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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416428 is a reply to message #415183] Fri, 01 January 2010 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this is a joke right? I've read that stuff(the stuff Hitman posted on his fake(?) list.. it was pretty ridiculous if you read it) before on this very forum I think? Definately stuff I've read before.. Hitman probably saw it wherever I did and I haven't been around renegade at all in 2 years.

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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416431 is a reply to message #415183] Fri, 01 January 2010 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416432 is a reply to message #415183] Fri, 01 January 2010 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416440 is a reply to message #416428] Fri, 01 January 2010 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tunaman wrote on Fri, 01 January 2010 14:11

this is a joke right? I've read that stuff(the stuff Hitman posted on his fake(?) list.. it was pretty ridiculous if you read it) before on this very forum I think? Definately stuff I've read before.. Hitman probably saw it wherever I did and I haven't been around renegade at all in 2 years.


It wasn't fake, I can confirm this considering that I have access to the forum where the actual changelog was posted by jonwil.
Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416441 is a reply to message #416440] Fri, 01 January 2010 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TruYuri wrote on Fri, 01 January 2010 16:40

Tunaman wrote on Fri, 01 January 2010 14:11

this is a joke right? I've read that stuff(the stuff Hitman posted on his fake(?) list.. it was pretty ridiculous if you read it) before on this very forum I think? Definately stuff I've read before.. Hitman probably saw it wherever I did and I haven't been around renegade at all in 2 years.


It wasn't fake, I can confirm this considering that I have access to the forum where the actual changelog was posted by jonwil.

Same. Which is why I'm baffled that anyone would willingly give him this info...


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416488 is a reply to message #415183] Sat, 02 January 2010 02:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The information in question is not particularly secret, in fact something essentially the same will appear in the next public type changelog post I make whenever I get around to doing that.
Anyone who thinks the list of files checked by the anti-cheat should be kept a secret clearly has never heard of "security through obscurity" and why many security experts believe "security through obscurity" is no better than no security at all.


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #416491 is a reply to message #415183] Sat, 02 January 2010 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But it also was confirmed heret hat some security through obscurity would be needed for TT...

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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432604 is a reply to message #416306] Sun, 11 July 2010 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hitman wrote on Thu, 31 December 2009 08:50

my very reliable source also states that if the resource downloader is in there, tt wont be released untill early summer


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432629 is a reply to message #432604] Mon, 12 July 2010 04:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 21:12

Hitman wrote on Thu, 31 December 2009 08:50

my very reliable source also states that if the resource downloader is in there, tt wont be released untill early summer


:/



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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432635 is a reply to message #432604] Mon, 12 July 2010 06:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 12 July 2010 04:12

Hitman wrote on Thu, 31 December 2009 08:50

my very reliable source also states that if the resource downloader is in there, tt wont be released untill early summer


:/


He never said what year.
Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432639 is a reply to message #415183] Mon, 12 July 2010 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rest assured we are working hard on 4.0 with the aim to have it out as soon as possible.

We do not have any release date so please dont ask us to give one.
I will say though that we are very close to being able to launch a SSGM 4.0 test server (that is a server running on WOL/GSA/whatever that any renegade player can join and play on where said server will be running the new SSGM 4.0 which I have been working hard on)

Again, dont ask for dates on when this server will be up and running, when it is ready we will most likely make a big announcement.


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432642 is a reply to message #415183] Mon, 12 July 2010 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We appreciate that you're working hard on this, but it's taking a stupid length of time for it to be released... We were promised something exceptional a number of years ago, and nothing has been delivered as of yet.

Just keep up the hard work and get it finished as soon as you can.


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Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26

Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)

Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.






Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432647 is a reply to message #432642] Mon, 12 July 2010 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hypnos wrote on Mon, 12 July 2010 09:39

We appreciate that you're working hard on this, but it's taking a stupid length of time for it to be released... We were promised something exceptional a number of years ago, and nothing has been delivered as of yet.

Just keep up the hard work and get it finished as soon as you can.


Well you cant rlly complain. Im guessing ur not writing code for the project. And for some ppl renegade < life , and they cant dedicate all their free time to it.

2 options:
1. Keep playing renegade and wait.
2. Stop playing.
Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432665 is a reply to message #415183] Mon, 12 July 2010 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Part of the reason it has taken so long is that we have done a lot more in 4.0 than we originally intended. Most notably we have eliminated a lot of the things that made scripts 3.x suck so much (especially in the graphics area)


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432669 is a reply to message #432665] Mon, 12 July 2010 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rather have a shitty looking game with less cheaters then a good looking game with cheaters lurking everywhere honestly.

What Hypnos said though^


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432674 is a reply to message #415183] Mon, 12 July 2010 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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These graphics changes were just to make it look pretty, they were (and are) intended to make it run faster, especially for people with older graphics cards. And to eliminate bugs (and 3.4.4 had a LOT of them)

Also, we DO have a totally new anti-cheat system that works great.


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432685 is a reply to message #415183] Tue, 13 July 2010 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We've heard that you have this fantastic anti-cheat, yet none of us have seen it in action.

I completely understand the principle that real life prevails over online gaming, and I stand by it every single time.

I also understand you've suffered some complications with this project, but does it seriously take years to create something, that probably by the time you release it, nobody that's active now will be able to benefit from it?

All I can say is, I look forward to you releasing this - but I won't be holding my breath.


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Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26

Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)

Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.






Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432692 is a reply to message #415183] Tue, 13 July 2010 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doesn't really matter when it comes out to me.
From what I understand the vast majority of TT are bug fixes and related improvements, nothing that will really change the game as we know it. Server owners will benefit from the anti-cheat and resource downloader, modders will benefit from the many improvements we see with each release of custom scripts.dll and everyone will benefit from the bug fixes.
Point being, TT won't miraculously revive Renegade to its former glory as some people seem to suggest, but when it is released, I'm sure those of us who are still around will appreciate their hard work.
Obviously though, sooner is better as we're all looking forward to it Thumbs Up
Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432704 is a reply to message #415183] Tue, 13 July 2010 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I should point out that all the anti cheat functionality is getting a good workout via tests being done by the APB, AR and Reborn guys.



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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432706 is a reply to message #415183] Tue, 13 July 2010 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Still defeats the purpose of creating a patch for one game, and then testing it on another...

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Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26

Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)

Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.






Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432714 is a reply to message #432706] Wed, 14 July 2010 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hypnos wrote on Wed, 14 July 2010 03:45

Still defeats the purpose of creating a patch for one game, and then testing it on another...


It's the same game engine, different content. APB / AR / Reborn could be thought of as just epicly skinned versions of Renegade, as far as coding is concerned.


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Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #432724 is a reply to message #415183] Wed, 14 July 2010 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe so, but you should still let the ones who're going to be directly affected by this have a bash at it.

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Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26

Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)

Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.






Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #433573 is a reply to message #415183] Tue, 27 July 2010 01:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They are. It's just easier this way to weed out bugs for all of them simultaneously.

Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #433784 is a reply to message #415183] Fri, 30 July 2010 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If the games run on the same engine, how is it easier testing it one rather than the other?

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Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26

Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)

Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.






Re: January 1 - 2010 [message #433789 is a reply to message #433784] Fri, 30 July 2010 01:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Hypnos wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 10:16

If the games run on the same engine, how is it easier testing it one rather than the other?

The beta teams are actually bughunting, and have more experience in this than a new Renegade beta team would.

Anyway, code wise we're close to a public beta. Some organizational issues might take some time though.


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