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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:43 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:40 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
It shows that there are in fact negative effects (in his view) when you pit female and male gamers together. By having a female as his partner, the likelihood of this is far greater as males outnumber females by a huge margin.
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It seems you missed my point. This is going to happen no matter what, and nothing Oblivion does short of not playing online games is going to change that. The volume of how much he experiences it isn't that relevant, especially if it happens enough to the point where it stops bother him.
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
I thought you were all about logic...I therefore assumed you might be capable of figuring this out of yourself. You probably opted to get snacks instead...the overweight kid that redefined the field of theory has to get his immense energy from somewhere.
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Faggot.
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It didn't seem to bother him when he had a male gaming buddy, so that was a thought-through comeback, fatty!!!11
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It bothered him enough to develop some kind of adversity to female gamers, which is what began this entire discussion. 2/10 troll. Try harder.
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Please, by all means. Call in the PLECOS.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410563 is a reply to message #410561] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:44 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:43 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
It shows that there are in fact negative effects (in his view) when you pit female and male gamers together. By having a female as his partner, the likelihood of this is far greater as males outnumber females by a huge margin.
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It seems you missed my point. This is going to happen no matter what, and nothing Oblivion does short of not playing online games is going to change that. The volume of how much he experiences it isn't that relevant, especially if it happens enough to the point where it stops bother him.
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
I thought you were all about logic...I therefore assumed you might be capable of figuring this out of yourself. You probably opted to get snacks instead...the overweight kid that redefined the field of theory has to get his immense energy from somewhere.
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Faggot.
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It didn't seem to bother him when he had a male gaming buddy, so that was a thought-through comeback, fatty!!!11
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It bothered him enough to develop some kind of adversity to female gamers, which is what began this entire discussion. 2/10 troll. Try harder.
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No more arguing on Renforums without wearing glasses for you...either that, or you're just THAT dumb.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410565 is a reply to message #410564] |
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| surthagain wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:50 |
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Blasphemy, but beggars can't be choosers. Continue.
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410573 is a reply to message #410313] |
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410577 is a reply to message #410313] |
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I don't see anything wrong with Oblivion's request... it's a well known fact that games are filled with cloistered dicktrees, and that if a chick enters the game, they'll go ape shit in the game, and on the mic.
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410580 is a reply to message #410313] |
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The problem, Nikki, is that dicktrees will be dicktrees with or without a female around to inspire them, and that just because Oblivion doesn't hold female gamers as close friends doesn't mean they won't appear in games with him by coincidence anyway.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410581 is a reply to message #410555] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:31 |
I'm not saying "You should accept everyone." What I'm saying is "Everyone deserves a chance." Yeah, I have known some annoying-as-fuck people whom I regretted having as a friend, but in order to reach that conclusion I had to actually know the person on some kind of level. Then it becomes less a matter of "Germans are assholes" or "Female gamers are attention whores", and more a matter of "This guy is a asshole" or "This chick is an attention whore", which are both perfectly reasonable conclusions to reach, once you know the person, not before. I think that answers your question, George. I do have a social life, and part of that social life is, at times, something akin to trial and error. I don't know if a person is going to be a dicktree or not before I get to know them, so what excuse do I have not to get to know them? Similarly, I don't know if a given female gamer is going to be an attention whore or not, so why not find out?
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Yes, everyone deserves a chance, but generally speaking, what that chance is, is pretty damn important. Going through every single person to find a few good people can be an arduous process, and often times unnecessary if you establish a connection of certain aspects to general personality traits. For example, if someone smokes pot, more than likely they're pretty chill but also not very responsible. I'm sure you're going to go into another ragefit saying I shouldn't generalize like that, but again, this is based on personal experience, the experience of others, and general facts to draw my own conclusions rather than a full on study.
Going by that, I may or may not still be friends with them, depending on the chance I'm giving them. If that chance is "well I'll see if they stab me in the back", well shit, that's inviting the opportunity of them stabbing me in the back. I could go into that whole philosophy, but I'm sure you're aware of how it works so I won't bother. But instead, if I give them the chance of "well, I'll see if they're pretty chill and calm", then learning that they do pot early on (and then going by the reasoning that most potheads are calm/chill), I can say hey, they're probably pretty chill, so I'll try and be friends with them.
However, if you don't generalize atall to make that connection between pot and being chill (example of course), then you have to basically give them the chance to fuck you over big time to see whether they do or not. In doing so, you'll more than likely find negative aspects of this person aswell that you hadn't thought possible before being friends with them.
Now, to how heavy a degree you make this generalization also matters- if I were to make the generalization that blacks steal and therefore don't befriend any black people, I could potentially pass up some decent friends. But to make a smaller generalization, such as that if a girl wears a lot of make up they probably (probably being a key word there) care a good lot about their appearance (although that depends how they apply it lol, but you get what I mean). It's then something to consider into whether or not I'll be friends with them.
That being said, I don't think "female gamers" (on the general scale of things) are really as important as considering females altogether to be friends with, or a race or etc. Especially with Oblivion's other criteria, which generally are asking for a heavier gamer. Even "heavy" female gamers still have that annoying aspect that general female gamers do, so yeah. And if he's wrong, so what- then he's passing up a potentially good friend and it's his problem. Personally though, I think it's a smarter idea to say "Women need not apply" since that stops pretty much any of the annoying types (which I guarantee there are plenty of). If a female gamer really wanted to have a gaming buddy in the same sense as Oblivion and saw that, I'm sure she'd fill out the rest of the criteria, apply, and ask if it's still ok aslong as she practically is genderless in terms of how she acts, despite him asking for no females. If she's true to her word and is convincing, I'm sure Oblivion would still consider it just as much as any other applicant.
If he still refuses soley on the basis that she's female, then yeah, that's definitely a problem.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:31 |
I'll choose to ignore where you'll pulling the 51+% number from, because that won't get us anywhere.
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51%=more than half. I COULD say "Above 50% and below 100%", but "51%-99%" is the same thing.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:31 |
So you're acknowledging that, in absence of any hard number that either of us can (Or at least, are willing to) produce, up to 49.99999etc% of female gamers could be perfectly reasonable people? Why would that be a bar to the group as a whole? You know as well as I do that gamers as a whole (Male or female) are far more than 50% assholes, and if there's any doubting that, play at least one game of DotA or HoN.
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If the numbers were that close, I'm sure Oblivion wouldn't care nearly as much. Personally, I'd estimate roughly 75% of female gamers are attention whores. Again, just an estimate, and I'm sure you're going to go on some retarded nerdrage about it, but yeah.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:31 |
In any case, Oblivion isn't excluding some female gamers or most female gamers, but all female gamers.
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That's true, but when a fairly large majority of a group of people are something you pretty much hate, I wouldn't want to have to deal with the probability that the very thing I dislike to a great degree/hate would force me to deal with it.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:31 |
Oversimplification of the century.
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Perhaps so, but it's pretty much true.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:31 |
Assuming both of our logics is of equal validity, which they aren't. You're using inductive reasoning, which gives you a weaker claim.
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And you're using no reasoning. You've yet to make deductive reasoning on the same subject as mine (that most female gamers are attention whores). Instead, it's just LOL UR WRONG.
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
Yes, everyone deserves a chance, but generally speaking, what that chance is, is pretty damn important. Going through every single person to find a few good people can be an arduous process,
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That's life.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
and often times unnecessary if you establish a connection of certain aspects to general personality traits. For example, if someone smokes pot, more than likely they're pretty chill but also not very responsible. I'm sure you're going to go into another ragefit saying I shouldn't generalize like that, but again, this is based on personal experience, the experience of others, and general facts to draw my own conclusions rather than a full on study.
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Firstly, who's ragefitting?
And secondly, I don't think you can compare gender to a personality trait.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
Going by that, I may or may not still be friends with them, depending on the chance I'm giving them. If that chance is "well I'll see if they stab me in the back", well shit, that's inviting the opportunity of them stabbing me in the back. I could go into that whole philosophy, but I'm sure you're aware of how it works so I won't bother. But instead, if I give them the chance of "well, I'll see if they're pretty chill and calm", then learning that they do pot early on (and then going by the reasoning that most potheads are calm/chill), I can say hey, they're probably pretty chill, so I'll try and be friends with them.
However, if you don't generalize atall to make that connection between pot and being chill (example of course), then you have to basically give them the chance to fuck you over big time to see whether they do or not. In doing so, you'll more than likely find negative aspects of this person aswell that you hadn't thought possible before being friends with them.
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Yeah. Again, that's life. Sometimes people stab you in the back. You live and you learn
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
Now, to how heavy a degree you make this generalization also matters- if I were to make the generalization that blacks steal and therefore don't befriend any black people, I could potentially pass up some decent friends. But to make a smaller generalization, such as that if a girl wears a lot of make up they probably (probably being a key word there) care a good lot about their appearance (although that depends how they apply it lol, but you get what I mean). It's then something to consider into whether or not I'll be friends with them.
That being said, I don't think "female gamers" (on the general scale of things) are really as important as considering females altogether to be friends with, or a race or etc. Especially with Oblivion's other criteria, which generally are asking for a heavier gamer. Even "heavy" female gamers still have that annoying aspect that general female gamers do, so yeah. And if he's wrong, so what- then he's passing up a potentially good friend and it's his problem. Personally though, I think it's a smarter idea to say "Women need not apply" since that stops pretty much any of the annoying types (which I guarantee there are plenty of). If a female gamer really wanted to have a gaming buddy in the same sense as Oblivion and saw that, I'm sure she'd fill out the rest of the criteria, apply, and ask if it's still ok aslong as she practically is genderless in terms of how she acts, despite him asking for no females. If she's true to her word and is convincing, I'm sure Oblivion would still consider it just as much as any other applicant.
If he still refuses soley on the basis that she's female, then yeah, that's definitely a problem.
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Well then, I'm glad we agree.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
51%=more than half. I COULD say "Above 50% and below 100%", but "51%-99%" is the same thing.
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No, I get that. What I mean was I'll choose not to nitpick as to if the percentage of female gamers who are attention whores is actually above or below 50% (since neither of us know).
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
If the numbers were that close, I'm sure Oblivion wouldn't care nearly as much. Personally, I'd estimate roughly 75% of female gamers are attention whores. Again, just an estimate, and I'm sure you're going to go on some retarded nerdrage about it, but yeah.
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Who's nerdraging? I like how in this thread there are two people, one of which makes lengthy posts organized with the quote function and another just posts the same picture over and over again and calls the first guy fat, and yet for some reason the first guy is perceived as nerdraging.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
That's true, but when a fairly large majority of a group of people are something you pretty much hate, I wouldn't want to have to deal with the probability that the very thing I dislike to a great degree/hate would force me to deal with it.
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But this begs the question of wouldn't it be more efficient and more morally correct to directly target the thing you hate/dislike strongly, rather than target groups which may or may not exhibit those qualities and hope for the best? We've already gone through this, and we've already agreed.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
Perhaps so, but it's pretty much true.
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"pretty much" being the qualifier that gives you a leg to stand on here.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:13 |
And you're using no reasoning. You've yet to make deductive reasoning on the same subject as mine (that most female gamers are attention whores). Instead, it's just LOL UR WRONG.
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I'm not the one who's making a claim. I'm merely tearing down someone elses. Of course I haven't given any deductive reasoning--what would I give it on?
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410591 is a reply to message #410313] |
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I CBA to read the whole debate, but I'd like to throw this in:
Is it unfair for Oblivion to specify males only?
Not really, he's looking for a person with whom to spend a lot of time, if being female, in his view, as it's his relationship he's trying to form, is going to cause problems, then he's got every right to say that and make that requirement. (NOTE: The double negative is highly INTENTIONAL, and needs to be noticed for the correct interpretation of the preceeding paragraph)
The reasons, as laid down by Oblivion, being that others tend to be highly... different when a female gamer is on *Insert VOIP program of choice here* however lead to the conclusion, in my view, that it isn't fair on the women insofar as it's the men who cause the stupid distraction that Oblivion is trying to avoid.
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:24 |
I CBA to read the whole debate, but I'd like to throw this in:
Is it unfair for Oblivion to specify males only?
Not really, he's looking for a person with whom to spend a lot of time, if being female, in his view, as it's his relationship he's trying to form, is going to cause problems, then he's got every right to say that and make that requirement.
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There's a leap in reasoning here that I've been trying to attack throughout the thread. The claim is being made that female gamer = attention whore (Or some other undefined negative personality trait), while that might not be the case. Instead, what is known is that attention whore = attention whore, regardless of gender.
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The reasons, as laid down by Oblivion, being that others tend to be highly... different when a female gamer is on *Insert VOIP program of choice here* however lead to the conclusion, in my view, that it isn't fair on the women insofar as it's the men who cause the stupid distraction that Oblivion is trying to avoid.
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Agreed.
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410595 is a reply to message #410593] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 18:27 |
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:24 |
I CBA to read the whole debate, but I'd like to throw this in:
Is it unfair for Oblivion to specify males only?
Not really, he's looking for a person with whom to spend a lot of time, if being female, in his view, as it's his relationship he's trying to form, is going to cause problems, then he's got every right to say that and make that requirement.
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There's a leap in reasoning here that I've been trying to attack throughout the thread. The claim is being made that female gamer = attention whore (Or some other undefined negative personality trait), while that might not be the case. Instead, what is known is that attention whore = attention whore, regardless of gender.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:24 |
The reasons, as laid down by Oblivion, being that others tend to be highly... different when a female gamer is on *Insert VOIP program of choice here* however lead to the conclusion, in my view, that it isn't fair on the women insofar as it's the men who cause the stupid distraction that Oblivion is trying to avoid.
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Agreed.
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Where's the leap in reasoning? My first point is pretty much that Oblivion can make any requirement of his friends that he desires (They don't have to comply, obviously)...
I agree that it's not necessarily that female gamers are attention whores, I think, independantly of the veracity of that fact, we can probably agree that a lot of people tend to perk up interest (and feel free to make a joke here) at the presence of a female gamer in *insert VOIP program of choice here*, which causes a distraction not conducive to tight gameplay, and that this distraction is what Oblivion is trying to avoid...
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410599 is a reply to message #410595] |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:31 |
Where's the leap in reasoning?
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In that female gamers inheirantly and consistantly carry some kind of negative personality trait (The one I saw most often in the thread was "Attention whore") that would make the unsuitible gaming partners. Clearly, this isn't the line of reasoning you're taking, but others in the thread have.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:31 |
My first point is pretty much that Oblivion can make any requirement of his friends that he desires (They don't have to comply, obviously)...
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Oh, of course. He could make it a requirement that nobody who's handle contains the letter "W" should apply, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop him. That isn't so much the direction of the debate.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:31 |
I agree that it's not necessarily that female gamers are attention whores, I think, independantly of the veracity of that fact, we can probably agree that a lot of people tend to perk up interest (and feel free to make a joke here) at the presence of a female gamer in *insert VOIP program of choice here*, which causes a distraction not conducive to tight gameplay, and that this distraction is what Oblivion is trying to avoid...
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Is it all female gamers, though, or just the relatively new/unknown ones? I've never seen this happen when in a game with Crimson, but I have seen it happen in games with...say...Venompawz. You could speculate as to why that is, but I would think once you see the same female in-game for the fourth time and your previously three flirting attempts have failed, you need to be thick as Rocko to keep trying. Familiarity breeds acceptance.
There, an inadvertent hypothesis supporting the opposite conclusion, although I'm not sure how true it is. 
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410603 is a reply to message #410590] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
That's life.
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So let's not try and improve it, good logic.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
And secondly, I don't think you can compare gender to a personality trait.
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Perhaps not, but a group of people (gamers) combined with a gender (female) can often produce similar personality traits (attention whore).
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
Yeah. Again, that's life. Sometimes people stab you in the back. You live and you learn
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Right, and learn what? If you only learn one person is an asshole, but never apply that to anything other than that specific person, what's to stop someone almost entirely similar from doing the same thing if not worse? This is why we have the ability to generalize. It might not be fair sometimes, but in your words, that's life.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
No, I get that. What I mean was I'll choose not to nitpick as to if the percentage of female gamers who are attention whores is actually above or below 50% (since neither of us know).
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Oh lol, I guess that makes sense. Still, though, can you honestly say that the majority of female gamers AREN'T attention whores...? And that they're not noticeably moreso than male gamers?
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
But this begs the question of wouldn't it be more efficient and more morally correct to directly target the thing you hate/dislike strongly, rather than target groups which may or may not exhibit those qualities and hope for the best? We've already gone through this, and we've already agreed.
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Perhaps so, but it's his right to still say "I don't want to bother with female gamers, sorry". Again, I'm sure he has good reasoning behind it, and I don't blame him. That's what I'm mainly trying to say here- regardless of whether or not it's right to do so, it's his right to say it.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
"pretty much" being the qualifier that gives you a leg to stand on here.
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I usually say "pretty much" since I'd rather not say "absolutely true, no exceptions". Unlike you, I don't state everything I say as fact. I will, however, back it up when need be.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 13:24 |
I'm not the one who's making a claim. I'm merely tearing down someone elses. Of course I haven't given any deductive reasoning--what would I give it on?
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You have to tear down the other person's claim then state your own generally in order to consider what you're saying to be correct. Otherwise, you're just being an asshole.
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The reasons, as laid down by Oblivion, being that others tend to be highly... different when a female gamer is on *Insert VOIP program of choice here* however lead to the conclusion, in my view, that it isn't fair on the women insofar as it's the men who cause the stupid distraction that Oblivion is trying to avoid.
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Good point, but if you don't have a girl gamer as a partner, you're less likely to encounter the problem if they're a male. Yes, it's still possible, but then there's not much you can do. However, if they're a female gamer, it's a damn high chance you'll get alot of people causing an annoying distraction soley because she's female... and the female gamer will most likely go along with it.
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410607 is a reply to message #410313] |
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This thread could use the input of a female gamer, in the absence of one at this very moment, I shall attempt to empathise:
(This entire section assumes that the channel in which the various hypothetical individuals are in is strictly for the purpose of game related chat)
What choice would a female gamer have though? You can't just ignore all the stupid idiots flooding the channel because:
Action: Ignore them all and only speak when the game requires (I shall call this the "Hardcore" action (Oh dear God, more jokes...) as it's the option a serious female gamer would probably take)
Probable consequence: They get louder until either they're kicked or the channel is unusable. (Also note that the channel is unusable in the proper sense until they're kicked)
Action: Talk to them until they shut up. Note that the responses by the female gamer can be anything except those which would be likely to continue the irrelevant conversation much longer. (A fairly common response, in my personal experience - I shall refer to this as the "Typical" action)
Probable consequence: Eventually, after a period of irrelevant chatting, the talk (mostly) dies down to the essential game-related chat. A fairly good outcome, and probably not too hard to achieve, and not requiring the presence of a moderator - just give sarcastic responses until the idiots shut up.
Action: Be an "attention whore". (That is, to deliberately continue the conversation in a way that makes it focus on them, the female gamer, cluttering the channel with irrelevant conversation). Well, I don't need to finish this, the female gamer is clearly abusing the channel's purpose.
Probable consequence: People get banned/kicked.
See how the response, I at least, find, is the most common is the only one that doesn't require moderator intervention, something that is fairly rare? I think we have a partial answer...
As an aside to the particular circumstance that started this: Oblivion mentions Skype, unless I'm very out of touch, that is not a typical VOIP choice for gamers, who would probably use Vent/TS to chat with teammates, so surely the whole "male/female" debate is moot, as any conversation between Oblivion and his hypothetically female partner would be in a private channel?
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410629 is a reply to message #410607] |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 14:16 |
This thread could use the input of a female gamer, in the absence of one at this very moment, I shall attempt to empathise:
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I can do a better job, right here:
'Hi, I've come here to blow shit up, but I can't move because all these dicktrees are busy e-grinding their characters against me while asking me how old I am, and if I've ever run a train with eight black guys.'
Renegade:
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The only game where everyone competes to be an e-janitor.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410649 is a reply to message #410603] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
So let's not try and improve it, good logic.
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Is this improving it?
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
Perhaps not, but a group of people (gamers) combined with a gender (female) can often produce similar personality traits (attention whore)
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Arguable.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
Right, and learn what? If you only learn one person is an asshole, but never apply that to anything other than that specific person, what's to stop someone almost entirely similar from doing the same thing if not worse? This is why we have the ability to generalize. It might not be fair sometimes, but in your words, that's life.
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That line of reasoning is a real slippery slope, George. I was once close with this girl who happened to be Brazillian, until she stabbed me in the back. What generalization should I draw from that? That I shouldn't associate with Brazilians? That I shouldn't associate with females?
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
Oh lol, I guess that makes sense. Still, though, can you honestly say that the majority of female gamers AREN'T attention whores...? And that they're not noticeably moreso than male gamers?
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I don't know. I really don't know. And, be honest, you don't know either, which is why I'm not nitpicking.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
Perhaps so, but it's his right to still say "I don't want to bother with female gamers, sorry". Again, I'm sure he has good reasoning behind it, and I don't blame him. That's what I'm mainly trying to say here- regardless of whether or not it's right to do so, it's his right to say it.
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Nobody is trying to stop him from saying it. He has every right to say it. In fact, he could probably write "No black people, please", and he would still have every legal right to choose who he does and doesn't associate with. Whether or not it's right to do so is the only thing we can debate.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
You have to tear down the other person's claim then state your own generally in order to consider what you're saying to be correct. Otherwise, you're just being an asshole.
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:49 |
Good point, but if you don't have a girl gamer as a partner, you're less likely to encounter the problem if they're a male. Yes, it's still possible, but then there's not much you can do. However, if they're a female gamer, it's a damn high chance you'll get alot of people causing an annoying distraction soley because she's female... and the female gamer will most likely go along with it.
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The more I hear this, the more I'm guessing you've never actually had any gaming friends who are female.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:16 |
As an aside to the particular circumstance that started this: Oblivion mentions Skype, unless I'm very out of touch, that is not a typical VOIP choice for gamers, who would probably use Vent/TS to chat with teammates, so surely the whole "male/female" debate is moot, as any conversation between Oblivion and his hypothetically female partner would be in a private channel?
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I could be mistaken, but doesn't Skype work similarly?
I mean, you're right. Vent/TS ensures a certain degree of privacy, and the only places I really see scenarios like the one you're describing is in games in which the VoIP element is built into the game itself and thus open to anyone in the same server (Like in Counter-Strike).
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Remember kids the internet is serious business.
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| Re: Is Oblivion's request for a male gaming partner unfair? [message #410660 is a reply to message #410313] |
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On the "mass survey of female gamers" not working, true.
All the non-attention-whoring female gamers do not answer to these, or try to hide the fact they are female, as if in shame.
I've actually played with a few on various games and I have many different experiences especially with those of the attention whoring nature, ignoring them is really annoying when they fucking scream over the mike, though when they start, the mute button always helps.
and blocking communication...
Anyways, most of the attention whoring female gamers left me alone after they realized that I am on the outer circle of attention (and I prefer to keep it that way, in most cases.)
Most of what was just mentioned is what most millionaires do today, I mean look at Bill Gates.
He only shows the world what he wants the world to see.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410690 is a reply to message #410555] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:31 |
So you're acknowledging that, in absence of any hard number that either of us can (Or at least, are willing to) produce, up to 49.99999etc% of female gamers could be perfectly reasonable people? Why would that be a bar to the group as a whole? You know as well as I do that gamers as a whole (Male or female) are far more than 50% assholes, and if there's any doubting that, play at least one game of DotA or HoN.
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Amen to that. I think DotA/HoN attracts the biggest knuckle-dragging douchetards on the fucking planet.
Female gamers ARE generally attention whores. And I'll tell you why. They KNOW that there are a lot of horny lonely guys there and they've ventured to a place few women dare to tread. This means NO/LESS competition for male attention. This sort of overwhelming male dynamic attracts those who would have trouble getting male attention in "traditional" environments such as clubs, bars, school, etc... where such factors as physical appearance and/or conversation skills are a factor. (Meaning, a girl with a lisp, or some other problem that precludes her from carrying on a normal conversation in person)
Take from that what you want.
As a female gamer who isn't looking for male attention (anymore, I got it now haha)... I play because I want to play, and I get annoyed when horny 17 year old retards are like "omg boobs" and I'm like "dude I'm 30 and taken so stfu".
But I'm not the majority.
I'm the bawss.
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