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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428179 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 05:26   |
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Funny thing is, he does have a slight point.
Yes making cheats is bad. But the people who want to use them to make themselves look better are just as bad.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428182 is a reply to message #428178] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 05:37 |
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| Hex wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 08:17 |
I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect!
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I have a hard time telling if someone is trolling me or not, it's like a social ineptness on my part, but for the internet.
Was that a troll attempt?
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428184 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 05:46 |
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I imagine a certain post of mine is in one of the previous topics that were linked to. 
Goztow is right, the issue is that we care for the game and the community, and the cheats 0x90 produces ruin it.
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" *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do"
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Yes, but they'd have a harder time doing it if the program didn't exist. If all the ingame moderators had to contend with was big-head and other BIATCH detectable stuff, we'd have it easy with banning cheaters. You might not have cheated in a game yourself, but writing a program that lets others do it doesn't help. You've clearly (by self-admission, you don't play!) never had a game ruined by your own program, so I don't think you're in a position to make such silly statements about who is to blame.
You've (indirectly, but this is not a defense) ruined hundreds (or more) games; that is, people's leisure time, time set aside form work/school/whatever for enjoying themselves has been ruined by you.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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the hell is that?
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428187 is a reply to message #428177] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 06:03 |
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| reborn wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 15:13 |
To be fair, he could. I've seen a bit of his code, and from what I can gather, he codes for a living. It's infact this monoty of tidy code that I think he likes to escape by writing hacks and messy code.
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some sort of social life might be a better way of escaping that monotony?
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428188 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13 |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the behaviour, I don't even understand it.
However, from what I have seen, he would be capable or creating an anti cheat program.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428189 is a reply to message #428188] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 06:58 |
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...which would -a- be a bit more productive, -b- not result in quite so many people thinking he's a loser (which clearly hits him pretty hard, whether he can admit it to himself or not) and -c- would be more of a challenge
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428192 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 09:21 |
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The first step in fighting back an illness is to first acquire the illness yourself. Then you're able to build up antibodies to combat that illness so it never happens to you again.
I say the more cheats the better.
The longer you try to stop cheaters 'in their prime' the longer you have to deal with actual cheating in the game. But if you let cheaters make their cheats, it's much easier to then counteract those cheats and flat out deny them. That makes the cheater have to go right back to the drawing board if they want to cheat again.
Personally, I have not encountered a cheater in over a year. Cheating has decreased dramatically from what it once was. This is because of all the cheats that are made, most have met their anti-cheat counterpart. The more counters for different cheats there are, the less options cheaters have to work with. That's why it is the smarter move to let the cheaters make their cheats before you attempt to stop them.
It is absolutely pointless to get angry at them and/or confront them. It may be you right to get angry at them, but, honestly, why would you want to? It's like saying "I have every right to argue abortion to this brick wall!"
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428195 is a reply to message #428193] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 09:57 |
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if you only knew how much damage undetectable cheats have done to renegade clan gaming over the years.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428203 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 10:21 |
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I'm indifferent to 0x90's presence here
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Then again, banning anyone for anything automatically makes you a biased prick who shouldn't be a moderator.
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lol
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428206 is a reply to message #428198] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 10:51 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:08 |
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:57 |
if you only knew how much damage undetectable cheats have done to renegade clan gaming over the years.
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And if I did? What difference would it make?
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for starters i don't think you would have said what you said a few posts ago.
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How would you kicking cheaters from the forum benefit your clanwar experiences? How would it diminish the amount of cheaters who plague Renegade?
If you want to deal with cheaters, then deal with them. Don't take pointless steps that accomplish nothing for anyone.
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how fatuous.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428210 is a reply to message #428207] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 11:58 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:22 |
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:51 |
how fatuous.
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Why is that? Do you believe that if you ban a cheater from Renforums that they will stop cheating in Renegade?
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here's what you said.
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How would you kicking cheaters from the forum benefit your clanwar experiences? How would it diminish the amount of cheaters who plague Renegade?
If you want to deal with cheaters, then deal with them. Don't take pointless steps that accomplish nothing for anyone.
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this is nearly as stupid as what you said a few posts ago, the more cheats the better and all that tripe.
firstly, i didn't say banning 0x90 from the forum would undo the extraordinary amount of damage he has done to this game, especially the competitive sector of it. nor did i say it would diminish the number of the cheaters in the game. but if you're going to take this ridiculous line of reasoning, then let's be consistent. if the damage is already done, there's no need to dish out a penalty, right?
secondly it makes me sick to see more people defend him than flame him (because he's apparently nice and helpful to people on the forum... i'm sorry, but after the unbelievable amount of damage he's done to the players he's talking to, this is a mark of his dishonesty rather than his helpfulness, and it's sad to see how many people fall for it), and it makes me even sicker to see people take a brave stand against those of us who give him a piece of our mind.
thirdly, i've yet to hear a good reason to repudiate what i said in the earlier thread.
if he DOES want to get people to stop flaming him - and he's made it clear he is fairly desperate for that to happen even if he doesn't quite realise it himself - the only way i can see it happening is if he puts his supposed skills to work making a really good anti-cheat. if he doesn't want to be treated like the scum he is, he can start by undoing the damage he's done. until then i reserve the right to publicly humiliate him. maybe some people here don't gain some satisfaction from the knowledge that it obviously hurts him, but i'll go on the record that i do.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428250 is a reply to message #428210] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 16:05 |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
firstly, i didn't say banning 0x90 from the forum would undo the extraordinary amount of damage he has done to this game, especially the competitive sector of it. nor did i say it would diminish the number of the cheaters in the game. but if you're going to take this ridiculous line of reasoning, then let's be consistent. if the damage is already done, there's no need to dish out a penalty, right?
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Look again at the subject of this thread. The thread is asking if 0x90 should be banned from the forums for cheating in Renegade. It's not about you or what you said specifically, it's about his actions in the game and how punishment should or should not carry over onto the forums. You may have not said anything specifically saying that banning a cheater from the forums is going to stop them cheating in Renegade, but that is what this thread is about and you obviously are for him leaving the forum.
As for penalty, there should be none. Not because the damage is done but because he has done nothing wrong. I am completely sick and tired of people being labeled for things they do somewhere else. A cheater might cheat in Renegade, but the forum is a totally different place. Sure it might discuss the game and people might carry over their feelings onto the forum, but the fact remains that he has not broken any forum rules.
Banning from the forums would be nothing but a demonstration of power abuse.
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
secondly it makes me sick to see more people defend him than flame him (because he's apparently nice and helpful to people on the forum... i'm sorry, but after the unbelievable amount of damage he's done to the players he's talking to, this is a mark of his dishonesty rather than his helpfulness, and it's sad to see how many people fall for it), and it makes me even sicker to see people take a brave stand against those of us who give him a piece of our mind.
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That's your opinion but it doesn't make you right. I have never encountered him in Renegade nor do I know what 'help' he apparently gives, so what grounds do I have to hold him in contempt? You suffered from what he did and therefore you have a right to be angry with him. But like I said, just because you're angry doesn't make it right to ban him from the forum.
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
thirdly, i've yet to hear a good reason to repudiate what i said in the earlier thread.
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Which thread do you mean?
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428252 is a reply to message #428184] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 17:31 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 07:46 |
I imagine a certain post of mine is in one of the previous topics that were linked to.
Goztow is right, the issue is that we care for the game and the community, and the cheats 0x90 produces ruin it.
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" *cheat name removed*doesn't cheat ren, cheaters do"
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Yes, but they'd have a harder time doing it if the program didn't exist. If all the ingame moderators had to contend with was big-head and other BIATCH detectable stuff, we'd have it easy with banning cheaters. You might not have cheated in a game yourself, but writing a program that lets others do it doesn't help. You've clearly (by self-admission, you don't play!) never had a game ruined by your own program, so I don't think you're in a position to make such silly statements about who is to blame.
You've (indirectly, but this is not a defense) ruined hundreds (or more) games; that is, people's leisure time, time set aside form work/school/whatever for enjoying themselves has been ruined by you.
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Finally a moderator on these forums sees 0x90 for who he is. If all the 'grownups' of Renegade had that sort of attitude. hell, the Renegade community would be alot better off.
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I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect!
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The sad thing is, Reborn's not the only guy who supports 0x90.. I fail to see how educated men and woman who put so much of their time and money into Renegade can simply turn a blind eye to 0x90. So what if he hasn't broken any rules on the forums, The forums are the 'Offical Renegade forums' I don't see next to it -all cheaters welcome *open arms* ..
It's funny, when someone's found cheating then the mods here post the ip and serial etc. But when the guy that's made the cheat comes on the forums, he's allowed to do as he pleases..
I'm a 16 yr old that loves Renegade and yet I have more logic than 30 yr olds that have played longer than me? words fail me.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428255 is a reply to message #428250] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 18:05 |
Look again at the subject of this thread. The thread is asking if 0x90 should be banned from the forums for cheating in Renegade. It's not about you or what you said specifically, it's about his actions in the game and how punishment should or should not carry over onto the forums. You may have not said anything specifically saying that banning a cheater from the forums is going to stop them cheating in Renegade, but that is what this thread is about and you obviously are for him leaving the forum.
As for penalty, there should be none. Not because the damage is done but because he has done nothing wrong.
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Oh, my.
What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn.
0x90 "has done nothing wrong".
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I am completely sick and tired of people being labeled for things they do somewhere else. A cheater might cheat in Renegade, but the forum is a totally different place. Sure it might discuss the game and people might carry over their feelings onto the forum, but the fact remains that he has not broken any forum rules.
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it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing.
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
secondly it makes me sick to see more people defend him than flame him (because he's apparently nice and helpful to people on the forum... i'm sorry, but after the unbelievable amount of damage he's done to the players he's talking to, this is a mark of his dishonesty rather than his helpfulness, and it's sad to see how many people fall for it), and it makes me even sicker to see people take a brave stand against those of us who give him a piece of our mind.
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That's your opinion but it doesn't make you right.
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I wish I understood why people say things as dumb as this. Of course it's my opinion; whose else were you expecting when you saw a post from 'Spoony'?
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I have never encountered him in Renegade nor do I know what 'help' he apparently gives, so what grounds do I have to hold him in contempt?
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You think you know enough to say he "has done nothing wrong"...
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You suffered from what he did and therefore you have a right to be angry with him. But like I said, just because you're angry doesn't make it right to ban him from the forum.
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this is, again, a remarkably stupid thing to say. Not as bollock-brained as saying 0x90 has done nothing wrong, and maybe not quite as thick as "the more cheats around the better", but still pretty dense. Who said "he should be banned for the sole reason that he made Spoony angry"? When did I ever indicate that making one person angry is justification for a ban?
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
thirdly, i've yet to hear a good reason to repudiate what i said in the earlier thread.
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Which thread do you mean?
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goztow linked to it.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428256 is a reply to message #427982] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 18:34 |
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What would change if he was banned? This is a poorly thought out thread.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428260 is a reply to message #428255] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 18:59 |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
Oh, my.
What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn.
0x90 "has done nothing wrong".
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...on the forum. Done nothing wrong on the forum. Of course when you take what I said out of context it looks stupid.
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing.
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Yes, you're right. There needs to be some common sense usage here.
Common sense as in banning a cheater from a game in which he cheated. Cheating in the game goes against the rules and therefore a punishment is in order.
However, there is no common sense in banning the same guy from a forum for not breaking any rules at all.
I'm not the one being stupid here. Rules are made to protect people who want to play fairly, not punish the people who don't. The rule against cheating is to make it so people can enjoy a fair game. If you take that right away from the other players by cheating, then that is why you are then punished by being separated from them so you can't cause any more problems.
However, you can't cause the other people harm on the forum by using those same cheats that got you banned from the game. The forum is an entirely new dimension. So what if it is the forum for the game in question? You can't cause problems for the other people on the forum by using cheats designed for use in the game. That's why no punishment should be given on the forum unless a forum rule is broken, in which case that person then is causing problems for the other forum users and needs to be removed.
You don't punish people because you want to. You punish them to make sure everyone else can continue on in peace.
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
I wish I understood why people say things as dumb as this. Of course it's my opinion; whose else were you expecting when you saw a post from 'Spoony'?
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Ok, so how would you phrase it? You state an opinion, therefore it is your opinion. You rather I just say "that's an opinion?" Or rather I just say nothing at all? If the latter, then why make the point in the first place?
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
You think you know enough to say he "has done nothing wrong"...
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I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't. Gozy said in one of the first few posts in this thread that he has yet to break any forum rules. From that and the creation of this very thread, I can infer that:
1. He cheats in Renegade.
2. Has not broken any forum rules as of yet.
You can ban him from Renegade for cheating. But banning him from the forum makes no sense at all.
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
this is, again, a remarkably stupid thing to say. Not as bollock-brained as saying 0x90 has done nothing wrong, and maybe not quite as thick as "the more cheats around the better", but still pretty dense. Who said "he should be banned for the sole reason that he made Spoony angry"? When did I ever indicate that making one person angry is justification for a ban?
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I was generalizing. I wasn't specifically talking about what you said. I meant it as no body should be banned on the grounds that the person got someone else angry through unrelated issues. (Yes, unrelated. Because cheats that can be used in Renegade cannot be used on Renegade Forums)
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