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| danpaul88 wrote on Fri, 07 May 2010 10:13 |
And yet again we see how screwed up the UK electoral system is. The Lib Dems (at time of writing this, 36 seats are yet to declare results) have 23% of the total votes, yet they have less than 10% of the actual seats (51 / 650). The Labour party, with just 6% more of the vote (29%), has 500% more seats than the Lib Dems, with 245 (over 35%). Absolutely ridiculous.
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mmhmm, and the other house isn't even elected at all.
spreading democracy in the middle east is all very well, but i wouldn't have minded if tony blair decided spreading democracy in the UK would be worth doing too.
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #427706 is a reply to message #426139] |
Fri, 07 May 2010 09:18 |
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All bar one result now declared - major parties seeking to form a coalition gov't, not likely to last IMO.
Danpaul is correct, the system is completely flawed, to make it worse, the Lib Dems (despite losing 5 seats) gained 1% more of the popular vote, whilst Labour lost 6.2% of the popular vote (compared to 2005). The Lib Dems are currently very short of the number of seats the populace thinks they should hold.
I hope there is another election. This will never last.
I voted Lib Dem, incidentally.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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the hell is that?
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #427709 is a reply to message #427706] |
Fri, 07 May 2010 11:53 |
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about the same proportion of brits voted lib dem as the proportion of americans that voted for bush :/
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #427712 is a reply to message #426139] |
Fri, 07 May 2010 13:30 |
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You should write your media to abstain from using the term 'hung parliament' because it implies that nothing gets done.
Brown seems intent on courting the Lib Dems, and that means that they can play the 'electoral reform' card. It's not just limited to Brown; Cameron will need their help as he'll inevitably have to cut services and raise taxes, or for when he introduces initiatives that will cause England to tangle with the EU.
I do hope Cameron will have a slight change of heart and co-operate with the EU, if only on the subject of the Canadian/European Free Trade Talks. If he's a good conservative, he'll realize how beneficial it'll be for his country to have near unfettered access to ours(and America, by proxy of NAFTA).
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #428004 is a reply to message #426139] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 07:28 |
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I hope we don't get any more involved with EU than we already are, its quite evident that this single currency isn't working.
If we get PR, it will be a hung parliament every election, and nothing will ever get done.
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #428005 is a reply to message #428004] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30 |
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| Tiesto wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 09:28 |
I hope we don't get any more involved with EU than we already are, its quite evident that this single currency isn't working.
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I kinda have to agree. I might not be European, but I can't help but feel the UK gets fucked in the ass at numerous angles because of the EU.
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #428018 is a reply to message #426139] |
Tue, 11 May 2010 10:12 |
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We do, and the last thing i want is for us to hold up a failing union.
Theres even rumours that British taxpayers money is being put into this euro bailout fund. If this is true, its fucking ludicrous. It really is.
Why should we prop up a dead currency?
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #428074 is a reply to message #426139] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 00:11 |
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Lib Dems got 6% less of the vote than Labour, yet had approx 5 times less seats than them. That's pretty retarded...
But now... The lib dems who came Third in the election are now jointly in power with the winners due to the hung parliament and the coalition they formed.
This means that 1st and 3rd in the election are the winners, and second place got bugger all. Infact, the leader of the party that came Third is now deputy prime minister.
That's even more retarded!
What the hell happens if Cameron is killed while war breaks out? We've got the dude who's party came Third in-charge?!?! WTF?
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #428089 is a reply to message #426139] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 11:20 |
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No, as previously stated:
Labour got 256 seats with 29% of the popular vote (ignoring constiuency boundaries, which is how the system works, one constiuency is one seat).
The Lib Dems got 57 seats with 23% of the popular vote.
Fair much?
Reborn, I see your point, but bear in mind two things:
1) The Lib Dems gained 1% of the popular vote compared to the previous election. (Given that the # of voters also increased, this means they were more popular, just not with voters in the right constituencies).
2) Labour lost 6% of the popular vote compared to the last election. Again, given that #voters increased, this means that not only did previous supporters abandon them, but new voters didn't vote for them, either.
Labour came third in terms of public support, when you do a more thorough analysis.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #429770 is a reply to message #426643] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 10:29 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 23 April 2010 01:38 |
| Dover wrote on Thu, 22 April 2010 23:56 |
It's about 3 USD/gallon now, yeah. At it's peak it was 4.50 or so, but a decade ago it was barely over a dollar. I don't know what gas prices in the UK are now compared to what they are then
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Tiesto is correct. It's about £1.20/litre now, was about £1 at the time (the £1/litre mark seemed to be a kind of symbolic marker they didn't want to break, but once they did, they didn't fucking stop).
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but from what I understand absolute wages are higher there than they are here
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I don't really doubt that.
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and the British Pound is so much stronger than the US Dollar, so I'm sure it all balances out in the end.
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If the pound is stronger than the US dollar then this is probably quite a recent thing... not long ago the pound was in the gutter (but so was the dollar).
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No, we don't have a real national health service. And most of our immigrants work, yeah.
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well, that's two huge differences right there.
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Also -normal-. In the US we play three seperate taxes on gas at the local, state, and national level.
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But neither the tax rate nor the tax proportion, are anywhere near as high, I'll wager.
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Nobody notices or cares because all they see is the price on the big sign outside the station.
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Interesting point, I'll come back to that very shortly...
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And from what I understand health care is free in the UK, while here in the US we have people going broke because of doctors bills.
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Free in the sense that it's paid for by huge levels of tax. I think I read a while ago that it works out as something like £2000/year per adult (I'd be interested to hear how much does the average American adult pay for health insurance?). So your earlier point... all they see is the price on the sign? well, you're not seeing the enormous cost of UK healthcare. I might add that it's also in a terrible state. When the American healthcare debate really started to kick off, I was talking to an American friend about it. Coincidentally we both had a similar operation recently - in my case arthroscopic knee surgery, in his case it was a leg tendon or something. In his case he said something like: i saw the doctor on monday, had an x-ray on tuesday, booked the operation on thursday, and we were making love on friday and saturday, we chilled on sunday (sorry, went a bit off track there).
in my case it was more like: saw a doctor in january, booked an x-ray in march, saw another doctor in june, booked another x-ray in december, had surgery the next june.
now that was for a condition which meant i couldn't run or do anything particularly active, and walking was a rather slow affair (though oddly enough, driving was fine)... admittedly not lifethreatening though. imagine if you had a lifethreatening disease, cancer or something. where would you rather get treatment?
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Your problem is precisely why many if not all conservatives don't want state sponsored healthcare. If you want health insurance you should have to work to pay for it. I don't want other people giving me a free ride if it is going to take forever to get a problem fixed.
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #429899 is a reply to message #429770] |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 30 May 2010 12:29 |
Your problem is precisely why many if not all conservatives don't want state sponsored healthcare. If you want health insurance you should have to work to pay for it. I don't want other people giving me a free ride if it is going to take forever to get a problem fixed.
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But your system is inefficient, and wastes money. Canada's 'single-payer' health system is about 10% of total GDP, whereas America's non-public is 15%. So your country is already paying substantially more for much less.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #429905 is a reply to message #429770] |
Wed, 02 June 2010 00:31 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 30 May 2010 10:29 |
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 23 April 2010 01:38 |
| Dover wrote on Thu, 22 April 2010 23:56 |
It's about 3 USD/gallon now, yeah. At it's peak it was 4.50 or so, but a decade ago it was barely over a dollar. I don't know what gas prices in the UK are now compared to what they are then
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Tiesto is correct. It's about £1.20/litre now, was about £1 at the time (the £1/litre mark seemed to be a kind of symbolic marker they didn't want to break, but once they did, they didn't fucking stop).
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but from what I understand absolute wages are higher there than they are here
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I don't really doubt that.
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and the British Pound is so much stronger than the US Dollar, so I'm sure it all balances out in the end.
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If the pound is stronger than the US dollar then this is probably quite a recent thing... not long ago the pound was in the gutter (but so was the dollar).
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No, we don't have a real national health service. And most of our immigrants work, yeah.
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well, that's two huge differences right there.
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Also -normal-. In the US we play three seperate taxes on gas at the local, state, and national level.
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But neither the tax rate nor the tax proportion, are anywhere near as high, I'll wager.
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Nobody notices or cares because all they see is the price on the big sign outside the station.
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Interesting point, I'll come back to that very shortly...
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And from what I understand health care is free in the UK, while here in the US we have people going broke because of doctors bills.
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Free in the sense that it's paid for by huge levels of tax. I think I read a while ago that it works out as something like £2000/year per adult (I'd be interested to hear how much does the average American adult pay for health insurance?). So your earlier point... all they see is the price on the sign? well, you're not seeing the enormous cost of UK healthcare. I might add that it's also in a terrible state. When the American healthcare debate really started to kick off, I was talking to an American friend about it. Coincidentally we both had a similar operation recently - in my case arthroscopic knee surgery, in his case it was a leg tendon or something. In his case he said something like: i saw the doctor on monday, had an x-ray on tuesday, booked the operation on thursday, and we were making love on friday and saturday, we chilled on sunday (sorry, went a bit off track there).
in my case it was more like: saw a doctor in january, booked an x-ray in march, saw another doctor in june, booked another x-ray in december, had surgery the next june.
now that was for a condition which meant i couldn't run or do anything particularly active, and walking was a rather slow affair (though oddly enough, driving was fine)... admittedly not lifethreatening though. imagine if you had a lifethreatening disease, cancer or something. where would you rather get treatment?
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Your problem is precisely why many if not all conservatives don't want state sponsored healthcare. If you want health insurance you should have to work to pay for it. I don't want other people giving me a free ride if it is going to take forever to get a problem fixed.
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Yeah! In fact, why stop with health care? People should buy their own fire and police protection! And public schooling should be abolished! And people should pave their own roads! Down with the amenities of civilization!!1!
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| Re: my fellow brits... who're you gonna vote for? [message #429907 is a reply to message #426139] |
Wed, 02 June 2010 01:03 |
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The issues with the implementation of our public health care system are completely seperate from any hypothetical flaws in the concept of the public health care system.
Or: Too much red tape.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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