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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464639 is a reply to message #463883] Sun, 18 March 2012 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are we making progress with the crashes and fps drop problems?
Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464652 is a reply to message #463883] Mon, 19 March 2012 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I have a internal build that hopefully fixes the problems, but I'm still waiting for more of the people I sent it to to test it and confirm that it indeed fixes it. If you experience the FPS/freeze issues and want to test too, send me a PM.

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464768 is a reply to message #463883] Thu, 22 March 2012 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi, I am willing to help out, and I've got some time this weekend both Saturday and Sunday evening. I am running ren on a way too good computer for it. The PC is 3 weeks in my possession. I am running the latest TT, all works successful.

There is a few small problems. I get very slight FPS drops. But they're mostly so small it doesn't really affect the game play. I have had my game crash on me yesterday for the first time on this computer, running TT on this computer since I got it.

I can imagine if I ran ren on a PC with less CPU power and less ram these small drops in FPS would result in the same kind of issue I read here from others (heavy FPS drop and/or game freezing). I realize however this is not confirmed. When my game crashed that one time it was very similar to what I've read in this topic posted by others. There was an error popup sound, but I did not see the popup. When I went to task manager it took considerable time (about 10 sec. which I think is long for a computer that starts most applications instantly) to load it. My mouse became invisible on most areas of my screen, except where the task manager window was, and my windows task beam. When I forcefully killed the game2.exe via task manager it also took some time for ren to finally die when it was killed (not a metaphor, but please do add to your signature, I love to be famous).

Also noticed that on occasion, the map loading time takes about 30 to 40 seconds in stead of 5 seconds or less. The loading indicator beam shoots up to about halve, then sits there for halve a minute, and then completes in a second after that. These events are random.

Another thing I have come to experience might be related to the ice skating that others experience. What happens is that both me and an enemy player go for the same vehicle. Clearly I am there first but it won't let me enter. A split second later the enemy enters the vehicle. You'll probably say "lag" and I understand. This however is not me bitching or blaming someone else on crappy skill or crappy internet. My ping at that time seems to be good (mostly around 150, never below 120 or above 200). Also am I not experiencing anything else out of the ordinary. The game plays just smoothly and then that happens. It happened to me a bunch of times now since the last 2 updates (of which a small one very recent), so I feel safe enough suggest it could be related to the TT patch. I've had this happen on a DM server where this event can reoccur at a higher rate than on servers running AOW game mode.

The loading thing and the FPS drops seem to be at random, or at least have I not discovered a pattern or a relation with any event linked to these errors. The other issue as far as I can tell seems to be constant.

If you wish to make use of my help, feel free to add me on MSN reckneya#hotmail.com or find me on jelly irc.


Brandan wrote on Tue, 10 April 2012 07:13

Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan Wink

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464773 is a reply to message #463883] Thu, 22 March 2012 07:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even with the special build StealthEye gave me my game begins to lag after playing like an hour, the CPU usage keeps jumping up and memory usage to, the game just froze and the following error window came up:

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Everything fatal error
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.\src\thread_t.cpp(106): thread_t::start(): Fatal error: Assertion failed
Last Windows Error 1816: Not enough quota is available to process this command.


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OK   
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The CPU usage for game2.exe was 11% and the memory usage was 165 MB.


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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464780 is a reply to message #463883] Thu, 22 March 2012 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't supposed you checked the virtual memory size? Could be it's reserving lots of memory that's not actually getting used, but counts against its maximum available memory space.

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464794 is a reply to message #464780] Thu, 22 March 2012 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 22 March 2012 09:39

Don't supposed you checked the virtual memory size? Could be it's reserving lots of memory that's not actually getting used, but counts against its maximum available memory space.

Good idea, I'm analyzing game2.exe with sysinternal's Process Explorer after StealthEye suggested me to do so and I see two potential issues, the virtual memory size looks normal though. Not sure how to read the info so I'll discuss what I found with StealthEye.


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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464796 is a reply to message #463883] Thu, 22 March 2012 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay I did some extra testing and I see one issue, that probably causes all these issues.

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464805 is a reply to message #463883] Thu, 22 March 2012 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Indeed, that looks very promising. With your info I think we should be able to fix this soon. Smile

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464939 is a reply to message #463883] Mon, 26 March 2012 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How's the FPS, guys? I only had problems for one day and the next day everything was fine. This was around the first few days of beta 4.
Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464966 is a reply to message #463883] Tue, 27 March 2012 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not sure if making a new topic is preferable, since the problem is the same. I'll post here and will make a new post if requested by a TT staff member.

This early afternoon (GMT+1) I started my renegade and TT patched itself. I played about 5 minutes on a TT server and my game freezes. The computer did not respond to the windows button, alt + F4 or ctrl + alt + del. On my frozen game screen I see my FPS is 60, the server FPS is 60, my ping is 149, I don't remember my kbps. After sitting there for about 1 minute my PC completely boots. I get a screen where I can select if I want to start windows normally, or one of the safe modes.

I started windows normally, entered the game again, and played again. The same thing happens. The interval seems to be the same also, about 5 minutes. This time my PC didn't freeze for too long. There was a blue screen for a brief moment. In the flash I saw it said something about memory dump.

I checked my client\debug folder and there is no crashdump file dated for today.

Something seems to be going wrong. OS is Windows 7 Ultimate 64. 12 Gigs of DDR3 memory. Please let me know what information you need from me at this point and I will provide it.


Brandan wrote on Tue, 10 April 2012 07:13

Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan Wink

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464973 is a reply to message #463883] Tue, 27 March 2012 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What server was this on?

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #464988 is a reply to message #463883] Tue, 27 March 2012 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It happened on the new DM server. It runs TT.

Brandan wrote on Tue, 10 April 2012 07:13

Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan Wink
Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465109 is a reply to message #463883] Fri, 30 March 2012 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Issue posted by Recknya added to the bug tracker/todo list.


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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465129 is a reply to message #464988] Fri, 30 March 2012 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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reckneya wrote on Tue, 27 March 2012 13:29

It happened on the new DM server. It runs TT.

Single core or multicore CPU? (physical multicore not just logical)


And does your harddrive sound busy or is your computer just deadlocked?


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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465143 is a reply to message #463883] Fri, 30 March 2012 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you jonwil.

The PC is an 8 core. It's "4 weeks out of the box" with a fresh install of Win7. All I really have installed is renegade and stuff I need for my study. The HD (Sata 600) is quiet as a sleeping baby.

EDIT: sorry, I should've read your question more thoroughly, I interpreted it incorrectly. To answer your question: The PC seems dead when it freezes.


Brandan wrote on Tue, 10 April 2012 07:13

Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan Wink

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465159 is a reply to message #465143] Fri, 30 March 2012 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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reckneya wrote on Fri, 30 March 2012 13:00

Thank you jonwil.

The PC is an 8 core. It's "4 weeks out of the box" with a fresh install of Win7. All I really have installed is renegade and stuff I need for my study. The HD (Sata 600) is quiet as a sleeping baby.

EDIT: sorry, I should've read your question more thoroughly, I interpreted it incorrectly. To answer your question: The PC seems dead when it freezes.

If its new it shouldn't be locking up like that, especially if ren is the cause, because unless TT Team changed how it worked ren only uses 2 cores at most (due to only having two threads).


Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465173 is a reply to message #465159] Sat, 31 March 2012 04:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm unsure what you mean at this point. The PC is in fact brand new, no doubt about it, and the PC did in fact freeze, I'm not making up this crash report. The only thing I can think of at this moment is that it was in fact busy but quietly. Nothing specific happens soundwise when I load a (any) game or other "bigger" program, it just produces a gentle humming noise from the vents.

Brandan wrote on Tue, 10 April 2012 07:13

Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan Wink

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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465514 is a reply to message #463883] Wed, 04 April 2012 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is most likely fixed in the next version.

Apparently there is an issue with setting hardware breakpoints programmatically on some AMD CPUs, which can lead to deadlocks/BSODs. We avoid it by no longer setting the hardware breakpoints (which we used to track down a rare issue but are now obsolete).


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Re: error after update beta 4 [message #465522 is a reply to message #463883] Wed, 04 April 2012 12:13 Go to previous message
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Sweet Smile

Brandan wrote on Tue, 10 April 2012 07:13

Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan Wink
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