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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440358 is a reply to message #440303] |
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| Xpert wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 21:37 |
| Hypnos wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:32 |
@Xpert - I'm not making things up, I saw the EKT Launcher working, and it used a modified version of this MAPCH function, or at least something similar to pull up logs and internet history.
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That's a 3rd party program, that's different. Goku did something malicious his own way and people were stupid enough to download it. Not to mention he used *cheat name removed*himself. But that's a different story.
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Yes, he may have done this with his own malicious intentions; but he did use this module either as reference or built apon it, which one it was I really can't remember.
| Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26 |
Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)
Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440370 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 22:42 |
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We are doing server and software maintenance right now, the site will be back up as soon possible. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
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To me it looks like they are taking down the copywrited stuff.
This sucks, I was really hoping that a leak would not happen.
It sets back a release.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440373 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 23:13 |
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are the 200 people who downloaded the source/binaries going to be banned for possession/use?
Since TT is reverse engineering a lot of dlls and has some source from EA... Does this include the one that does the hashes for the serials?
and if so isnt that a HUGE security hole since you could decrypt serials?
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440375 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 23:55 |
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How funny, it's been quite some time since I left the Renegade community. Not much has changed since I left...
I heard about the TT leak. Disappointing to see that the offender is acting rashly and maliciously and yet claims that he's not. But what I find even more disappointing is how sloppy TT's "representatives" are handling the situation thus far.
1) You don't go to other people's websites and turn them into stomping grounds. There are channels in existence for a reason. When negotiations go south you turn to web hosts' policies to remove copyrighted works. You don't go start a flame war. Flame wars make you look unprofessional and no one will take you seriously from that point forward.
2) TT should have known something like this would happen eventually. If you guys did things the smart way you would have had people on the staff sign documents (confidentiality agreements, team operating agreements, etc) just to be on the safe side. After all, we have e-signing in this digital age - use it. Documentation is everything!
What do you think would go through EA's mind if they saw all the drama and flame wars ignited by this incident? This certainly isn't a plus for TT's reputation.
Anyways, I'm just offering some friendly advice in hopes that you guys are listening. I wish you all the best in containing this leak and reaching your completion point.
Brandon out.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440379 is a reply to message #440373] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 00:11 |
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| halo2pac wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 14:13 |
are the 200 people who downloaded the source/binaries going to be banned for possession/use?
Since TT is reverse engineering a lot of dlls and has some source from EA... Does this include the one that does the hashes for the serials?
and if so isnt that a HUGE security hole since you could decrypt serials?
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The leaked source does not include serial hash code.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440383 is a reply to message #440237] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 00:30 |
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Brandon, you should read people's posts: this was not a leak by a member of a staff, rather a case of "bad place to save this kind of information". I'm stunned a coder can make this kind of mistakes myself, but it happened unfortunately.
Troop was banned here for releasing a building bars variant, he knew very well people were banned for this in the past and that he was on "probation" after being unbanned not so long ago. If anything unbanning Troop in the first place was the mistake, not banning him after he posted a cheat.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440386 is a reply to message #440383] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 00:36 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 15:30 |
Brandon, you should read people's posts: this was not a leak by a member of a staff, rather a case of "bad place to save this kind of information". I'm stunned a coder can make this kind of mistakes myself, but it happened unfortunately.
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Its called "I didnt know anything about the default settings of the web site in question and didnt know of anything I should have checked into re security"
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440394 is a reply to message #440355] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 02:30 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 03:32 |
| jonwil wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 19:07 |
I can assure you I did NOT give Trooprm02 this code.
What happened is that at some point, I uploaded a file (containing a really old code dump of 4.0) to a server that was not as secure as I assumed it was. Once I found out that the file wasnt secure, I immediately removed it. Until this leak happened, I was unaware that anyone outside of TT even HAD the source code.
I for one do not intend to let this stop 4.0. After all, Valve had a major leak of the source code to Half-Life 2 and that went on to be a smash hit and one of the most popular FPS games of all time.
We are most definatly not "fucked". The code dump was old and did not contain most of the anti-cheat.
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Just to clarify, I read through one of the chat logs, found a url, took the file off, and voila - directory listing. It was infact the one you're talking about. Just throwing it out there to back up the point it was a simple mistake that was very easy to find.
(Although at that point it just had a build of scripts 4.0 in there, not any source code)
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You are right. It was a really stupid mistake to make. Unfortunately we can't change that right now, the only thing we can and will do is make sure that it doesn't happen again.
| Hypnos wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 06:45 |
If anything, this is speeding up a release because they just announced some public testing to be done this weekend...
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Not really, it may speed up a release, but still sets us back on the coding work ahead of us. We know TT is pretty stable, but it does still contain errors. Look at it as a diamond which is in cutting. While it may look pretty good, it's not yet done. Now we will probably have a lot more coding stuff to do, to protect servers from crashing (and perhaps more AC measures).
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440400 is a reply to message #440375] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 04:03 |
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| Brandon wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 07:55 |
How funny, it's been quite some time since I left the Renegade community. Not much has changed since I left...
I heard about the TT leak. Disappointing to see that the offender is acting rashly and maliciously and yet claims that he's not. But what I find even more disappointing is how sloppy TT's "representatives" are handling the situation thus far.
1) You don't go to other people's websites and turn them into stomping grounds. There are channels in existence for a reason. When negotiations go south you turn to web hosts' policies to remove copyrighted works. You don't go start a flame war. Flame wars make you look unprofessional and no one will take you seriously from that point forward.
2) TT should have known something like this would happen eventually. If you guys did things the smart way you would have had people on the staff sign documents (confidentiality agreements, team operating agreements, etc) just to be on the safe side. After all, we have e-signing in this digital age - use it. Documentation is everything!
What do you think would go through EA's mind if they saw all the drama and flame wars ignited by this incident? This certainly isn't a plus for TT's reputation.
Anyways, I'm just offering some friendly advice in hopes that you guys are listening. I wish you all the best in containing this leak and reaching your completion point.
Brandon out.
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I agree that that's the right approach, but actually, it's not very different from what we have done. The file has been removed from some hosts already, and the staff did sign NDAs. But I don't know how the documents will help, since it was an accidental leak and the damage has already been done. What we will definitely be doing is change some policies in order to avoid anything like this from happening again.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440407 is a reply to message #440237] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 05:13 |
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Well, I think I chose the right time to reinstall Ren.
Sarcasm or not? lol.
Man, whenever I first read the post, I was like gg. But, I'm not so worried. Kind of relieved that TT actually went through so much trouble to get things back on track. I applaud you guys for that.
But, I do have to say one thing. I think EWD pointed out something about not much community support, and I do agree. But what kind of support can we give you? Not much of the community knows a lot about coding that could be of any relevance to the project. Many people have stated that if you decided to have beta testing, they would love to help out, which is basically all of the help and support the community can give you guys.
Anyway, as I said before, good job on this. Hopefully nothing like this happens again and this doesn't have too much of an impact on the project as a whole.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440420 is a reply to message #440411] |
Tue, 30 November 2010 08:17 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 15:13 |
| danpaul88 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 12:45 |
So who decided to unban him? Someone must have done it...
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Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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