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| COMMUNITY FUN WARS ARE VERY SERIOUS! [message #418297] |
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Spoony, you had Mike, liquid and another jelly guy on your team and you know more than anyone about pointsfixed maps and the hg2 and mesa2 maps than anyone.
How can you even sperm over this win? Zell left early in the game and RC wasnt even on TS for 3 maps. It was basically me and t0rn trying to lead the game with people that probaly never played pointsfix OR knew the difference between hourglass and hourglass2, and how to PLAY on it.
.. gg's, it was a fun lobby war
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418301 is a reply to message #418297] |
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| TD wrote on Sat, 23 January 2010 23:50 |
Spoony, you had Mike, liquid and another jelly guy on your team and you know more than anyone about pointsfixed maps and the hg2 and mesa2 maps than anyone.
How can you even sperm over this win? Zell left early in the game and RC wasnt even on TS for 3 maps. It was basically me and t0rn trying to lead the game with people that probaly never played pointsfix OR knew the difference between hourglass and hourglass2, and how to PLAY on it.
.. gg's, it was a fun lobby war
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I don't think anyone is bragging over anything. Yes: we had 2 unplanned players to even up teams but it was also the first time we ever put these 13 people in one team and you had the home advantage. And it's obvious u didn't show up with your strongest players, but who really cares? In the end, it doesn't matter who won, but that it were friendly games with a lot of sportsmanship.
I hope we can organize some more of these games sooner or later.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418308 is a reply to message #418297] |
Sat, 23 January 2010 16:23 |
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| TD wrote on Sat, 23 January 2010 16:50 |
Spoony, you had Mike, liquid and another jelly guy on your team and you know more than anyone about pointsfixed maps and the hg2 and mesa2 maps than anyone.
How can you even sperm over this win? Zell left early in the game and RC wasnt even on TS for 3 maps. It was basically me and t0rn trying to lead the game with people that probaly never played pointsfix OR knew the difference between hourglass and hourglass2, and how to PLAY on it.
.. gg's, it was a fun lobby war
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settle down. sperm over the win? not really, but i will express how impressed i was with the team's organisation.
we knew from the beginning we'd probably have liquid on our team... i wouldn't really have minded anyone else making up the last 2 players, with the exception of zell and maybe rcmorr. i certainly didn't pick who came over to our side, apart from saying i didn't want zell (people may remember saying that). but still, if you want to say having mike and liquid explains the result, then go ahead... doesn't look that way to me. consider volcano, for example... quite obviously it was my strategy that won it. same with mesa.
not "knowing" pointsfix is not much of an excuse, you just have to unlearn all the bullshit you picked up thanks to the point mod you are using at jelly that lets you get points for no reason.
as for mesa2 and hourglass2, well, nobody has ever played hourglass2 before in a proper game. that's why i wanted to test it out, something i said right from the beginning when we organised it. jelly, liquid and goztow all agreed. as for mesa2 i think a lot of people know about how that works out; i've certainly gone to enough trouble to let them know.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418373 is a reply to message #418297] |
Sun, 24 January 2010 14:13 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 24 January 2010 15:52 |
well, i wouldn't say we had the edge in terms of individual skill. in terms of organisation, certainly. my team was far more quick to follow my lead than the clanwars team usually is.
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I will give you some credit spoony I am sure your team was better off with you leading, but I still say your team had better players.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418380 is a reply to message #418373] |
Sun, 24 January 2010 16:10 |
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| rcmorr09 wrote on Sun, 24 January 2010 15:13 |
I will give you some credit spoony I am sure your team was better off with you leading, but I still say your team had better players.
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i disagree, but even if it's true it doesn't amount to all that much.
eg non00bs vs clanwars. me leading non00bs both times (this was before i became a clanwars admin), clanwars had the "better players"... clanwars lost both series.
they tried to blame that loss on the fact we had "some clanwars players for us", meaning myself, ahteuhhh and remek. well, that's 3 "clanwars players" (who were also non00bs players) vs an entire team of clanwars players... they just had poor teamwork. seems like what happened yesterday, hmm.
clanwars vs OS a few weeks ago. clanwars had by far the better players (kill, nunega, whiskey etc) - but clanwars lost, because that was the one and only comm match i've led where my team totally didn't listen to the leader.
you occasionally hear idiots like karmai saying the only reason the jelly team has such a good record in community matches is because they have a couple of clanwars players for them (clearshot, zell etc). totally untrue... every time there's been a question of the importance of individual skill vs organisation in community matches, everyone else harped on about individual skill, i took the organisation side, and... false humility aside... i've been proven right every time
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418384 is a reply to message #418380] |
Sun, 24 January 2010 16:20 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 24 January 2010 18:10 |
| rcmorr09 wrote on Sun, 24 January 2010 15:13 |
I will give you some credit spoony I am sure your team was better off with you leading, but I still say your team had better players.
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i disagree, but even if it's true it doesn't amount to all that much.
eg non00bs vs clanwars. me leading non00bs both times (this was before i became a clanwars admin), clanwars had the "better players"... clanwars lost both series.
they tried to blame that loss on the fact we had "some clanwars players for us", meaning myself, ahteuhhh and remek. well, that's 3 "clanwars players" (who were also non00bs players) vs an entire team of clanwars players... they just had poor teamwork. seems like what happened yesterday, hmm.
clanwars vs OS a few weeks ago. clanwars had by far the better players (kill, nunega, whiskey etc) - but clanwars lost, because that was the one and only comm match i've led where my team totally didn't listen to the leader.
you occasionally hear idiots like karmai saying the only reason the jelly team has such a good record in community matches is because they have a couple of clanwars players for them (clearshot, zell etc). totally untrue... every time there's been a question of the importance of individual skill vs organisation in community matches, everyone else harped on about individual skill, i took the organisation side, and... false humility aside... i've been proven right every time
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It takes good leadership/teamwork to win on volcano as nod in a 13vs13 I agree. It also takes good leadership to win on hourglass by taking the hill. Not to mention the great teamwork needed on mesa with artys in the middle and bridge. I did not play field but I'm sure it was your leadership and superior teamwork that won the game.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418388 is a reply to message #418384] |
Sun, 24 January 2010 16:33 |
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| rcmorr09 wrote on Sun, 24 January 2010 17:20 |
It takes good leadership/teamwork to win on volcano as nod in a 13vs13 I agree.
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are you saying nod has the advantage on volcano? well, i don't think it was us who picked the map, but i'd have been quite happy as gdi. and my strategy worked flawlessly on volcano...
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It also takes good leadership to win on hourglass by taking the hill.
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well, let me rephrase that slightly, and say it takes a poor leader not to take the hill. i don't think i'm going to let you get a mass of arties up there (which you were trying to do, remember...we had the same idea as you, but we did it better... again, thanks to superior leadership and teamwork)
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Not to mention the great teamwork needed on mesa with artys in the middle and bridge.
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yes. we were playing mesa2, which is totally fair between gdi and nod. mesa1 maybe nod has an advantage, but i'd have been quite happy to have been gdi. again, we had the better organisation... i didn't see any of your guys going for the box, for example, nor did anyone try grenading the strip for a faster med, nor any real effort to control the bridge or the sides.
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I did not play field but I'm sure it was your leadership and superior teamwork that won the game.
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yes. your team did have a good start since you killed our harv, but they made a crucial mistake after that. we sent everybody to the field... we had one person defending, everyone else was either tanks or techs. your team was more like 60-70% focused on the field, so we took it. so yes, it indeed was my leadership and our superior teamwork that won the game.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418459 is a reply to message #418297] |
Mon, 25 January 2010 17:29 |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 14:00 |
Can we just keep it at: "we had good games which were good fun"? After all, that's all I wanted.
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i think it's quite important not to have people spread the nonsense that we'll only get anywhere if we have "top players" on our side. was a big turnoff when the clanwars idiots always said it after every community match (even when all the evidence was pointing the other way)
more people are probably going to want to take part if they know they don't have to be kill or uded to be valuable to the team, just so long as they follow the leader we won't go too far wrong.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418460 is a reply to message #418459] |
Mon, 25 January 2010 17:49 |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 18:29 |
| Goztow wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 14:00 |
Can we just keep it at: "we had good games which were good fun"? After all, that's all I wanted.
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i think it's quite important not to have people spread the nonsense that we'll only get anywhere if we have "top players" on our side. was a big turnoff when the clanwars idiots always said it after every community match (even when all the evidence was pointing the other way)
more people are probably going to want to take part if they know they don't have to be kill or uded to be valuable to the team, just so long as they follow the leader we won't go too far wrong.
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agreed
It was a fun game, and the fact that a team who doesn't know eachother atall was able to pull off any wins is kinda cool IMO.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418463 is a reply to message #418461] |
Mon, 25 January 2010 18:07 |
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i was just repudiating what td and rcmorr said, as well as making a very important point about community matches which, quite possibly, will lead to more people wanting to be involved with them.
by great contrast, what was it you said in the signup thread? something like it'll all go wrong if you let spoony play? (nice prediction) and that was just because you were bitter over losing a pointsfix debate and just wanted to flame me somehow.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418472 is a reply to message #418468] |
Mon, 25 January 2010 20:33 |
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I said something along the lines that some certain people will not play for a team that you lead. I was right. Call it harsh if you want, but i don't like you, so i refuse to play under your leadership. I was offered to play, and turned it down for that sole reason.
I never said anything will go wrong, you read what you wanted to read, because you love to argue. Same old Spoony. Still have it in your head that i "lost" the "argument", when I left the argument because of the fact that one side was blinded by his own arrogance, and was to afraid to attempt to step into the other sides shoes to understand where he is coming from.
"Lost" and "argument" are what you call it. I call it giving up on a lost cause, and a joke of an excuse of a hobby.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418473 is a reply to message #418472] |
Mon, 25 January 2010 20:42 |
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| HaTe wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 21:33 |
I said something along the lines that some certain people will not play for a team that you lead. I was right. Call it harsh if you want, but i don't like you, so i refuse to play under your leadership. I was offered to play, and turned it down for that sole reason.
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actually no you weren't offered to play, and given your appalling attitude i wouldn't have let you play if you did want to.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418495 is a reply to message #418297] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 04:04 |
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He was offered to play as I PM'ed a multitude of active forum members to get a decent number of players.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418507 is a reply to message #418472] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 08:50 |
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| HaTe wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 03:33 |
I said something along the lines that some certain people will not play for a team that you lead. I was right. Call it harsh if you want, but i don't like you, so i refuse to play under your leadership. I was offered to play, and turned it down for that sole reason.
I never said anything will go wrong, you read what you wanted to read, because you love to argue. Same old Spoony. Still have it in your head that i "lost" the "argument", when I left the argument because of the fact that one side was blinded by his own arrogance, and was to afraid to attempt to step into the other sides shoes to understand where he is coming from.
"Lost" and "argument" are what you call it. I call it giving up on a lost cause, and a joke of an excuse of a hobby.
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I don't see why you have to like someone to play as part of a team. Sure it helps, but its not like you are having a chat about life and talking about meeting for a drink during a commwar..
I'm sure there are people who don't like me at Exodus, but i'm also sure it won't stop them from signing up for wars there (knowing that i'll be leading) either. Yeah, if we all get along like one happy family its a bonus, but i couldn't careless either way.
I just don't see how you could use that as an excuse IMO obviously. Just more like you have no intention of playing but thought you'd have a dig at spoony.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418511 is a reply to message #418472] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 09:08 |
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| HaTe wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 21:33 |
I said something along the lines that some certain people will not play for a team that you lead. I was right. Call it harsh if you want, but i don't like you, so i refuse to play under your leadership. I was offered to play, and turned it down for that sole reason.
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Pretty sure you're the only one there (a few others being similar minded people who think it's cool to constantly be retarded in arguments against Spoony). The rest of us were ok with it, lol.
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418513 is a reply to message #418506] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 09:13 |
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| HaTe wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 09:26 |
I wasn't aware that you were the decider of who gets to play, and who doesn't. If you indeed had that role, then that's a rather poor decision on your part. If i wanted to play, i would have.....you saying he cannot play because of his attitude towards me, and the fact that i know he is right, wouldn't have changed anything.
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so you said a few people wouldn't play if i was on the team? well, who? you, loki and nunega? none of which are a great loss tbh, especially when set against the fact i'm sure quite a few other players - better ones - were positively encouraged to play by the prospect of me leading the team.
and it would not be a poor decision at all to avoid picking you, trust me. if your attitude ingame is anything like your attitude on forums (and it is) then it would be more trouble than it's worth.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418523 is a reply to message #418297] |
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Any renforums member could sign up. I only refused one, as he was a known and exposed cheater.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418525 is a reply to message #418297] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 12:14 |
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well, let me rephrase that slightly, and say it takes a poor leader not to take the hill. i don't think i'm going to let you get a mass of arties up there (which you were trying to do, remember...we had the same idea as you, but we did it better... again, thanks to superior leadership and teamwork)
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I disagree here, taking the hill is more based off talent than planning imo, and you did it better due to more talent and better players. You can have the the better plan or strategy but you still need decent players to execute it.
It does not matter anyway, the game is done and it was fun to an extent. I hope we can do another real soon.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418557 is a reply to message #418525] |
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| rcmorr09 wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 13:14 |
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well, let me rephrase that slightly, and say it takes a poor leader not to take the hill. i don't think i'm going to let you get a mass of arties up there (which you were trying to do, remember...we had the same idea as you, but we did it better... again, thanks to superior leadership and teamwork)
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I disagree here, taking the hill is more based off talent than planning imo, and you did it better due to more talent and better players. You can have the the better plan or strategy but you still need decent players to execute it.
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...yet if i didn't tell as many people to take the hill as i did, your arties would've overcome the MRLSs earlier. we only just killed the obelisk before the MRLSs were beaten back. fewer MRLS and fewer hotwires, even one or two, probably = ob survives
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It does not matter anyway, the game is done and it was fun to an extent. I hope we can do another real soon.
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Certainly.
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| Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418570 is a reply to message #418557] |
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Spoony, you have played with me maybe a max of 10 times while knowing it was me, don't start acting like you know how i play. I said that CERTAIN people will not play, and that is true. I didn't REFUSE to play, i chose not to. One main reason is that i know that if something went wrong, Spoony would immediately target the players he dislikes first. I'm not going to play for someone who I disagree with in tactics, and in basically everything else, both Renegade related, and attitude/personality. If you do think that my attitude is truly bad in game, then give me proof please, logs should do. Otherwise you are just attempting to prove something untrue again.
Spoony has never been more than a person who gets his kicks in arguing, and a person who's hobby is to get people to join his side against others. I don't want that sort of person to lead me, call me a "jerk" if you will, i don't care. Now, go ahead and try and beat me in an argument I'm not a part of again, it should amuse us all once again. I don't like loki, i don't know Nunega, so don't associate me with them because you think that you are the top man of this forums. No offense, i think that doing what you do is honestly something you enjoy, but for 99% of the population, sitting on a forums, just for the reason to argue when possible, is not there idea of a "life".
This was basically what started you randomly attacking me in the pointsfix debate:
Me: "I see what you mean, and the pointsfix is for the better, sometimes, in my opinion"
You: EVERYTHING ABOUT THE POINTSFIX IS BETTER, AND I WILL PROVE IT BY QUOTING YOU AND SPAMMING YOU WITH HOW WRONG YOU ARE. I WILL SIT ON THE FORUMS ALL DAY AND FIND EVERY LITTLE THING WRONG WITH WHAT YOU POSTED WHILE DOING SO. I WILL THEN CONVINCE THE RENEGADE COMMUNITY THAT I AM ONLY TRYING TO IMPROVE THE GAME OF RENEGADE, WHEN I AM ACTUALLY JUST HERE TO ARGUE.
Minus the caps, of course.
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rcmorr09: "I will give you some credit spoony I am sure your team was better off with you leading, but I still say your team had better players."
You: No, the renforums team was not better, it was solely the fact that i led the team, that we won. I will now go ahead and point out everything that would have gone wrong if i was not the leader.
Seriously, learn to SHUT THE FUCK UP. Then get yourself a new hobby, maybe then will someone actually be able to have a peaceful conversation with you.
We get it, the fact that you led, helped to win the games for renforums, there is no need to keep proving your point, you are only making yourself look like more of a douchebag than you actually are.
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