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| Re: inc flaming [message #431870 is a reply to message #431654] |
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hey dey need dem protection against dem niggras.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432331 is a reply to message #431722] |
Thu, 08 July 2010 08:56 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 30 June 2010 02:10 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 23:59 |
hurrdurrr guns iz bad
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this is fine faggots, don't bitch
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It is bad when undesirable people have easy access to some very dangerous, concealable weaponry. It then escalates to something worse when good, decent people need to buy those same weapons in order to feel safe.
It also means it's easier for crooks and criminals to send up arms and ammo to my country where firearms are heavily regulated. Because of that, more gang wars and power in the hands of outlaws in cities like mine and Toronto will make for more drugs heading down to your border in order to buy... firearms!!
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Yes, but they already are getting them fairly easily. The problem that criminals only understand force, and this is basically the only way to deal with the crims. MAD may be old, but it works when relating to people that are blatently ignoring the law. Gun crimes have gone down in DC since the ruling, and states with less gun control laws for the most part*, have lower gun crimes because people can defend themselves and it makes crims more leery of attacking someone if they don't know if the person has a gun or not. It's a crude method, but the only way to assure that gun crimes don't get out of hand because the crims are the only ones running around with guns because the rest of us have handed them in.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432478 is a reply to message #432331] |
Fri, 09 July 2010 19:59 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2010 08:56 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 30 June 2010 02:10 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 23:59 |
hurrdurrr guns iz bad
derp de derr
this is fine faggots, don't bitch
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It is bad when undesirable people have easy access to some very dangerous, concealable weaponry. It then escalates to something worse when good, decent people need to buy those same weapons in order to feel safe.
It also means it's easier for crooks and criminals to send up arms and ammo to my country where firearms are heavily regulated. Because of that, more gang wars and power in the hands of outlaws in cities like mine and Toronto will make for more drugs heading down to your border in order to buy... firearms!!
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Yes, but they already are getting them fairly easily. The problem that criminals only understand force, and this is basically the only way to deal with the crims. MAD may be old, but it works when relating to people that are blatently ignoring the law. Gun crimes have gone down in DC since the ruling, and states with less gun control laws for the most part*, have lower gun crimes because people can defend themselves and it makes crims more leery of attacking someone if they don't know if the person has a gun or not. It's a crude method, but the only way to assure that gun crimes don't get out of hand because the crims are the only ones running around with guns because the rest of us have handed them in.
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It's sad that people actually believe this bullshit.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432588 is a reply to message #432391] |
Sun, 11 July 2010 12:29 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 09 July 2010 00:21 |
Hmm, we have strict gun control laws, and there are incidents about once every decade...
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The problem with using Great Britain as an example of how gun control "works" is that, while gun-related crime has gone down, the rate of violent crime has stayed pretty much the same. The criminals are just using different weapons now... and it's become illegal to defend yourself using any kind of weapon at all, even an improvised weapon that you only picked up because the other guy had a knife. Yours is the only country I know of that claims to have an epidemic of "knife crime"- and none of the laws that have been passed to deal with it have done any more good than the gun laws have. The sad fact is that attaching crime statistics to the type of weapon used only serves to associate all crime with that type of weapon in the minds of the people... with predictable results. "Save a life, bin that knife!" Right- until all the knives are gone and the criminals revert to something else. Pretty soon it'll be illegal to make a fist.
Of course, in Great Britain, there's also the issue of many people believing that authority comes down from the government rater than up from the people- thus whenever a new, more restrictive law gets passed, the average person shrugs their shoulders and says "they must have had a good reason." As similar as our societies may appear, we must remember that they are host to radically different cultures. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long for the Supreme Court to produce a definitive Second Amendment ruling... or that a ruling was ever needed at all.
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It is bad when undesirable people have easy access to some very dangerous, concealable weaponry. It then escalates to something worse when good, decent people need to buy those same weapons in order to feel safe.
It also means it's easier for crooks and criminals to send up arms and ammo to my country where firearms are heavily regulated. Because of that, more gang wars and power in the hands of outlaws in cities like mine and Toronto will make for more drugs heading down to your border in order to buy... firearms!!
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I do love how gun control advocates always state it as "need to buy weapons in order to feel safe" as though the gun were a snake-oil cure. It is a tool- if you know how to use it, it will do what it was designed to do. Hiding under a bed makes you "feel" safe- guns give you the means to ensure your safety.
Regardless of whether or not the presence of a weapon escalates any given confrontation, the police cannot be relied upon to defend the people. There are not enough of them; hiring enough of them would bankrupt the municipality- thus when you really need them to be there, they often are several minutes away. Yes, most of the time the bad guy is just looking to make off with some of your stuff, but you have no way of knowing what their intentions are. They could be telling the truth when they claim they won't hurt you i you hand over your wallet... but then again, they might just kill you to eliminate the possibility of you identifying them later. Every single confrontation with a criminal has the potential to kill you. I don't believe I'm ever going to be okay with the notion that it's somehow better to toss the dice and let them decide whether or not I live long enough for the cops to arrive.
As for guns crossing borders- first, banning guns in the US will not reduce crime in Canada. If your criminals want for weaponry, they will find other sources. Look at Mexico- despite what their government claims, most of the cartels' weapons are not coming from up here. Grenade launchers? RPGs? Sorry- they're as illegal here as there. Automatic weapons? Try again; they're so rare here that most gun owners have never even met someone who owned one. As for small arms, wanna guess which country Glocks, Sigs, HKs, Tauruses, Berettas, and half a dozen of the other most popular guns aren't made in? Do your bloody homework.
The absolute bottom line is that the threat of possibly being arrested if there just happens to be a cop near enough to respond in time (assuming you get the chance to call them at all) is not an effective deterrent. Streetcorner security cameras are no deterrent either- they'll be long gone by the time anyone makes an ID. The threat of immediate bodily harm or death, on the other hand, is a very effective deterrent. Yes, the bad guy will sometimes decide that he still has a chance after you produce a gun. Yes, the bad guy will sometimes still win. However, that is much better than the bad guy having success almost guaranteed. Remember that the scumbag wants to survive the encounter as much as the victim does; if he thinks he's going to be in danger of being killed if he picks you as his target, then more often than not he will choose not to target you.
Consider also that in order to make the news, any defensive use of a gun must include that gun being fired. Nobody cares about all the times the bad guy took off running the second it came out of the holster- which is, truth be told, what usually happens. Even notoriously right-wing Fox doesn't care to report such incidents- unless there's blood or at least a bang involved, it will never be seen on TV and you'd be lucky if it made page 5 in the paper.
You can keep your gun control. I'd rather be able to defend myself and the people I care about if some scum-sucking douchenozzle decides he's entitled to take what's ours- including, I might mention, our lives.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432598 is a reply to message #432478] |
Sun, 11 July 2010 17:34 |
Muad Dib15
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 09 July 2010 21:59 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2010 08:56 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 30 June 2010 02:10 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 23:59 |
hurrdurrr guns iz bad
derp de derr
this is fine faggots, don't bitch
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It is bad when undesirable people have easy access to some very dangerous, concealable weaponry. It then escalates to something worse when good, decent people need to buy those same weapons in order to feel safe.
It also means it's easier for crooks and criminals to send up arms and ammo to my country where firearms are heavily regulated. Because of that, more gang wars and power in the hands of outlaws in cities like mine and Toronto will make for more drugs heading down to your border in order to buy... firearms!!
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Yes, but they already are getting them fairly easily. The problem that criminals only understand force, and this is basically the only way to deal with the crims. MAD may be old, but it works when relating to people that are blatently ignoring the law. Gun crimes have gone down in DC since the ruling, and states with less gun control laws for the most part*, have lower gun crimes because people can defend themselves and it makes crims more leery of attacking someone if they don't know if the person has a gun or not. It's a crude method, but the only way to assure that gun crimes don't get out of hand because the crims are the only ones running around with guns because the rest of us have handed them in.
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It's sad that people actually believe this bullshit.
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Just completely ignore what I said. That's cool, just keep drinking the Koolaid and don't go crying to your government when your city falls into major gun crime because nothing has been done to help people protect themselves from illegal guns because all the legal ones have been regulated away.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432601 is a reply to message #432588] |
Sun, 11 July 2010 18:48 |
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liquidv2
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| NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 14:29 |
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 09 July 2010 00:21 |
Hmm, we have strict gun control laws, and there are incidents about once every decade...
Not convinced.
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The problem with using Great Britain as an example of how gun control "works" is that, while gun-related crime has gone down, the rate of violent crime has stayed pretty much the same. The criminals are just using different weapons now... and it's become illegal to defend yourself using any kind of weapon at all, even an improvised weapon that you only picked up because the other guy had a knife. Yours is the only country I know of that claims to have an epidemic of "knife crime"- and none of the laws that have been passed to deal with it have done any more good than the gun laws have. The sad fact is that attaching crime statistics to the type of weapon used only serves to associate all crime with that type of weapon in the minds of the people... with predictable results. "Save a life, bin that knife!" Right- until all the knives are gone and the criminals revert to something else. Pretty soon it'll be illegal to make a fist.
Of course, in Great Britain, there's also the issue of many people believing that authority comes down from the government rater than up from the people- thus whenever a new, more restrictive law gets passed, the average person shrugs their shoulders and says "they must have had a good reason." As similar as our societies may appear, we must remember that they are host to radically different cultures. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long for the Supreme Court to produce a definitive Second Amendment ruling... or that a ruling was ever needed at all.
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It is bad when undesirable people have easy access to some very dangerous, concealable weaponry. It then escalates to something worse when good, decent people need to buy those same weapons in order to feel safe.
It also means it's easier for crooks and criminals to send up arms and ammo to my country where firearms are heavily regulated. Because of that, more gang wars and power in the hands of outlaws in cities like mine and Toronto will make for more drugs heading down to your border in order to buy... firearms!!
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I do love how gun control advocates always state it as "need to buy weapons in order to feel safe" as though the gun were a snake-oil cure. It is a tool- if you know how to use it, it will do what it was designed to do. Hiding under a bed makes you "feel" safe- guns give you the means to ensure your safety.
Regardless of whether or not the presence of a weapon escalates any given confrontation, the police cannot be relied upon to defend the people. There are not enough of them; hiring enough of them would bankrupt the municipality- thus when you really need them to be there, they often are several minutes away. Yes, most of the time the bad guy is just looking to make off with some of your stuff, but you have no way of knowing what their intentions are. They could be telling the truth when they claim they won't hurt you if you hand over your wallet... but then again, they might just kill you to eliminate the possibility of you identifying them later. Every single confrontation with a criminal has the potential to kill you. I don't believe I'm ever going to be okay with the notion that it's somehow better to toss the dice and let them decide whether or not I live long enough for the cops to arrive.
As for guns crossing borders- first, banning guns in the US will not reduce crime in Canada. If your criminals want for weaponry, they will find other sources. Look at Mexico- despite what their government claims, most of the cartels' weapons are not coming from up here. Grenade launchers? RPGs? Sorry- they're as illegal here as there. Automatic weapons? Try again; they're so rare here that most gun owners have never even met someone who owned one. As for small arms, wanna guess which country Glocks, Sigs, HKs, Tauruses, Berettas, and half a dozen of the other most popular guns aren't made in? Do your bloody homework.
The absolute bottom line is that the threat of possibly being arrested if there just happens to be a cop near enough to respond in time (assuming you get the chance to call them at all) is not an effective deterrent. Streetcorner security cameras are no deterrent either- they'll be long gone by the time anyone makes an ID. The threat of immediate bodily harm or death, on the other hand, is a very effective deterrent. Yes, the bad guy will sometimes decide that he still has a chance after you produce a gun. Yes, the bad guy will sometimes still win. However, that is much better than the bad guy having success almost guaranteed. Remember that the scumbag wants to survive the encounter as much as the victim does; if he thinks he's going to be in danger of being killed if he picks you as his target, then more often than not he will choose not to target you.
Consider also that in order to make the news, any defensive use of a gun must include that gun being fired. Nobody cares about all the times the bad guy took off running the second it came out of the holster- which is, truth be told, what usually happens. Even notoriously right-wing Fox doesn't care to report such incidents- unless there's blood or at least a bang involved, it will never be seen on TV and you'd be lucky if it made page 5 in the paper.
You can keep your gun control. I'd rather be able to defend myself and the people I care about if some scum-sucking douchenozzle decides he's entitled to take what's ours- including, I might mention, our lives.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432695 is a reply to message #432391] |
Tue, 13 July 2010 12:42 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 09 July 2010 00:21 |
Hmm, we have strict gun control laws, and there are incidents about once every decade...
Not convinced.
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no we dont, have you seen how easy it is to get a shotgun licence?
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432703 is a reply to message #432695] |
Tue, 13 July 2010 18:02 |
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| jimmyny wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 15:42 |
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 09 July 2010 00:21 |
Hmm, we have strict gun control laws, and there are incidents about once every decade...
Not convinced.
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no we dont, have you seen how easy it is to get a shotgun licence?
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You can't exactly conceal a shotgun in a public place.
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432705 is a reply to message #431654] |
Tue, 13 July 2010 18:49 |
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NukeIt's better at the debate thing than I am, but, yeah... this is what America SHOULD be, stop complaining, dickwads 
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432829 is a reply to message #432705] |
Thu, 15 July 2010 21:32 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 18:49 |
NukeIt's better at the debate thing than I am, but, yeah... this is what America SHOULD be, stop complaining, dickwads
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 18:49 |
but, yeah... this is what America SHOULD be, stop complaining, dickwads
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 18:49 |
this is what America SHOULD be, stop complaining,
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnjzONrPiA
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/us/05guns.html?_r=1
Senators elected by their marksmanship? Guns in our kindergardens? Granted, only a shithole like Arizona would be this retarded, but this isn't the kind of thing you want to be glorifiying.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 18:49 |
this is what America SHOULD be
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Really?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432842 is a reply to message #432703] |
Fri, 16 July 2010 01:18 |
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| nope.avi wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 19:02 |
| jimmyny wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 15:42 |
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 09 July 2010 00:21 |
Hmm, we have strict gun control laws, and there are incidents about once every decade...
Not convinced.
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no we dont, have you seen how easy it is to get a shotgun licence?
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You can't exactly conceal a shotgun in a public place.
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get a nicely sized trenchcoat with custom inside pockets and that is a different story
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432845 is a reply to message #432840] |
Fri, 16 July 2010 03:46 |
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| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 01:08 |
SHUT UP DOVER
WEAPONS ARE GREAT
JOIN THE REDNECK ARMY
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That's easy for you to say. You're over in Germany where the women are blonde and the beer doesn't suck. If you were in some of the shittier parts of America, where WEAPONS ARE GREAT and evolution is still a theory, you'd actually care that there are people this stupid in existence.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: inc flaming [message #432876 is a reply to message #432875] |
Fri, 16 July 2010 14:23 |
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| Sir Baby De Porky wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 13:57 |
myabe hes commie.
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Would a bunka by any other name still be as retarded?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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