraphs, you idiot. Opinions? I wonder how many severely stupid comments filled with extremely flawed and twisted logic, and no facts in sight, that you have to post before your very low intelligence becomes fact. And yes, you don't know better.
"America did it with African Americans...for centuries they were born and raised in the USA..." For centuries? Slavery was abolished around the end of the civil war, which ended in 1865. America here for "centuries", hell, it wasn't even here for an entire century when Slavery was finally abolished. If you're going to use history to support your side, shouldn't you actually know at least a little bit about it?
"Not to mention the Indians from which we stole this land." First, they aren't Indians, they are Native Americans. Indians are those from India. Native Americans weren't enslaved in or by America, if any of them were, they were by maybe a couple plantations. African Americans made the vast majority of slaves.
"And during the dark ages when people accused of heresy were tortured untill they confessed to the right thing and then were killed or were just tortured to death...they didn't see that as killing their own people..." It was killing their own people dumbass. They were sentenced to death for a "crime", much like those who were accused of witchcraft.
"they saw it as redemption or some crap like that. " Oh yeah, I can see you know what you're talking about, or some crap like that.
"I'm not saying he was right in gassing them...but the arguement that they were his own people holds little water...as he and the people around him did not see them as his people" The argument--that a certain group of Iraqi citizens are part of their leaders people--doesn't hold water? How can you say that? Not one thing you've said thus far could hold frozen solid molasses.
You have no clue what-so-ever of what you're talking about, or anything else for that matter. Why do you keep coming back? You know you know nothing about what is being discussed, and every time you say something it's proven wrong immediately.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18133] |
Thu, 01 May 2003 23:57 |
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Ive already stated that other countries dont work the same was as America...alot of countries dont give a flying fuck about Geography...religion is what they go by. You are still looking at everything through an American viewpoint...and the inability to see the other side of the arguement just makes you ignorant
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if sadaam doesn't consider them his peole, then why did he force them to live under his rules?
you're an idiot duke.
even if sadaam didn't consider them "his people" the rest of the world did since he was excersizing control over them.
as for jews in egypt, blacks in american slavery, indians...
egypt "kidnapped" those jews from conquered nations. they became their property, not their people. even if they were born of slaves in egypt and grew up there, they were still not egyptians, they were property. the same holds true for blacks in american slavery... they were property sold by warring tribes in africa.
the indians in america were a conquered people. just like every other country in the history of the earth! someone ws always there before the current owners. indians were no different. through a series of wars, land deals and treaties, the current "owners" of america took over. just like england, italy, germany, iraq etc. please don't try to portray americans as evil because we took the land from the indians. we did far less to them than other nations did to the indigineous people on their current lands.
as for kurds... they are sadaam's people. there is no "law" in iraq calling them property. they are citizens of iraq. just like the shiites are citizens of iraq. sadaam treated them badly and killed many of them. in modern soceity, this is considered a bad thing.
now, please goaway you're wasting valuable pixels with your exercise in idiocy.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18152] |
Fri, 02 May 2003 05:55 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
Ive already stated that other countries dont work the same was as America...
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No one has said they do dumbass, Geography isn't just an American thing.
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You are still looking at everything through an American viewpoint...and the inability to see the other side of the arguement just makes you ignorant
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American viewpoint? Are you still stuck on this bullshit? Or are you just too stupid to realize that Geography isn't an "American Viewpoint". Your innability to see either side, understand anything, and to come up with an argument that has at least a single supporting fact, and logic that isn't extremely flawed and twisted. You have absolutely no clue about anything that has been discussed in this thread, but you manage to continue to post the same bullshit over and over again.
The argument is "rather or not those that were born and are living in iraq are Iraqi citizens". This has nothing to do with religion.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18174] |
Fri, 02 May 2003 09:32 |
KIRBY098
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And where, exactly, is the people's Republic of Kurdistan located?
Nowhere. It doesn't exist. Which means they belong to whatever country they live in. Do the Kurds living in Iran, and Turkey not belong to those respective countries?
What about the South vietnamese that you thought still had a country. If you ask the rulers of Vietnam, I think they would say there's no such animal, they are all just plain old vietnamese now. By your logic, Chechnyans are suddenly autonomous, and not subject to Russian rule, thus by your logic, not Russian citizens (Like it or not). Not according to the Russian government.
Once again, I hope you aren't on any debate team anywhere. They would lose soundly.
Maybee you could get a job in the U.N. inspecting nothing for 12 years, asking for "a little more time"...........
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18206] |
Fri, 02 May 2003 12:37 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
listen you stupid little twat. first off...it's not geography. Geography is the earth and it's different terrains. It's political...and some times politics are involved in Religion. The pope practically ran Europe during the middle ages.
This doesn't make it right...he was completely wrong in killing anyone...but they aren't his people...
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HA, Your complete and total ignorance and lack of intelligence really amazes me. It's a real mystery how they let you out of Elementary school.
Geography isn't "the earth and it's different terrains" you uneducated fool.
Let's visit the dictionary (something you are obviously unable to use):
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ge·og·ra·phy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (j-gr-f)
n. pl. ge·og·ra·phies
The study of the earth and its features and of the distribution of life on the earth, including human life and the effects of human activity.
The physical characteristics, especially the surface features, of an area.
A book on geography.
An ordered arrangement of constituent elements: charting a geography of the mind.
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[Latin gegraphia, from Greek gegraphi : ge-, geo- + -graphi, -graphy.]
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ge·ogra·pher n.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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geography
\Ge*og"ra*phy\, n.; pl. Geographies. [F. g['e]ographie, l. geographia, fr. Gr. ?; ge`a, gh^, the earth + ? description, fr. ? to write, describe. See Graphic.] 1. The science which treats of the world and its inhabitants; a description of the earth, or a portion of the earth, including its structure, fetures, products, political divisions, and the people by whom it is inhabited.
2. A treatise on this science.
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The dictionary definition of Geography is the science/study of the Earth, it's many regions, features, political divisions (governments), and those that inhabit it. Like I said before, this fits completely inside of Geography. The boundaries of a country (Iraq), and it's citizens ("inhabitants", which includes the Kurds). The Kurds are Iraqi citizens, and therefore are part of the people of the country's leader.
The pope was very powerful back then because they were based around the church.
Everything you come up with is completely out of context in the way you try to present it. Everything you try to use to support your end of the discussion has nothing to do with it. It is very obvious that you have no clue what so ever about what is being discussed, it is also very obvious that you have no clue what so ever about what you're trying to use to support your end of the discussion.
Your intelligence is completely outclassed by everyone on this board. Your pathetic attempts to prove otherwise are futile.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18385] |
Sat, 03 May 2003 10:09 |
Afromn96
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hey duke, dude just stop posting because everything that u have said is just ignorance. america does have the right 2 liberate IRAQ they torture their olympic athletes for not winning, for gods sake.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18674] |
Sun, 04 May 2003 22:45 |
spotelmo
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The pope practically ran Europe during the middle ages.
This doesn't make it right...he was completely wrong in killing anyone...but they aren't his people...
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although i'm not christian, i can tell you this... everyone on the earth is the "pope's people"
the pope has no borders and the vatican is a country of it's own, independent of any other country.
in the middle ages, it was the pope who crowned the kings of europe.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18700] |
Mon, 05 May 2003 05:39 |
KIRBY098
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| Duke of Nukes |
The pope practically ran Europe during the middle ages.
This doesn't make it right...he was completely wrong in killing anyone...but they aren't his people...
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although i'm not christian, i can tell you this... everyone on the earth is the "pope's people"
the pope has no borders and the vatican is a country of it's own, independent of any other country.
in the middle ages, it was the pope who crowned the kings of europe.
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That's a BIG negative, ghostrider.
I am NOT one of the pope's people. I consider him to be an agent of evil. Noone can claim divinity, or claim to represent GOD. Only God can represent himself. Anything else is a farce, and a mockery of God's plan for us to have a relationship with him. How can you possibly intimately know God, and try to understand what his will is, if you have a flawed man telling you?
Ask the altar boys who were raped by "God's representatives".
The Pope is the antichrist.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18713] |
Mon, 05 May 2003 09:17 |
spotelmo
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| Duke of Nukes |
The pope practically ran Europe during the middle ages.
This doesn't make it right...he was completely wrong in killing anyone...but they aren't his people...
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although i'm not christian, i can tell you this... everyone on the earth is the "pope's people"
the pope has no borders and the vatican is a country of it's own, independent of any other country.
in the middle ages, it was the pope who crowned the kings of europe.
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That's a BIG negative, ghostrider.
I am NOT one of the pope's people. I consider him to be an agent of evil. Noone can claim divinity, or claim to represent GOD. Only God can represent himself. Anything else is a farce, and a mockery of God's plan for us to have a relationship with him. How can you possibly intimately know God, and try to understand what his will is, if you have a flawed man telling you?
Ask the altar boys who were raped by "God's representatives".
The Pope is the antichrist.
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i didn't say he was your leader, i said you were his people 
i'm going by his job description and especially his influence in the middle ages. personally, i don't even believe in god so i couldn't care less about what the pope says but technically, he is there for me if i need him 
and duke is still an idiot.(wanted to make sure we don't lose sight of what's important )
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18761] |
Mon, 05 May 2003 12:55 |
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While I respect your right to believe that way, you can read, and discern those things on your own.
That's why the Bible was made available. Jesus spoke in parables to force us to think, not to pave the way for a hierarchy to discern it for us. He didn't say to establish the hierarchy either. His emphasis was on a PERSONAL relationship with God, not one put through a faulty human filter that rapes altar boys.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18855] |
Mon, 05 May 2003 17:30 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
The pope practically ran Europe during the middle ages.
This doesn't make it right...he was completely wrong in killing anyone...but they aren't his people...
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although i'm not christian, i can tell you this... everyone on the earth is the "pope's people"
the pope has no borders and the vatican is a country of it's own, independent of any other country.
in the middle ages, it was the pope who crowned the kings of europe.
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That's a BIG negative, ghostrider.
I am NOT one of the pope's people. I consider him to be an agent of evil. Noone can claim divinity, or claim to represent GOD. Only God can represent himself. Anything else is a farce, and a mockery of God's plan for us to have a relationship with him. How can you possibly intimately know God, and try to understand what his will is, if you have a flawed man telling you?
Ask the altar boys who were raped by "God's representatives".
The Pope is the antichrist.
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i hate 2 tell u but Catholic preists arent the only ones who rape little boys. Christian Priests do it just as much but the news only focuses on the catholics. and yes god can be represented by people who do u think the prophets were, and his son.
AFRO_MAN96 [wol names:Afromn96, sicilian69]
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18899] |
Mon, 05 May 2003 21:18 |
spotelmo
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i didn't say he was your leader, i said you were his people
i'm going by his job description and especially his influence in the middle ages. personally, i don't even believe in god so i couldn't care less about what the pope says but technically, he is there for me if i need him
and duke is still an idiot.(wanted to make sure we don't lose sight of what's important )
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Catholics are his "people".
My personal distaste for Duke's arguing semantics and cicular logic, applies to anyone who speaks on topics they know nothing about. All Christians are NOT Catholic, and the Pope is a Catholic appointed leader of the Catholic faith. If you "need" him, then you are Catholic.
If you need further instruction on this, fire up Encarta and look up "Protestant reformation", or you can go to Ireland and ask them what they think about the whole Catholic vs Protestant thing.
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i can't believe i'm defending a guy who represents a god i don't believe in. but, here goes...
the pope is supposed to care about and help all people of the world regardless of their religion or lack there of. this is why he steps in and gives his opinion(like we care) with every situation going on in the world. now, catholics are the only ones who "have" to listen to him, but he is still there for everyone.
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