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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429290 is a reply to message #427982] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 05:34   |
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Goztow
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We had a discussion about this in the moderators lair and a majority found he should not be banned at this moment.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429429 is a reply to message #427982] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 09:39 |
Trojan
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Do you guys even understand the stupidity of you logic?
"Ohhhhhhhhhh Nooooo! Don't ban 0x90 he could get pissed off and make more cheats or find more exploits!!"
He already fucking well has. He ruined this game for everyone. You guys would rather make friends with him because he is super duper nice and you are scared of what he could do?
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden was an really nice guy too. The USA should of been his friend, and invited him to their country.
There should be no fear of what if. He has already ruined this game. What know he is going to try and fix it?
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429572 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 17:35 |
Tiesto
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Completely pointless.
Is there nothing else to get angry about in Renegade anymore?
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429611 is a reply to message #427982] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 10:48 |
Hitman
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OGFM! 0X90 IS GOING TO CRASH 2 747'S INTO THE RENEGADE HEADQUARTERS
ps: this is done from the satefy of his own secure basement, offcourse. He will just hack both planes and change direction.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429666 is a reply to message #429612] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 05:53 |
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EvilWhiteDragon
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| T0RN wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 19:52 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 11:06 |
| Trojan wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:39 |
Do you guys even understand the stupidity of you logic?
"Ohhhhhhhhhh Nooooo! Don't ban 0x90 he could get pissed off and make more cheats or find more exploits!!"
He already fucking well has. He ruined this game for everyone. You guys would rather make friends with him because he is super duper nice and you are scared of what he could do?
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden was an really nice guy too. The USA should of been his friend, and invited him to their country.
There should be no fear of what if. He has already ruined this game. What know he is going to try and fix it?
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Actually it's funny you mention that. First Osama and USA where friends, as in Osama worked for the CIA against the russians. Then the russians decided to go home and the USA said, screw you osama, we don't need you (anymore).
Look what happened, some decades later the idiot makes 2 planes fly in the WTC.
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LOL,and you believe that silly story still?
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As it has been confirmed yes. How do you think the Taliban would otherwise get USA military grade STINGERS? I know that the russian variants can probably bought all over the illegal market, but I suspect the USA ones to be a bit more guarded.
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Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
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People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429669 is a reply to message #429666] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 08:14 |
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cAmpa
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 14:53 |
| T0RN wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 19:52 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 11:06 |
| Trojan wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:39 |
Do you guys even understand the stupidity of you logic?
"Ohhhhhhhhhh Nooooo! Don't ban 0x90 he could get pissed off and make more cheats or find more exploits!!"
He already fucking well has. He ruined this game for everyone. You guys would rather make friends with him because he is super duper nice and you are scared of what he could do?
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden was an really nice guy too. The USA should of been his friend, and invited him to their country.
There should be no fear of what if. He has already ruined this game. What know he is going to try and fix it?
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Actually it's funny you mention that. First Osama and USA where friends, as in Osama worked for the CIA against the russians. Then the russians decided to go home and the USA said, screw you osama, we don't need you (anymore).
Look what happened, some decades later the idiot makes 2 planes fly in the WTC.
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LOL,and you believe that silly story still?
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As it has been confirmed yes. How do you think the Taliban would otherwise get USA military grade STINGERS? I know that the russian variants can probably bought all over the illegal market, but I suspect the USA ones to be a bit more guarded.
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lol.
Bückstabü!
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429689 is a reply to message #429612] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 11:03 |
Pyr0man1c
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| T0RN wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 11:06 |
| Trojan wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:39 |
Do you guys even understand the stupidity of you logic?
"Ohhhhhhhhhh Nooooo! Don't ban 0x90 he could get pissed off and make more cheats or find more exploits!!"
He already fucking well has. He ruined this game for everyone. You guys would rather make friends with him because he is super duper nice and you are scared of what he could do?
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden was an really nice guy too. The USA should of been his friend, and invited him to their country.
There should be no fear of what if. He has already ruined this game. What know he is going to try and fix it?
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Actually it's funny you mention that. First Osama and USA where friends, as in Osama worked for the CIA against the russians. Then the russians decided to go home and the USA said, screw you osama, we don't need you (anymore).
Look what happened, some decades later the idiot makes 2 planes fly in the WTC.
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LOL,and you believe that silly story still?
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How is it a silly story?
"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429780 is a reply to message #429755] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 12:29 |
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EvilWhiteDragon
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| T0RN wrote on Sun, 30 May 2010 13:50 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 11:06 |
Look what happened, some decades later the idiot makes 2 planes fly in the WTC.
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I should have been clearer. This is the part that is silly.
I know the other to be true.
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Ok, that might be right, but still, USA blames him and he takes responsibility. So, if it was someone else, why wouldn't he claim it then?
BlackIntel admin/founder/PR dude (not a coder)
Please visit http://www.blackintel.org/
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People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429883 is a reply to message #429600] |
Tue, 01 June 2010 10:58 |
Trojan
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 10:06 |
| Trojan wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:39 |
Do you guys even understand the stupidity of you logic?
"Ohhhhhhhhhh Nooooo! Don't ban 0x90 he could get pissed off and make more cheats or find more exploits!!"
He already fucking well has. He ruined this game for everyone. You guys would rather make friends with him because he is super duper nice and you are scared of what he could do?
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden was an really nice guy too. The USA should of been his friend, and invited him to their country.
There should be no fear of what if. He has already ruined this game. What know he is going to try and fix it?
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Actually it's funny you mention that. First Osama and USA where friends, as in Osama worked for the CIA against the russians. Then the russians decided to go home and the USA said, screw you osama, we don't need you (anymore).
Look what happened, some decades later the idiot makes 2 planes fly in the WTC.
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Except Osama's father, Salem Bin Laden, was a very wealthy man who started his own construction country in Saudi Arabi where be built entire empire and became quite close with the states. Osama himself was involved with the states for a time but the difference is in this situation the USA would not of sided with him after he caused such tragedy in the states. You really cannot compare this as 0x90 caused this trouble and now we are siding with him. Like I said before I really don't care if hes banned. It won't do anything but the way you are justify this has no logic.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #429889 is a reply to message #427982] |
Tue, 01 June 2010 11:26 |
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reborn
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If Osama Bin Laden made contact with George W. Bush and offered an olive branch, or offered freely to make some sort of lose pact, would George of hung up the phone?
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