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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #439012 is a reply to message #438319] |
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patch = announced 2 and a half year ago by now...
they even stated that alot of work was already done when they announced it lol, sure its a hobby project or however u want to call it, but please do take in consideration that games usually dont even last longer than 2 years and renegade was already quite dead when this was announced, so now its safe to assume renegade has actually died
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #439014 is a reply to message #438319] |
Sun, 07 November 2010 08:40 |
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what are u talking about hitman, it was impossible to fix the two things that all competitive players care about, ie anti cheat and c4 glitching without adding 100 other features and creating an entire new game at the same time.
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #439015 is a reply to message #439014] |
Sun, 07 November 2010 09:01 |
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| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Sun, 07 November 2010 16:40 |
what are u talking about hitman, it was impossible to fix the two things that all competitive players care about, ie anti cheat and c4 glitching without adding 100 other features and creating an entire new game at the same time.
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With a game that has as manu bugs and possible exploit places as Renegade, it takes a lot of time to make it cheatproof. ALso, a lot of PUBLIC players wanted a download feature, something that's not exactly easy to do. Another complication was that AC needs an auto updater, as you want to be able to force people to the newest version if a cheat works on an older version.
Besides all this there are the occasional emergency fixes that need to be carried out, for ex. the one where you can crash a server with a particular UDP packet. Something that could make online play impossible.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440155 is a reply to message #440152] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 06:12 |
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| Anon wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 06:00 |
| Hitman wrote on Sun, 07 November 2010 16:14 |
patch = announced 2 and a half year ago by now...
they even stated that alot of work was already done when they announced it lol, sure its a hobby project or however u want to call it, but please do take in consideration that games usually dont even last longer than 2 years and renegade was already quite dead when this was announced, so now its safe to assume renegade has actually died
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You have no right of speaking. If it weren't for the TT team there would've never been a fix for all those problems at all. How about you just act nice and appreciate the effort they're putting into the TT patch.
I think they are doing a great job, no matter how long it takes, they will be the one's who did what EA Games was supposed to do.
And oh, Hitman...
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u speak like the fix is out there right now, while they haven't even seen a beta test yet and take my word for it that it'll take more than 3 years to get it done completly. But im sure you will be here to play this game 1v1 against another moron like you that will be left hanging around this game in 2/3 years from now
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440164 is a reply to message #439015] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 11:31 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 07 November 2010 10:01 |
the one where you can crash a server with a particular UDP packet.
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I believe there was a quiete easy way to fix it. All it involved was a hexedit on your serverfds...
So the current problems are the 'many' 'Bug' 'exploits' in Renegade and a AutoDownloader + an auto updater.
Fixing bug and exploits is something that is a job for life in Renegade so you could easily pick some of the most important to fix and put the others on hold.
Autodownloader is also something secondary.
Auto updater however is something very important. I'm wondering wasn't it possible to backwards patch Renguard to a stable version and the re-patch it into something usefull.
(With stable version I don't mean that it should have been cheatproof.)
One of the hardest things I believe that TT had to face was to choose what is important to fix or not.
I think TT got lost there.
Also stop sending out false hope and show something real.
In terms of beta tests, screenshots or changelogs or anything.
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440165 is a reply to message #440164] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 11:37 |
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| Reaver11 wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 19:31 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 07 November 2010 10:01 |
the one where you can crash a server with a particular UDP packet.
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I believe there was a quiete easy way to fix it. All it involved was a hexedit on your serverfds...
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Found and written by BlackIntel. Hmm, wait, where am I one of the founders off? Oh yeah, BlackIntel....
That one was fixed ages ago, true. However our "dear" 0x90 found another more advanced exploit.
Also, I know that choosing the right things to fix was not the problem. One of the problems is simply time and skilled coders. Not everyone can do everything and not everyone has shit loads of time.
Besides this, some new functions or reversed engineered bug fixes/changes sometimes contain errors, which then appear on the most random places. This simply because the Renegade code is shitty. I'm sure StealthEye can give an example of the weird functions in Renegade.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440166 is a reply to message #440165] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 12:14 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 18:37 |
Found and written by BlackIntel. Hmm, wait, where am I one of the founders off? Oh yeah, BlackIntel....
That one was fixed ages ago, true. However our "dear" 0x90 found another more advanced exploit.
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There's no need for beeing sarcastic in any way.
http://aluigi.altervista.org/patches.htm#bugfix
Look for Renegade fix.
He even shows you what bits to change.
It might be the same fix or maybe a different fix.
I really don't care since this is not the most important deal of this thread.
Also your "dear" friend 0x90 will always find holes thats what he does.
You can't fix everything and also don't use this as a reason TT is late.
Since I doubt this is the reason TT takes so long.
In three years nothing serious released usually means either the project is dead or disorganised or bad PR.
I'm not saying this is the case for TT.
What it does imply is that to the common Renegades TT's status is unknown.
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440172 is a reply to message #440166] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 14:52 |
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| Reaver11 wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 20:14 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 18:37 |
Found and written by BlackIntel. Hmm, wait, where am I one of the founders off? Oh yeah, BlackIntel....
That one was fixed ages ago, true. However our "dear" 0x90 found another more advanced exploit.
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There's no need for beeing sarcastic in any way.
http://aluigi.altervista.org/patches.htm#bugfix
Look for Renegade fix.
He even shows you what bits to change.
It might be the same fix or maybe a different fix.
I really don't care since this is not the most important deal of this thread.
Also your "dear" friend 0x90 will always find holes thats what he does.
You can't fix everything and also don't use this as a reason TT is late.
Since I doubt this is the reason TT takes so long.
In three years nothing serious released usually means either the project is dead or disorganised or bad PR.
I'm not saying this is the case for TT.
What it does imply is that to the common Renegades TT's status is unknown.
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I see you're listing too much to Spoony.
On TT: there have certainly been errors in PR, as well as errors in the project management. Besides this there's also the issue called "time". Reverse engineering a lot of code takes a lot of time. It also takes a lot of skill and allows for a lot of errors to pop up. WW-code contains a lot of weird fixes that you with just RE'ing won't see directly.
Things that also do not help are people that randomly disappear or lose interest in coding. Yes you can blame TT for that, but don't forget that this is all happening for free. Hell, even the community isn't as supportive as you might like.
0x90 once said that he choose to make cheats because he finds that a lot more rewarding. The community doesn't demand releases yesterday, no they're happy that something is released. A lot of the posts in this forum sometimes makes me wonder if he is right.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440174 is a reply to message #438319] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 15:30 |
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I agree with EvilWhiteDragon. You can all continue putting the blame on Tiberian Tech, but the only thing that's been happening in this community is:
- People asking for stuff to be implemented that is of no significant use at all. Which is also slowing down the process, because everyone "demands" an answer to their requests/questions.
- People demanding screenshots/beta's etc.
Their have been hardly any contributions coming from the rest of the community rather than the team itself (as far as I know) and still you guys think you have the right to judge the Tiberian Tech team? NO.
The people working on the TT patch have a life too. They also have to go to school or do their job. Yes of course, if they worked for a company such as EA Games or something they would've fixed everything two and a half years ago. But they do not work for a company like that, so the entire patch depends on how much spare time they have left. They are humans too and you cannot expect them to sacrifice every single minute of their time to this TT patch, so you selfish Rene-junkies can play your game.
Just be fucking happy that there are still people out there who care about your game and use their time, which they could probably spend on more important stuff, to fix the game you all love so much.
How long did it take for Grand Turismo 5 to be released? Did they ever show any beta's/screenshots or whatsoever apart from the GT5 Prologue, which was in no way similar to the final product? No, they did not, so please stop beggin/flaming/spamming/harassing Tiberian Tech for the beta's/screenshots and support their work instead.
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440183 is a reply to message #438319] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 18:49 |
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Y'all gon' make me lose my mind
up in HERE, up in here
Y'all gon' make me go all out
up in here, up in here
Y'all gon' make me act a FOOL
up in HERE, up in here
Y'all gon' make me lose my cool
up in here, up in here
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440187 is a reply to message #440174] |
Sun, 28 November 2010 19:33 |
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| Anon wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 16:30 |
- People asking for stuff to be implemented that is of no significant use at all. Which is also slowing down the process, because everyone "demands" an answer to their requests/questions.
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lol
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440214 is a reply to message #440187] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 00:51 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 03:33 |
| Anon wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 16:30 |
- People asking for stuff to be implemented that is of no significant use at all. Which is also slowing down the process, because everyone "demands" an answer to their requests/questions.
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lol
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In this context with "everyone" I mean the people asking for/requesting stuff.
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| Re: In Game Web Browser [message #440234 is a reply to message #440174] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 09:49 |
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| Anon wrote on Sun, 28 November 2010 16:30 |
- People asking for stuff to be implemented that is of no significant use at all. Which is also slowing down the process, because everyone "demands" an answer to their requests/questions.
- People demanding screenshots/beta's etc.
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Isn't it logical to 'demand' an answer to a question?
What the answer will be however depends on the party answering the question.
Well I haven't really been talking to Spoony.
It might be that my ideas are similair although I can't judge that.
For the rest might it be an idea to attract some extra helpers?
I mean there are still skilled people around like Raven or Zunnie or someone extra for the PR? (just ideas)
However I don't know what work you still have.
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