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| Re: Obama [message #485037 is a reply to message #476704] |
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Aircraftkiller
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You're serious? In that case, start linking from places that aren't right-wing bubbles. I mean, you did know that TheBlaze is Glenn Beck's mouthpiece, right? And I'm sure you knew that NewsMax is just another site that goes LOLBERAL MEDIA BIASES!!1 without any actual proof of it, so anything else they say is suspect at best. Let's try somewhere like... I don't know, Slate. Slate's a bit slanted in the liberal direction, but the CBO numbers don't lie.
/Also, you don't even live here lol
//Why aren't you getting your news from reputable sources?
///Also, you live in Netherlands don't you? You want our country to have shitty healthcare that isn't like yours? DOES NOT COMPUTE
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| Re: Obama [message #485048 is a reply to message #476704] |
Sat, 28 December 2013 07:14 |
iRANian
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Good thing you can link me an article from a magazine well known for its contrarian positions, instead of a respectable newspaper or media company. :/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/11/04/49-state-analysis-obamacare -to-increase-individual-market-premiums-by-avg-of-41-subsidies-flow-to-elderly/
Why are you getting so mad btw?
>/Also, you don't even live here lol
So I'm not allowed or incapable of finding it hilarious? Do you only read news about the US? Many people around the world read US news for the laughs and we also get news about the US from news companies in our own country because the Obama presidency is hilariously incompetent, outrageously scandalous and very extremist.
>//Why aren't you getting your news from reputable sources?
Mainstream (economic) news companies aren't reputable? Forbes.com is a fringe website?
>///Also, you live in Netherlands don't you? You want our country to have shitty healthcare that isn't like yours? DOES NOT COMPUTE
What are you saying? That ObamaCare is better than what the US had before? LOL
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| Re: Obama [message #485058 is a reply to message #476704] |
Sat, 28 December 2013 14:17 |
iRANian
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ad hominem and moving the goalposts!
good thing you can't actually discredit forbes.com or something
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| Re: Obama [message #485067 is a reply to message #476704] |
Sat, 28 December 2013 21:06 |
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Kamuix
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everyone's been discussing the topic is a serious note what's wrong with having a discussion with an open mind and listening to what others have to say and taking that from an open minded view? how is that trolling?
And Instead of just attacking someone with all your anger because they said something that you don't agree with at first. be open minded, be willing to listen to others and be skeptical of your own beliefs along with others, don't put yourself or your opinion above others keep yourself equal to everyone, that's how we grow on a spiritual level if you know what I mean.
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| Re: Obama [message #485071 is a reply to message #485061] |
Sun, 29 December 2013 10:04 |
iRANian
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sat, 28 December 2013 15:55 |
I'm not moving goalposts lol, just trolling a troll post. If you wanted actual discussion you could start off by not citing highly partisan garbage like NRO/Brietbart/WND/etc.
If it sucks and doesn't work, that's fine with me. It'll get replaced with single-payer and we're then on our way toward European style healthcare.
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I'm citing forbes.com. Stop trolling and stop moving the goal post onto what you think is "highly partisan garbage", try actually disproving articles instead of poisoning the well.
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| Re: Obama [message #485072 is a reply to message #485021] |
Sun, 29 December 2013 20:38 |
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Aircraftkiller
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| iRANian wrote on Fri, 27 December 2013 03:54 |
Obama is extremely left wing. Must suck to see your family's health care costs rising (except for the very poor). It's a gigantic government program that makes the majority of Americans poorer and more dependent on the state. Very leftist so.
The fact of the matter that Obama doesn't care how awfully it's being implemented and his constant lying about it shows how much he gives a fuck about anyone but his rich health care companies donors.
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You know why I called you a troll? Because your first statement was a marvel of stupidity. Obama is conservative here and pretty sharply conservative in relation to other countries.
A list of some pretty conservative things Oblahma has done from the earlier source:
-Escalated the Afghanistan War (Added 30,000 More Troops)
-Has Ordered Drone Strikes (Assassinations) on US Citizens Outside the Country
-Gave Drug Companies Near Monopoly Power by Barring Imports, Extending Patents and Not Allowing the Government to Negotiate Better Prices
-Funneled Billions into the Biggest Banks in the Country After They Crashed the Economy (To be fair, Bush did this too)
-Stacked Deficit Commission with Fiscal Conservatives
-Lowered Taxes Significantly (Stimulus Bill)
-Ordered Increased Offshore Drilling Before BP Spill
But yeah, you're totally right. He's a huge liberal.  Living in a relatively liberal country like yours, I can only imagine that you're trolling or just completely getting your news from the right-wing information bubble. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just don't know anything about US news (and you're a foreigner, like I know anything about European news beyond the BBC) so you picked up all of the screaming conservative rage about Obama being the second coming of satan.
Let's clarify a few points here:
I've already explained that premiums aren't "set to sharply rise".
One of your links points to Harry Reid: "Reid is worth $2.8 to $6.2 million, according to an OpenSecrets.org report, so he would not qualify for subsidies that would lower his Obamacare insurance costs." The guy's a multi-millionaire and draws a huge Senate salary. He only has to pay $4,500 more? Oh, who will think of the multi-millionaires and their four thousand dollar premium increase?
I'm also lolling at people who ignore the Federal subsidy for purchasing insurance... Because everyone will pay the sticker price!
"Why are things set to go so badly? Because the architects of the health-care exchanges have relied on three crucial assumptions, all of which are probably wrong."
Yeah totally legit source bro, a conservative opinion piece wishing for the ACA's failure that barely masks itself as such.
My family's healthcare costs rose about $5 per pay period this year. I went from paying $230 in monthly premiums to paying roughly $240. How will I ever survive?
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| Re: Obama [message #485077 is a reply to message #476704] |
Mon, 30 December 2013 05:07 |
iRANian
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>Democrat president
>conservative
what
And it's nice how you act as if my sources are non-mainstream and fringe when you cite Huffington Post and Slate..
>My family's healthcare costs rose about $5 per pay period this year. I went from paying $230 in monthly premiums to paying roughly $240. How will I ever survive?
All the premiums are set to rise in 2014...Nonetheless ObamaCare is a pretty sweet deal for poor people. It just gigantically hurts the middle class.
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| Re: Obama [message #485082 is a reply to message #485077] |
Mon, 30 December 2013 11:26 |
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Aircraftkiller
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| iRANian wrote on Mon, 30 December 2013 07:07 |
>Democrat president
>conservative
what
And it's nice how you act as if my sources are non-mainstream and fringe when you cite Huffington Post and Slate..
>My family's healthcare costs rose about $5 per pay period this year. I went from paying $230 in monthly premiums to paying roughly $240. How will I ever survive?
All the premiums are set to rise in 2014...Nonetheless ObamaCare is a pretty sweet deal for poor people. It just gigantically hurts the middle class.
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Here's a funny thing to note, party doesn't determine ideology. Even in the Republican party, there's gay members. You know, in a party that overwhelmingly hates them. The parties in this country are not monolithic entities, they have sub-factions that veer from the general party agenda. There are Democrats that are basically conservative in all but their party name.
So when I tell you that Obama is a conservative, it's because Obama has a lot of conservative principles now. He started off substantially different - like around 2003 when he wanted single-payer insurance AKA universal healthcare. Somewhere along the line in Congress, that idea turned into this. I've linked it before in this thread, but the ACA is a Heritage Foundation idea. The HF is a conservative think-tank. I can only assume that Obama compromised in the hopes that states would go along with it, but just about every Republican state decided they'd let the Federal government do the market exchanges for them. Kind of funny coming from people who complain about government overreach, isn't it?
I'm in the middle class. My premiums are barely being affected. Most employer-provided insurance plans are given to people in the middle class. If they prepared for the ACA rollout, the insurance increase should be minimal like it is for my company - and I work for people who fervently dislike the president and his ACA overhaul.
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| Re: Obama [message #485095 is a reply to message #485085] |
Tue, 31 December 2013 13:12 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 31 December 2013 00:54 |
Obama is an idiot its cheaper and better if I just let them take it out of my taxs and not sign up for Obama care.
I'm sure lots of countries are laughing right now.
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We are. Mainly because your country is comprised of dumbasses who think a single-payer healthcare system like Canada's is akin to having buttsex with Lenin.
But by all means, continue to enjoy your lower life expectancy compared to the rest of the first-world. It means insufferable Amerifats will just die faster.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Obama [message #485124 is a reply to message #485123] |
Fri, 03 January 2014 23:38 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Fri, 03 January 2014 22:02 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 31 December 2013 13:12 |
| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 31 December 2013 00:54 |
Obama is an idiot its cheaper and better if I just let them take it out of my taxs and not sign up for Obama care.
I'm sure lots of countries are laughing right now.
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We are. Mainly because your country is comprised of dumbasses who think a single-payer healthcare system like Canada's is akin to having buttsex with Lenin.
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I know and Aircraftkiller is one of them sigh.
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wat?
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 03 January 2014 10:56 |
I've never once said I loved the ACA. I'd rather have single-payer. I'm taking the ACA because it's the only thing we can manage to push through in a country like this.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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