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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428657 is a reply to message #428654] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 07:34   |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:19 |
| ImJamie wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 08:40 |
I never really cared about cheaters at cw.cc.
Cw.cc's recent death can be drawn back to one event...
the banning of simpee and clear over personal issues.
p.s (this is in no way a push to start that argument).
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perhaps you can explain three things. firstly why was there such a lack of players before you finally came to clanwars? secondly why was clanwars dead before i came back to it (and before simpee and clear were banned)? and thirdly, why we should anyone care what you say on the subject of undetectable cheats since, exactly like simpee but to a lesser extent in your case, you would take whatever opportunity for an unfair advantage you thought you could get away with... which is precisely the problem with undetectable cheats in the first place?
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yawn...
alright I have 20 minutes to kill.
Lets go.
Firstly the league was alive when I first arrived with 1000's of games in the months I played. Maybe not the same as it was in its prime but I could always instantly get a game. Dunno if you class that as alive, but I and many other do.
Secondly the month before you banned clear and simpleton was the most active the league had been in a long time and there was one factor that changed the next month when the league was once again dead and that was the banning of them two.
Thirdly, why did the post office want me to pay £10 customs charged for my EA game that I won.
Forthly the square root of 16 is 4 and that is the amount of time I intended to spend on this reply and is infact the amount of time I have.
p.s Play him off keyboard cat!
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428661 is a reply to message #428657] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 08:05 |
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| ImJamie wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 09:34 |
Firstly the league was alive when I first arrived with 1000's of games in the months I played. Maybe not the same as it was in its prime but I could always instantly get a game. Dunno if you class that as alive, but I and many other do.
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when are you talking about?
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Secondly the month before you banned clear and simpleton was the most active the league had been in a long time and there was one factor that changed the next month when the league was once again dead and that was the banning of them two.
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you've already been humiliated in this subject, sorry.
the league could've gone on just fine without scum like simpee... you had me, for example. i played actively and led a clan, and there was never a point where you had to worry about me playing unfair (compare that to simpee for a moment). i eventually quit because i was disgusted with the community. so if you're going to overly simplify matters and say "it died when person X left and therefore what drove person X out is what killed the league" then the community killed the league. it's the unavoidable conclusion of your bullshit train of logic.
you also ignore the enormous number of warnings simpee was given, all of which he ignored, and the repeated pronouncements that he could lift the ban very quickly by a straightforward apology (not much to ask after everything he'd done) and some assurance that he'd behave fairly and honestly in the future (shame he didn't seem physically capable of that)
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Thirdly, why did the post office want me to pay £10 customs charged for my EA game that I won.
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I've no idea, but I'm sorry to hear it.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428670 is a reply to message #428554] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 18:03 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:39 |
| luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 14:09 |
0x90 is someone you want on your side and could be a HUGE asset to Renegade. Any one who thinks he should be banned is either misinformed or completely retarded.
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some of the things you've said about 0x90 along these lines are not just ridiculous, they're insultingly ridiculous
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From you yes.
Why didn't this topic stay locked? It has no purpose.
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I requested it to be unlocked, as in all honestly, not everyone got a say in this and nothing was resolved, which would mean another topic in the future a-long the same lines possible. I'm sure that I'm not the only one that requested this tho.
I agree quite strongly with George and Spoony, He shouldn't be welcome here even tho he helps with RG problems (once every blue moon). It's exactly like Spoony said, A terrorist would be welcome in city A because he's done nothing wrong but in city b he'd be 'wanted for crimes'. If he's to be allowed here, then he does need to redeem himself in the eyes of the community and 'give something back' and attempt to understand the damage he's dealt to every rene-community in existance. The only points that I don't agree on is debating cw.cc issues and TT in general. This is about 0x90, let's not forget this.
edit: After reading a lil more, I wanna explain something. Jus because some cheat has 100+ downloads, does not mean that 1/3 of the community will be using it to cheat. Moderators will download it and test it with various anti-cheat and examine how it works etc. Jus thought I'd point that out.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428677 is a reply to message #427982] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 12:03 |
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0x90 is seriously the Osama Bin Laden of renegade. I do not think I would go so far as to classify him as a sociopath because generally there outbursts do not happen online through cheats. My opinion would be extreme insecurity, lacking friends most of his life. Then all of sudden he coded this aim bot and all of the low life cheaters were his new best friends. Why would he want to let go of that feeling?
I honestly doubt he can relate in anyway about how the clean players of this game actually feel about it, nor does he care because people actually have respect for him on the website he released it.
My opinion is that yes he should be banned. He is a piece of shit that ruined this game player by player. He may not of been cheating but he provided the means. As much as I want him to be banned I know it will do nothing. It's not going to stop him from making this cheats it will make him more inclined to do so.
The thing that disgusted me most with this thread was the amount of people defending him. This forum is for RENEGADE. 0x90 single-handedly destroyed the game we have been playing for years. He made an undetectable cheat that gives anyone that uses it countless advantages. People have spent years playing this game. Some of us played competitively and became very good at clan games. *cheat name removed*was then released and people were instantly gaining the skills we worked hard for. Some of us just played public and gained a lot of teamwork strategies and also got good. Again *cheat name removed*made new players equal. *cheat name removed*ruined renegade and it will continue if it isn't stopped.
Finally I just want to say fuck you to anyone who supported 0x90 because he ruined this game and you are doing nothing to protest it by defending his lonely ass.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428685 is a reply to message #427982] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 13:05 |
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Can I just ask one question: what is banning him going to do?
From my point of view, nothing but give him a reason to have animosity towards us. He rarely posts here to begin with.
And if I recall, he took the actual [anti-cheat forum refuses to allow me to name] hook out of the cheat in question a long time ago, and even explained to the RG team how to block RGH. They just never, you know, did it.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428687 is a reply to message #427982] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 13:09 |
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What if by accepting him here it appealed to his better nature?
It's not a nice option for players here that feel his presence is an insult to them, but it's not like the community here have allot of options (if any) to deal with 0x90 and his releases.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428688 is a reply to message #428687] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 13:19 |
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| reborn wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 21:09 |
What if by accepting him here it appealed to his better nature?
It's not a nice option for players here that feel his presence is an insult to them, but it's not like the community here have allot of options (if any) to deal with 0x90 and his releases.
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Community? Its barely a community anymore, just trolls and people looking for a bitchfest.
I wish people would put as much effort into TT as putting effort in posting in pointless arguments. TT would have probably been done by now.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428694 is a reply to message #428685] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 13:56 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:05 |
Can I just ask one question: what is banning him going to do?
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It's been answered. The Renegade community should make him unwelcome- why he's remotely welcome in the first place is just beyond me.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:05 |
From my point of view, nothing but give him a reason to have animosity towards us. He rarely posts here to begin with.
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So the Renegade community should be afraid of some douche who makes cheats and refuses to STOP making them? It's not like kissing his ass would do anything except make his already shitty personality even shittier.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:05 |
And if I recall, he took the actual [anti-cheat forum refuses to allow me to name] hook out of the cheat in question a long time ago, and even explained to the RG team how to block RGH. They just never, you know, did it.
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Good for him, but that doesn't redeem the fact that he, you know, refuses to stop making cheats.
| reborn wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:09 |
What if by accepting him here it appealed to his better nature?
It's not a nice option for players here that feel his presence is an insult to them, but it's not like the community here have allot of options (if any) to deal with 0x90 and his releases.
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Apparently, some of the higher ups already do accept him. Spoony and I are just saying he shouldn't be. We don't owe him one fucking thing. He owes us TONS, to repair the damage he's done.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428697 is a reply to message #428694] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 14:07 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:56 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:05 |
Can I just ask one question: what is banning him going to do?
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It's been answered. The Renegade community should make him unwelcome- why he's remotely welcome in the first place is just beyond me.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:05 |
From my point of view, nothing but give him a reason to have animosity towards us. He rarely posts here to begin with.
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So the Renegade community should be afraid of some douche who makes cheats and refuses to STOP making them? It's not like kissing his ass would do anything except make his already shitty personality even shittier.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:05 |
And if I recall, he took the actual [anti-cheat forum refuses to allow me to name] hook out of the cheat in question a long time ago, and even explained to the RG team how to block RGH. They just never, you know, did it.
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Good for him, but that doesn't redeem the fact that he, you know, refuses to stop making cheats.
| reborn wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 15:09 |
What if by accepting him here it appealed to his better nature?
It's not a nice option for players here that feel his presence is an insult to them, but it's not like the community here have allot of options (if any) to deal with 0x90 and his releases.
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Apparently, some of the higher ups already do accept him. Spoony and I are just saying he shouldn't be. We don't owe him one fucking thing. He owes us TONS, to repair the damage he's done.
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I'm not saying at all that these attacks on Spoony are right because I infact strongly disagree with them, but I'm just thinking that there really isn't much to be gained from banning 0x90. However, I'm beginning to see he seems to post here more often, so I don't know.
Also, with the part of him telling the RG team how to block it-that-must-not-be-named, I was just referencing the fact that nobody did anything about it. And I don't believe that we should be afraid of him, but since we're not in the position to defend the game from his cheats, there's no reason to encourage more attacks. Alas, I would gladly attempt to block *it* if I knew how, but unfortunately I do not have the time nor the skills to do that, and because of that I understand the predicament we're in.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428702 is a reply to message #428697] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 15:00 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 16:07 |
I'm not saying at all that these attacks on Spoony are right because I infact strongly disagree with them, but I'm just thinking that there really isn't much to be gained from banning 0x90. However, I'm beginning to see he seems to post here more often, so I don't know.
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yeah, and I'm glad- I don't know what made EWD think it was called for to have a Spoony bashing, it didn't make the Renegade community any better.
And, again, it might not be as apparent or as much of an immediate result- but banning him would show "Hey, douchebag, you're not wanted. Fuck off and stop making cheats, and we'll let you back in the community". Why this wasn't done before is beyond me.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 16:07 |
Also, with the part of him telling the RG team how to block it-that-must-not-be-named, I was just referencing the fact that nobody did anything about it.
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Yeahh, that's a little messed up. But then, I'm sure 0x90 would just make a new version that bypasses the RG fix anyways.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 16:07 |
And I don't believe that we should be afraid of him, but since we're not in the position to defend the game from his cheats, there's no reason to encourage more attacks. Alas, I would gladly attempt to block *it* if I knew how, but unfortunately I do not have the time nor the skills to do that, and because of that I understand the predicament we're in.
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If he's any kind of decent person that he's been made out to be, he wouldn't continue to attack us because we banned him. Instead, he'd be like "Ok, hey, sorry I fucked up the ren community... I'll stop making cheats". That's ALL he has to do- stop making cheats. It's that simple.
Otherwise, why would we WANT to keep around a guy who acts that immature?
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428706 is a reply to message #427982] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 15:20 |
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So... we can't even type the name of the cheat in these forums, but its cool for him to post here? And actually be on the good side of people who are making TT?
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| Tunaman wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 17:20 |
So... we can't even type the name of the cheat in these forums, but its cool for him to post here? And actually be on the good side of people who are making TT?
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Don't forget, people with building bars have had their PM rights disabled...
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428712 is a reply to message #428677] |
Tue, 18 May 2010 17:31 |
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Personally, I feel if TT/Renegadeforums.com admins feel that 0X90 will be a asset, then somehow it will be good to know how exactly he will be so.
Is he going to abandon his fans at ** (the cheat site?)
Is he going to stop releasing any new versions? (he mentioned something along these lines in the other thread I think)
Can he be trusted to help here, work effectively to undo the damage?
Is him being an asset EQUAL renegade being free of undetectable cheats in the near future?
Very doubtful but anyway I hope only the best decisions are made here.
And the million dollar question is why are we having this debate now? Why did this guy show up now? Has anyone from here had any steady form of contact with him all these years? What about the leak was so exciting to him?
When I discovered this forum back in Jan 2007, I only heard small bits of rumours of 0X90 and how he made the cheat. I also heard other rumours too not worth mentioning.
Anyway, as it was mentioned earlier, very little is known about this guy; the guy who has done the most damage to this little universe we have for ourselves called Ren.
Anyway, a analogy is quiet simple: 0X90 is like a defector from a foreign military. But we need to know [FOR SURE] if he is truly a traitorous defector and willing to help us against his old bosses or is he secretly loyal to and helping the country he
defected from; gaining more information to help his old country. This analogy isn't perfect but comes close imo.
I do think this is an important question. Personally...honestly, I find it incredibly hard to believe that he is all of a sudden going to abandon his old hobby, come clean, and infact turn into Renegade's huge asset to clean up the mess he created [a mess he doesn't understand/acknowledge]. What is he going to get from this "deal?"
This would be more believable if he infact made some sort of apology and clarified it. It would really hurt if he, as he has been doing, used his newfound grace among TT to improve his cheat or something of that sort (this is very well likely) and next thing we know is a more advanced version? Going on a tangent here but you get the idea...
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0x90 single-handedly destroyed the game we have been playing for years. He made an undetectable cheat that gives anyone that uses it countless advantages. People have spent years playing this game. Some of us played competitively and became very good at clan games. *cheat name removed*was then released and people were instantly gaining the skills we worked hard for. Some of us just played public and gained a lot of teamwork strategies and also got good. Again *cheat name removed*made new players equal. *cheat name removed*ruined renegade and it will continue if it isn't stopped.
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200% true...
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428767 is a reply to message #427982] |
Wed, 19 May 2010 09:57 |
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its not gonna get worse if the anti cheat your making is actually worth even considering, so i suggest you ban him from just about everything that's related to renegade, because i simply hope TT wont be bypassed at all, and there wont be a solution before it even comes out so why keep him around?
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| Azazel wrote on Wed, 19 May 2010 11:38 |
| reborn wrote on Wed, 19 May 2010 11:13 |
| Hitman wrote on Wed, 19 May 2010 11:49 |
its ridiculous that u guys even talk to this 0x90 guy lol, he deserves no respect whatsoever, i think some idiots here are just impressed by his coding skills that they forget that he's actually a major faggot that ruined the game by himself.
0x90: ok i promise to not make another *cheat name removed*update that will destroy the game even further
crowd: COOL you are my hero! your not so bad after all  
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Or rather, best not to piss him off too much because he could release far worse? We're in no position to combat his releases.
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There should be online international laws imo that prevent faggots like 0x90 from making cheats, or if they do, they get fined.
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i think there are certain laws that he might just be breaking, but i dont think anyone will actually care to make a case out of it, im not sure i could very well be wrong.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428770 is a reply to message #427982] |
Wed, 19 May 2010 10:00 |
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I'm not making an anti-cheat. It also seems clear that 0x90 is able to produce work faster, so I wouldn't relt on anti-cheat that hasn't even arrived yet.
Plus, he could do far worse than just release cheats.
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| Trojan wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 14:03 |
0x90 is seriously the Osama Bin Laden of renegade.
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He secretly works for Crimson to screw up the community and then make her look like the hero?
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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but I think a strong signal towards x90 that he's unwanted in the Renegade community wouldn't be misplaced even though it will not make a difference.
