Home » General Discussions » Heated Discussions and Debates » Should we ban the burqa?
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430507 is a reply to message #430500] |
Fri, 11 June 2010 03:12   |
 |
Kimb
Messages: 607
Registered: August 2009
Location: There is no greater power...
Karma: 0
|
Colonel |
|
|
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 21:13 |
| Kimb wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 15:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 18:38 |
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 07:16 |
No, but that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
|
IRA/ETA are muslim as well? I think that terrorism isn't exactly locked to one religion. Also think of Falun Gong in China as another example. While China is more off the bad ass there (human rights and such), they do present Falun Gong as terrorists.
Don't forget that the resistance in WWII where terrorist to the regime in Europe as well.
|
And your trying to say what? Everyones a terrorist?
|
Everyone is a potential terrorist, depending on the situation.
|
No
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri 21 May 2010 06:58 |
This doesn't meet the minimum standards of spam.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430510 is a reply to message #430507] |
Fri, 11 June 2010 07:40 |
 |
EvilWhiteDragon
Messages: 3751
Registered: October 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars) |
|
|
| Kimb wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 12:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 21:13 |
| Kimb wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 15:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 18:38 |
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 07:16 |
No, but that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
|
IRA/ETA are muslim as well? I think that terrorism isn't exactly locked to one religion. Also think of Falun Gong in China as another example. While China is more off the bad ass there (human rights and such), they do present Falun Gong as terrorists.
Don't forget that the resistance in WWII where terrorist to the regime in Europe as well.
|
And your trying to say what? Everyones a terrorist?
|
Everyone is a potential terrorist, depending on the situation.
|
No
|
Ok. Good arguments.
So if some foreign government invades your country, lays down ridicules restrictions and such, you'll do nothing to stop it? Because if you do try to stop it, you're a terrorist from the foreign government point of view. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
There is a reason there is a saying like: History is written by the victor.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
| V, V for Vendetta |
People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430514 is a reply to message #430510] |
Fri, 11 June 2010 10:21 |
|
Kimb
Messages: 607
Registered: August 2009
Location: There is no greater power...
Karma: 0
|
Colonel |
|
|
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 09:40 |
| Kimb wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 12:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 21:13 |
| Kimb wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 15:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 18:38 |
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 07:16 |
No, but that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
|
IRA/ETA are muslim as well? I think that terrorism isn't exactly locked to one religion. Also think of Falun Gong in China as another example. While China is more off the bad ass there (human rights and such), they do present Falun Gong as terrorists.
Don't forget that the resistance in WWII where terrorist to the regime in Europe as well.
|
And your trying to say what? Everyones a terrorist?
|
Everyone is a potential terrorist, depending on the situation.
|
No
|
Ok. Good arguments.
So if some foreign government invades your country, lays down ridicules restrictions and such, you'll do nothing to stop it? Because if you do try to stop it, you're a terrorist from the foreign government point of view. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
There is a reason there is a saying like: History is written by the victor.
|
But the goverment is not rightfully there, so its not Terror, its freedom fighing. Take back what was ours. so "No"
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri 21 May 2010 06:58 |
This doesn't meet the minimum standards of spam.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430540 is a reply to message #430514] |
Fri, 11 June 2010 19:09 |
|
EvilWhiteDragon
Messages: 3751
Registered: October 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars) |
|
|
| Kimb wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 19:21 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 09:40 |
| Kimb wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 12:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 21:13 |
| Kimb wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 15:12 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 18:38 |
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 07:16 |
No, but that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
|
IRA/ETA are muslim as well? I think that terrorism isn't exactly locked to one religion. Also think of Falun Gong in China as another example. While China is more off the bad ass there (human rights and such), they do present Falun Gong as terrorists.
Don't forget that the resistance in WWII where terrorist to the regime in Europe as well.
|
And your trying to say what? Everyones a terrorist?
|
Everyone is a potential terrorist, depending on the situation.
|
No
|
Ok. Good arguments.
So if some foreign government invades your country, lays down ridicules restrictions and such, you'll do nothing to stop it? Because if you do try to stop it, you're a terrorist from the foreign government point of view. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
There is a reason there is a saying like: History is written by the victor.
|
But the goverment is not rightfully there, so its not Terror, its freedom fighing. Take back what was ours. so "No"
|
Point of view. Who determines what's wrong from right? I surely cannot tell. One could say USA, but another one could say they are no better than China and the likes with Guantanamo bay. Which both could be true.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
| V, V for Vendetta |
People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
|
[Updated on: Fri, 11 June 2010 19:10] Report message to a moderator |
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430542 is a reply to message #430515] |
Fri, 11 June 2010 19:12 |
|
EvilWhiteDragon
Messages: 3751
Registered: October 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars) |
|
|
| reborn wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 19:22 |
freedom fighter, or terrorist, interesting arguement...
|
Understand me right, killing innocent people is never the right thing to do, but the definition of terrorism is based purely on opinion. One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Edit: any killing is wrong. One can never determine whether the other truly deserved it and you're no better than the one you despise when you murder him, whether legally allowed or not, it's still morally wrong.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
| V, V for Vendetta |
People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
|
[Updated on: Fri, 11 June 2010 19:14] Report message to a moderator |
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430551 is a reply to message #430168] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 02:15 |
 |
reborn
Messages: 3231
Registered: September 2004
Location: uk - london
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars) |
|
|
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 22:12 |
| reborn wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 19:22 |
freedom fighter, or terrorist, interesting arguement...
|
Understand me right, killing innocent people is never the right thing to do, but the definition of terrorism is based purely on opinion. One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Edit: any killing is wrong. One can never determine whether the other truly deserved it and you're no better than the one you despise when you murder him, whether legally allowed or not, it's still morally wrong.
|
Let's assume you're right, and all you said above was true. Whether they're a freedom fighter or terrorist in this argument is irrelevant really. What you class them as is just a word.
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 06:04 |
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but it's a sad truth that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
|
If it helps, change it to:
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 06:04 |
Not all Muslims are freedom fighters, but it's a sad truth that nearly all freedom fighters are Muslim.
|
Banning the Burqa would help hinder acts of freedom fighting/terrorism.
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430552 is a reply to message #430551] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 03:48 |
|
EvilWhiteDragon
Messages: 3751
Registered: October 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars) |
|
|
| reborn wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 11:15 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 22:12 |
| reborn wrote on Fri, 11 June 2010 19:22 |
freedom fighter, or terrorist, interesting arguement...
|
Understand me right, killing innocent people is never the right thing to do, but the definition of terrorism is based purely on opinion. One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Edit: any killing is wrong. One can never determine whether the other truly deserved it and you're no better than the one you despise when you murder him, whether legally allowed or not, it's still morally wrong.
|
Let's assume you're right, and all you said above was true. Whether they're a freedom fighter or terrorist in this argument is irrelevant really. What you class them as is just a word.
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 06:04 |
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but it's a sad truth that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.
|
If it helps, change it to:
| reborn wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 06:04 |
Not all Muslims are freedom fighters, but it's a sad truth that nearly all freedom fighters are Muslim.
|
Banning the Burqa would help hinder acts of freedom fighting/terrorism.
|
I disagree, I think it would cause just more anger at the western world. Particularly because 'we' the 'modern' and 'civilized' world are forcing 'freedom' on other countries. While Freedom of Speech and Freedom of religion are very high morals, we should at least live by them ourself before we want to force them on others. Banning the burqa because a lot of muslims are terrorists (I do not agree to that, but just lets presume it is), would be wrong, we would violate the freedom of religion. Personally I'd like to see all religion banned, but I know that's not going to happen, so then we should allow all religions. The solution to this would be, as said earlier, banning all face covering clothes, or clothes that makes people unidentifiable, in public. This would be something I do find acceptable.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
| V, V for Vendetta |
People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
|
[Updated on: Sat, 12 June 2010 03:49] Report message to a moderator |
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430554 is a reply to message #430551] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 04:59 |
 |
GEORGE ZIMMER
Messages: 2605
Registered: March 2006
Karma: 0
|
General (2 Stars) |
|
|
| reborn wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 04:15 |
Banning the Burqa would help hinder acts of freedom fighting/terrorism.
|
no, no it would not
It's only an immature method of fighting a problem, when there are so many other alternatives.
Said alternatives won't be heard of because it involves the removal of the ability to use religion as a form of propaganda as it is... but then, if they did that, they wouldn't be able to do so with christianity like they'd been doing for years (unless they want to be seen for being the obvious hypocrites they are).
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT". It's immature, it's retarded, and it gets nothing done except make the other person beat the fuck out of you.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
|
FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430555 is a reply to message #430554] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 05:35 |
 |
snpr1101
Messages: 425
Registered: June 2007
Location: Australia
Karma: 0
|
Commander |
|
|
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 06:59 |
| reborn wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 04:15 |
Banning the Burqa would help hinder acts of freedom fighting/terrorism.
|
no, no it would not
It's only an immature method of fighting a problem, when there are so many other alternatives.
Said alternatives won't be heard of because it involves the removal of the ability to use religion as a form of propaganda as it is... but then, if they did that, they wouldn't be able to do so with christianity like they'd been doing for years (unless they want to be seen for being the obvious hypocrites they are).
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT". It's immature, it's retarded, and it gets nothing done except make the other person beat the fuck out of you.
|
Yes, politicians across Europe in their immaturity have traveled to their individual parliaments on tricycles and have sat down and accepted the banning of the burqa whilst sucking on lollipops and asking mommy for ice cream afterwards before being dropped off to kindergarten.
It's not "immature"; it's not "retarded" and it does get something done.
Edit: | GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 06:59 |
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT".
|
So much fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48
[Updated on: Sat, 12 June 2010 05:45] Report message to a moderator |
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430556 is a reply to message #430555] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 05:47 |
|
EvilWhiteDragon
Messages: 3751
Registered: October 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars) |
|
|
| snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 14:35 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 06:59 |
| reborn wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 04:15 |
Banning the Burqa would help hinder acts of freedom fighting/terrorism.
|
no, no it would not
It's only an immature method of fighting a problem, when there are so many other alternatives.
Said alternatives won't be heard of because it involves the removal of the ability to use religion as a form of propaganda as it is... but then, if they did that, they wouldn't be able to do so with christianity like they'd been doing for years (unless they want to be seen for being the obvious hypocrites they are).
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT". It's immature, it's retarded, and it gets nothing done except make the other person beat the fuck out of you.
|
Yes, politicians across Europe in their immaturity have traveled to their individual parliaments on tricycles and have sat down and accepted the banning of the burqa whilst sucking on lollipops and asking mommy for ice cream afterwards before being dropped off to kindergarten.
It's not "immature"; it's not "retarded" and it does get something done.
Edit: | GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 06:59 |
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT".
|
So much fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48
|
FAIL.
European ministers have not done that. They have proposed forbidding any face covering clothes, for the valid reason that having the face visible is needed for identification (safety) and normal communication (integration in some cases as well). That is different to banning just burqa's/niquaabs, which would be retarded as George zimmmer already explained.
What is fail however is that the Australian politicians have decided to censor the internet, to protect against terrorism and childporn. Even more fail is that some dentist website ended on the list, thus not being reachable any more. So tell me, how can you say anything about Europe? You don't live here and your information flow is obviously compromised.
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
| V, V for Vendetta |
People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
|
[Updated on: Sat, 12 June 2010 05:50] Report message to a moderator |
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430557 is a reply to message #430556] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 05:57 |
|
snpr1101
Messages: 425
Registered: June 2007
Location: Australia
Karma: 0
|
Commander |
|
|
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 07:47 |
| snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 14:35 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 06:59 |
| reborn wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 04:15 |
Banning the Burqa would help hinder acts of freedom fighting/terrorism.
|
no, no it would not
It's only an immature method of fighting a problem, when there are so many other alternatives.
Said alternatives won't be heard of because it involves the removal of the ability to use religion as a form of propaganda as it is... but then, if they did that, they wouldn't be able to do so with christianity like they'd been doing for years (unless they want to be seen for being the obvious hypocrites they are).
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT". It's immature, it's retarded, and it gets nothing done except make the other person beat the fuck out of you.
|
Yes, politicians across Europe in their immaturity have traveled to their individual parliaments on tricycles and have sat down and accepted the banning of the burqa whilst sucking on lollipops and asking mommy for ice cream afterwards before being dropped off to kindergarten.
It's not "immature"; it's not "retarded" and it does get something done.
Edit: | GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 06:59 |
Really, banning the burqa is the equivalent of taking someone's hat during an argument and then going "HAHA I WIN, I HAVE YOUR HAT".
|
So much fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48
|
FAIL.
European ministers have not done that. They have proposed forbidding any face covering clothes, for the valid reason that having the face visible is needed for identification (safety) and normal communication (integration in some cases as well). That is different to banning just burqa's/niquaabs, which would be retarded as George zimmmer already explained.
What is fail however is that the Australian politicians have decided to censor the internet, to protect against terrorism and childporn. Even more fail is that some dentist website ended on the list, thus not being reachable any more. So tell me, how can you say anything about Europe? You don't live here and your information flow is obviously compromised.
|
Excuse me sir; may I offer to you the definition of sarcasm.
"A form of humor that is marked by mocking with irony, sometimes conveyed in speech with vocal over-emphasis. Insincerely saying something which is the opposite of one's intended meaning, often to emphasize how unbelievable or unlikely it sounds if taken literally, thereby illustrating the obvious nature of one's intended meaning."
I understand that English may not be your first language; which may be a reason for your mis-interpretation of what I said.
If you read what I said again; and what George said; you may find that I disagree with him.
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430558 is a reply to message #430555] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 06:04 |
|
GEORGE ZIMMER
Messages: 2605
Registered: March 2006
Karma: 0
|
General (2 Stars) |
|
|
| snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 07:35 |
stupid shit
|
cool arguments bro
except for the part that you, y'know, didn't actually answer shit, and simply linked to a video (which I'll admit is much more well spoken)
have yet to see what banning the burqa would do other than being an immature act
I'll definitely agree with anything involving taking away certain special rights that muslins get in Europe, but I see no reason to take away the burqa (stupid as it may be to wear around in Europe)
Just to clear things up, I hate how a lot of muslims just run into Europe and cause problems constantly despite hating it... it does nothing but give the rest of the muslims a bad name. But banning the burqa will not do SHIT.
Oh, wait, I forgot, you guys LIKE it when the muslims get pissed off and riot all the time in Europe
right?
riiiight?
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
|
FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430559 is a reply to message #430168] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 06:49 |
|
|
To be fair, cultural rejection of their standards (European countries are by and large non-muslim anyhow) would be better, but that requires people to not be afraid, which after 9/11, is hard;
That is, countries like Britain should be saying: "This is OUR country, integrate in OUR society. We're already providing you a place to live, don't start dictacting how we should run it. If this country doesn't live the way you want to live, live elsewhere."
Renguard is a wonderful initiative
Toggle Spoiler
| BBC news, quoting... |
Supporters of Proposition 8 will argue California does not discriminate against gays, as the current law allows them to get married - as long as they wed a partner of the opposite sex.
|
| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
|
the hell is that?
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430561 is a reply to message #430559] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 08:18 |
|
GEORGE ZIMMER
Messages: 2605
Registered: March 2006
Karma: 0
|
General (2 Stars) |
|
|
| CarrierII wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 08:49 |
To be fair, cultural rejection of their standards (European countries are by and large non-muslim anyhow) would be better, but that requires people to not be afraid, which after 9/11, is hard;
That is, countries like Britain should be saying: "This is OUR country, integrate in OUR society. We're already providing you a place to live, don't start dictacting how we should run it. If this country doesn't live the way you want to live, live elsewhere."
|
Fucking exactly, being a passive aggressive, immature cock isn't going to solve anything. The muslims causing the commotion that they are won't get why the burqa would be banned. I mean shit, this is a group of people that are forcefully living in a land they supposedly hate- obviously logic does not apply to this group of muslims who can't attempt to adapt to their surroundings.
So instead, you have to be OPEN and DIRECT about it- just say no to the bullshit, and if they're not going to be polite, don't be polite either. If they want to start ANY kind of terrorism campaigns in Europe, then I can easily see a nice fat boot from Europe aimed in the direction of their rear ends.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
|
FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
|
[Updated on: Sat, 12 June 2010 08:20] Report message to a moderator |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Should we ban the burqa? [message #430591 is a reply to message #430588] |
Sat, 12 June 2010 16:32 |
 |
Spoony
Messages: 3915
Registered: January 2006
Karma: 0
|
General (3 Stars)
Tactics & Strategies Moderator |
|
|
treat religion like drugs imho. shouldn't be banned for an adult who is inclined to dabble in them, but kids need to be protected from them.
Unleash the Renerageâ„¢
Renedrama [ren-i-drah-muh]
- noun
1. the inevitable criticism one receives after doing something awful
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Fri Apr 26 23:19:36 MST 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.01546 seconds
|
Search
Help
Members
Register
Login
Home
