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| danpaul88 wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 03:17 |
Lets face it, the C&C franchise died when they originally disbanded Westwood, all these mock-C&C games EA have made since then are just a pathetic attempt to fix that mistake.
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i thought generals was entirely fun as fuck to play
there was no tiberium and there was no ore, but that didn't change the fact that it worked out and had a good balance in it
instead of going with some fictional storyline EA pumped out a RTS equivalent of Modern Warfare and applied Command and Conquer to the present day world
what was so bad about generals and zero hour? no cyborg commando? no Tanya? who the fuck cares, it was still a fun game that i played the living shit out of
my opinion on cnc 4 (shared by others) is it should just pick up where tiberian sun left off and act like cnc 3 never happened
they have the technology and the potential now to make the game what it was meant to be then
it's all set up for them; why start taking crazy-assed shot-in-the-dark hope-this-works risks for no reason at all? it's absolutely ridiculous but that's the way EA seems to work (or doesn't work, with 1,500 jobs being cut)
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410367 is a reply to message #410284] |
Thu, 12 November 2009 02:05 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 15:36 |
PROTIP: RA3 is just as corny as RA2 was.
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No, corny best describes the C&C storyline that takes itself seriously - those two were entertaining.
Generals = easily the best C&C, but the dweebs hated it for excluding Kane and his evil Brothershood!!!11 Hardcore C&C fans = a very special kind of losers.
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410374 is a reply to message #410367] |
Thu, 12 November 2009 03:57 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 09:05 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 15:36 |
PROTIP: RA3 is just as corny as RA2 was.
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No, corny best describes the C&C storyline that takes itself seriously - those two were entertaining.
Generals = easily the best C&C, but the dweebs hated it for excluding Kane and his evil Brothershood!!!11 Hardcore C&C fans = a very special kind of losers.
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Most people don't quite "hate" generals, they just hate that they named it C&C. It had nothing to do with C&C, and the style was much more similar to Warcraft than C&C. If they just called it something different, no one in the C&C community would have given a shit.
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410620 is a reply to message #410160] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 14:08 |
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Generals was and is a cnc, but it was new kind of saga. Theres tiberium saga about Nod and GDI, Red Alert saga about Allies and Soviets and the generals saga about Chinese,American,GLA war. I love C&C3 and KW, especially C&C3 it game play is just amazing, feels a bit oldschool. I never liked ra3 due to that it feels and looks really gay..
Gen was quite good balanced but ZH ... is just frustrating even if its addictive.
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410624 is a reply to message #410160] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 14:17 |
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Generals didn't really have much of a story, lol. Some of the gameplay was nice, though. Still, they coulda called it something different.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410628 is a reply to message #410624] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 14:27 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 15:17 |
Generals didn't really have much of a story, lol. Some of the gameplay was nice, though. Still, they coulda called it something different.
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In my opinion, story is what helped kill C&C. The series started off gritty, and had a generally realistic schtick, with some loony stuff thrown in like a quasi-terror group/corporation which had phallic structures that fired lasers, barracks with fists sticking out of them, and a bald leader with a penchant for leather and turtlenecks.
But then both storylines just got really dumb, with too much crazy shit like aliens, mechanical bears and Japanese people. Plus, you had to know some backstory to get enjoyment, and that limits new people from the series.
I think EA understood this when they created Generals. The storyline was accessible because it fit the times when it was released, and that is great for a wide audience. Terrorists? Check! Conniving Chinese Commies? Double Check!!
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410633 is a reply to message #410160] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 14:38 |
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BAD story is what killed it. TD's and RA's stories were, yeah, honestly best. TS kinda overdid it, but the atmosphere was pretty nice, and the Firestorm was a bit less cheesy (and the Nod campaign wasn't quite as bad in TS). RA2 definitely set the path for shitty story, though. The missions themselves were fun, but the cutscenes were the beginning of the end.
C&C3 definitely just way overdid it.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410637 is a reply to message #410160] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 15:07 |
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Those live action cutscenes from the first two games are ridiculously cheesy...I remembered them as really cool back when I was a kid, but when I replayed those games a few years ago, I felt embarrassed. The same goes for Jedi Knight...just in case anyone else here was blown away by the story and the cutscenes back in '97. They're all great games, but the story aspect just doesn't stand the test of time.
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410638 is a reply to message #410637] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 15:16 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 16:07 |
Those live action cutscenes from the first two games are ridiculously cheesy...I remembered them as really cool back when I was a kid, but when I replayed those games a few years ago, I felt embarrassed. The same goes for Jedi Knight...just in case anyone else here was blown away by the story and the cutscenes back in '97. They're all great games, but the story aspect just doesn't stand the test of time.
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Yeah, but the first C&C was made back in like, 1995, so I'd expect them to be cheesy by today's standards, although I haven't watched them for ages. Still, the games afterwards just took it way too far. I figured EA would've toned down the storylines/subject matter to be more consistent with the prevailing attitudes of today, but I guess that's why they made Generals.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410652 is a reply to message #410641] |
Fri, 13 November 2009 17:11 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 16:33 |
I didn't think TD and RA were all that cheesy, honestly. They were pretty straightforward and didn't have overly huge cutscenes usually. TS definitely started the trend, though it wasn't all that bad still.
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The first couple games did have some cheese, but that was part of their 'tongue-in-cheek' charm.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410684 is a reply to message #410376] |
Sat, 14 November 2009 00:59 |
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| danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 05:15 |
I actually quite like Generals, I just don't think of it as a C&C game, but a franchise in it's own right. They slapped the C&C brand on it just so they could sell more copies.
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it didn't have kane or soviets in it, but everything else looked exactly like any other command and conquer game
you build a base, you build units, you destroy the enemy doing the exact same thing
there are resources to collect, there are superweapons, there are hero units
how did you decide Command & Conquer is restricted to the tiberium storyline and the red alert storyline? because that's where Westwood left off? who's to say they wouldn't have made Generals on their own later on, and if they had would you still say it's not a C&C game? come on now 
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410691 is a reply to message #410160] |
Sat, 14 November 2009 03:36 |
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Here's something nobody mentioned. What does this mean for TT and any potential patch for Renegade? Knowing they're done after C&C4, I doubt they'll spend any time with the Renegade community.
When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding.
When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door.
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410704 is a reply to message #410694] |
Sat, 14 November 2009 06:33 |
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| RoCk2Star wrote on Sat, 14 November 2009 05:01 |
I really hate TT, it looks like the game thats made by mentally disabled people..
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Pretty sure Chuck meant Tiberian Technologies, if you were replying to him, lol.
Also, liquid, going by that logic, if you slapped "C&C: Old Ages" onto Warcraft, does that suddenly make it a good C&C game?
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410940 is a reply to message #410939] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 03:36 |
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| Dreganius wrote on Mon, 16 November 2009 02:28 |
I'm a Warhammer 40k fanboy. What can I say?
Terrans = Space Marine rip-off
Zerg = Tyranid rip-off
Protoss = Okay I give them credit for that one.
Not to say I don't like Starcraft, it's awesome fun.
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Warhammer 40k is just D&D in space. If you're a Warhammer fanboy, you have no right to complain about originality. >:[
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| Re: The Apparent End of C&C? [message #410963 is a reply to message #410160] |
Mon, 16 November 2009 09:36 |
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I don't get why whenever someone says StarCraft isn't the best game ever, people jump down their throats.
PROTIP: It's not. It's good, yes, but it's the RTS equivilent of a fighting game- you have to know 5835357 invisible rules which usually make no sense and unless you can react within 1/10ths of a second you're doomed to fail. This isn't to say it's bad either, but it gets tedious after a few games.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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