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sigh... i'm getting a little tired of hearing this crap
the reason wilo behaved the way he did for so long is very obviously because he was getting away with it
for most of us, there are two reasons why we don't act like complete cunts.
1. innate sense of goodness
2. thoughts of consequences
most of us are human enough to have that innate sense of goodness; unfortunately some people are sociopaths, like wilo, and that's why society needs laws too.
nobody of importance in the general renegade community really wanted st0rm deleted entirely; just wanted wilo to stop going so far out of his way to e-attack everyone. the only person who wanted st0rm deleted was wilo. he had the choice between "just stop being such a cunt" or deliberately aggravate the situation as much as he could, he made his choice and the ones who suffered are people like you. stop acting like it's anybody's fault but his that this is the outcome. open your eyes and learn to recognise your enemy when you see him, cos it isn't crimson, me, liquid... it's wilo.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463324 is a reply to message #463321] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 13:36 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 13:21 |
I realise this is far too late, but you guys seem to have this misleading sense of justice is served thinking when all you've really done is similar to shutting down a homeless shelter owned by someone who bombed other homeless shelters.
i highly doubt the people you're trying to punish care very much at all, considering they simply pulled the plug on the ren server that easily and happily announced they are gonna have a new beginning on other servers and actively encouraged people to go play minecraft or tf2.. so all you've punished are the people who enjoyed the gameplay at renegade storm server.
I also don't understand why there is all this hate for the people trying to play there... does playing there somehow create ddos attacks on other servers or something? Do we become mindless supporters of evil just by playing there? Clearly no lol. As a matter of fact, most of the players didn't even know this was going on until we were rudely awakened by the harassment of players from other servers calling us terrorists before the situation was explained to us, hardly seems like we were actively committing evil acts.
I'm not saying there are no bad people on storm, but this guilty by association way of thinking has got to stop. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen again for any future scandals, because this type of approach doesn't really punish or stop the ones responsible, it just brings down the number of ren players more.
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totaly spot on ..
but your words are wasted here dude .thay totaly think thay are right and they can and have done no wrong.
they think the same way as terrorists .
we hate your leader so we bomb you peoples for liveing in his country
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463331 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 13:57 |
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its funny that you recognize all the fault is with one person in this case and not everyone involved, yet at the same time a large majority of the people in charge apparently think everyone involved with storm storm is a ren terrorist or a supporter of said terrorism and try to punish them as well.. or at least harass them endlessly and insult their moral caliber in a "you're either with us or with the terrorists" type of tactic..
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463348 is a reply to message #463321] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 14:37 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 13:21 |
I realise this is far too late, but you guys seem to have this misleading sense of justice is served thinking when all you've really done is similar to shutting down a homeless shelter owned by someone who bombed other homeless shelters.
i highly doubt the people you're trying to punish care very much at all, considering they simply pulled the plug on the ren server that easily and happily announced they are gonna have a new beginning on other servers and actively encouraged people to go play minecraft or tf2.. so all you've punished are the people who enjoyed the gameplay at renegade storm server.
I also don't understand why there is all this hate for the people trying to play there... does playing there somehow create ddos attacks on other servers or something? Do we become mindless supporters of evil just by playing there? Clearly no lol. As a matter of fact, most of the players didn't even know this was going on until we were rudely awakened by the harassment of players from other servers calling us terrorists before the situation was explained to us, hardly seems like we were actively committing evil acts.
I'm not saying there are no bad people on storm, but this guilty by association way of thinking has got to stop. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen again for any future scandals, because this type of approach doesn't really punish or stop the ones responsible, it just brings down the number of ren players more.
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I said it many times and I'll say it again:
Yes, taking down st0rm servers off of XWIS has dropped the playercount (at this moment, they've taken their Ren servers down, anyway). However, if they really wanted to play at st0rm, they could just use GSA and direct connect through Renlist, RR, or RenIP or any other form of direct connect. St0rm players can still play on the server, if they were dedicated enough.
Here's the other side to this. Wilo made it near impossible for players to play at Jelly. His constant attacks on Jelly made it to where nobody could play a game. Now, leaving st0rm servers up on GSA was a grace for them; nobody was attacking them and they could still have players if their players wanted to connect via direct connect. Regardless of whether or not they were using DC or XWIS, Jelly players couldn't play.
I feel, a little, remorse for st0rm players. But, tbh, some part of me could care less because of what Wilo did to the other communities and how those players felt.
If you like Renegade as much as you probably do, you'll find another server to play in. Tbh, if you liked st0rm so much, you should have come up with a "useless" petition to remove Wilo from the throne of the st0rm community. If that happened, it's been stated numerous times that people would help out st0rm as long as Wilo is gone.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463355 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:06 |
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a petition to remove wilo would be utterly useless. There's no way he would agree lol. a petition to XWIS made more sense because we figured at least XWIS may try to be the bigger man.
and once again... just because we played at storm, doesn't mean we support the attacks or should be punished for it... i mean.. YOU played at storm too, you know many of the players weren't involved in the bombings... you shouldn't be caring less about the loss of the server because other players suffered worse. this is just misery shared between innocents while the culprit pretty much doesn't care.
and yea searching for that other renegade server now... >_> <_<
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463359 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:10 |
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^^ Truth (@ Gohax)! Wilo had two very good options to keep his server on XWIS.
Option 1: Step down as admin and let someone else take it over.
Option 2: Don't attack other servers in the first damn place.
He chose to attack servers and didn't care about the consequences. Well, now the consequences are here. You want to blame someone, blame him.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463360 is a reply to message #463355] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:12 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:06 |
a petition to remove wilo would be utterly useless. There's no way he would agree lol. a petition to XWIS made more sense because we figured at least XWIS may try to be the bigger man.
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firstly XWIS (if by that you mean the consensus that agreed with the sanctions) is the "bigger man" by several orders of magnitude, and you should be fucking embarrassed for implying otherwise.
secondly, what the petition should have said was what i was saying to him before the XWIS ban even happened, which was "just stop being such a cunt wilo, that's all you've got to do". if you all signed that, given how much damage WILO (not crimson, not liquid, not spoony) was doing to st0rm, then the best-case scenario is wilo finally realises what a destructive little boy he is and changes his ways. if he didn't take heed of that (which is probably the more likely, given his obvious mental problems), it would completely discredit him among his own community, make the st0rm players finally see what's obvious to the rest of us.
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and once again... just because we played at storm, doesn't mean we support the attacks or should be punished for it...
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cheer up then, because you haven't been punished for it. not by anyone here, that is.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463362 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:14 |
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drop the care trolling, the fuck is wrong with you dude. all people wanted is for the flooding to stop, which wilo didn't want so he sacrificed his own community being a backstabbing little mean lady. he also threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend and induced a miscarriage in her unborn fetus
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463368 is a reply to message #463360] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:29 |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:12 |
| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:06 |
a petition to remove wilo would be utterly useless. There's no way he would agree lol. a petition to XWIS made more sense because we figured at least XWIS may try to be the bigger man.
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firstly XWIS (if by that you mean the consensus that agreed with the sanctions) is the "bigger man" by several orders of magnitude, and you should be fucking embarrassed for implying otherwise.
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sorry. I did not mean it that way. I meant we know XWIS is the bigger man by several orders of magnitude, so there was hope that they may just be that big to listen to a petition. I did not in any way mean that XWIS is on the same level as wilo.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463370 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:31 |
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good, choose your phrasing more carefully in future.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463375 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:38 |
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If I give up here aircraftkiller, my fear is that somewhere far down the road, when I've found another renegade server to play on... there may be some scandal with the owner again and this will repeat itself. Hence my repeated pleas for people to try and find another way to deal with such matters in the future in a way that tries its best to avoid resulting in server shutdowns.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463377 is a reply to message #463375] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:40 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:38 |
If I give up here aircraftkiller, my fear is that somewhere far down the road, when I've found another renegade server to play on... there may be some scandal with the owner again and this will repeat itself. Hence my repeated pleas for people to try and find another way to deal with such matters in the future in a way that tries its best to avoid resulting in server shutdowns.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463378 is a reply to message #463375] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:43 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:38 |
If I give up here aircraftkiller, my fear is that somewhere far down the road, when I've found another renegade server to play on... there may be some scandal with the owner again and this will repeat itself. Hence my repeated pleas for people to try and find another way to deal with such matters in the future in a way that tries its best to avoid resulting in server shutdowns.
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it's less likely to happen again now that we've seen the outcome. it probably would happen again if we carried on the old system of letting scum like wilo do whatever they like.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463380 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:48 |
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I guess I'm a little disappointed to learn that st0rm has been taken off the xwis game listings, as I have never liked connecting to a renegade server via a 3rd party client.
I never used to like st0rm server, i always disliked how it was heavily modified.
Prior to scripts 4.0 release, i was on a break from renegade. I got sick of the lack of teamwork (which is what i miss in renegade from the early days) and people wanting to just arty whore all game, making every game the same.
I followed scripts 4.0 development, and when scripts 4.0 was released , st0rm was the only mainstream server to utilise them. So i decided to play there. Also wanting to play Fjords was appealing too. When i joined, i found that a lot of the stupid modifications were removed, a couple remained. But mods such as the veteran system proved to be fresh and fun during those long marathon games, and there actually was a lot of teamwork in the majority of games, with lots of good players. Games were highly enjoyable.
Now it's gone, I'm not sure what server to play in, namely one that uses scripts 4. Jelly has always been the alternative, but it's always been slightly laggy for me, and there seems to be alot of n00bs that arty whore all game, with little teamwork.
I have no care for all this drama...yes wilo is an ass for what he did, and i understand he has pissed off heaps of people. But it would seem some people here are getting angry at others that haven't done anything.
What i care for is just playing a good game of renegade, and i really think, especially renegade being 10 years old and how many of us are left, this entire community should really band together, and try and run things simultaneously. Not be so divided.
just my 2 cents, sorry for the essay.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463383 is a reply to message #463380] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 16:10 |
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| sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:48 |
What i care for is just playing a good game of renegade, and i really think, especially renegade being 10 years old and how many of us are left, this entire community should really band together
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the response to wilo is a rare occasion of the general renegade community doing just that.
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463393 is a reply to message #463008] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 17:08 |
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might be the same one as this
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01/03/2012 18:53 <MDK> maybe so but like hell I am going to back down to them .not in my nature...the likes of spoony think he can make me go away or shut up no way . I eat nottingham muppets for breakfast
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tbh i feel kinda sorry for you, you've obviously got something wrong with you
btw i don't care whether you go away or not, you can make a fool of yourself on forums all you like for all i care
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| Re: st0rm petition sign or no sign [message #463396 is a reply to message #463380] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 17:38 |
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| sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:48 |
But mods such as the veteran system proved to be fresh and fun during those long marathon games, and there actually was a lot of teamwork in the majority of games, with lots of good players. Games were highly enjoyable. Now it's gone, I'm not sure what server to play in, namely one that uses scripts 4.
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Then you'll enjoy Atomix AOW considering the mod that was ran on St0rm was my mod that was ran on Atomix before I shut it down. I re-opened it when I left st0rm. And also, we use scripts 4.0.
| sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:48 |
Jelly has always been the alternative, but it's always been slightly laggy for me, and there seems to be alot of n00bs that arty whore all game, with little teamwork.
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Jelly has its times where the noobs come out and play. Overall if you want something close to pure ren, it's either Jelly or noobstories.
| sterps wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 17:48 |
What i care for is just playing a good game of renegade, and i really think, especially renegade being 10 years old and how many of us are left, this entire community should really band together, and try and run things simultaneously. Not be so divided.
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That's what we're doing. We're all connected in some way. The only thing is we diversed ourself away from st0rm due to Wilo being the sorrounding of it. If people really wanted to fix their issue, they would of voted Wilo off, he could of stepped down peacefully, or he shouldn't of fucked other people over in the first place.
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