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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395601 is a reply to message #395110] Sun, 19 July 2009 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...except a newborn baby takes in and processes terabytes of data every second.

The brain automatically can reconise diffrent objects we look at, as well at distance and colour. We also do the same with hearing, IE: I can tell the diffrent between the sound of a car and the sound of a factory.

There has yet to be a reliable method to do either programatically. Although that's not impossible, just extremely difficult. We also have yet to program a computer to learn properly and actually understand the meaning of a word.
Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395603 is a reply to message #395110] Sun, 19 July 2009 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think you have a correct grasp on the technology we have at our disposal.
Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395604 is a reply to message #395603] Sun, 19 July 2009 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:00

I don't think you have a correct grasp on the technology we have at our disposal.


Last time I tried to move 1Gb it took over 30 seconds, heh that's not even close to 1000gb. Where'd we get the funding to use a supercluster like CERN's to make this project? Wink
Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395607 is a reply to message #395110] Sun, 19 July 2009 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1. What does moving large file sizes have to do with anything? Aren't you just storing information? And who says that information has to be large?

Remember when I was talking about Milo? He can recognize colors, sounds, ect.. and reply back to you based on what he's reading. (You can draw a picture, scan it into the game, and he will know what you drew (if its legible, obviously), know the colors used, and be able to converse to you about it.) That's all on an entertainment system. So you don't think that the government doesn't have the technology to make something better than a form of entertainment?

2. What you have in your home computer is barely the smallest fraction of technological power that we, as humans, possess at this point in time.

3. Who says it has to use a digital format that we are currently using or are used to? Why can't it be something that hasn't been shown to the public yet? Something you couldn't begin to think was possible until you saw how simple it was?
Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395609 is a reply to message #395607] Sun, 19 July 2009 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:14

1. What does moving large file sizes have to do with anything? Aren't you just storing information? And who says that information has to be large?




If my computer is receiving all that data, where is it going to go?

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:14


Remember when I was talking about Milo? He can recognize colors, sounds, ect.. and reply back to you based on what he's reading. (You can draw a picture, scan it into the game, and he will know what you drew (if its legible, obviously), know the colors used, and be able to converse to you about it.) That's all on an entertainment system. So you don't think that the government doesn't have the technology to make something better than a form of entertainment?




This milo thing sounds like a simple bot with automated responses. Sure it can find simple shapes drawn on a piece of paper. The thing itself doesn't actually know what it's looking at. It's just comparing pixel locations to some sort of database. The same sort of technique used for sound.

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:14


2. What you have in your home computer is barely the smallest fraction of technological power that we, as humans, possess at this point in time.




How do you know this? You don't, because there isn't a silly conspiracy that the government has built a matchbox sized computer with 100 teraflops of computing power.

Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K. Again, can't do these silly projects without funding. It would be hard to get any type of funding for this type of project.

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:14


3. Who says it has to use a digital format that we are currently using or are used to? Why can't it be something that hasn't been shown to the public yet? Something you couldn't begin to think was possible until you saw how simple it was?



It would be all over the news and youtube, since they can't do their job without money. EDIT and again, there is no conspiracy.


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395611 is a reply to message #395609] Sun, 19 July 2009 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jnz wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 16:34

Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K.


Find you one? I'll find you one-hundred.


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395612 is a reply to message #395609] Sun, 19 July 2009 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jnz wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:34


Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K. Again, can't do these silly projects without funding. It would be hard to get any type of funding for this type of project.



yet if you were to ask that same question 20 years ago you couldn't find a desktop computer for under 10k.

Today we can store in a chip in your watch that took a whole room to fill several years ago.

Who knows what the future holds. Computer programming is becoming more and more sophisticated. Computers may never become self aware in the true sense that we are. Whose to say someone can program one to think on its own through programming and come to the conclusion that mankind shouldn't be allowed to exist.





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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395614 is a reply to message #395609] Sun, 19 July 2009 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jnz wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 16:34

How do you know this? You don't, because there isn't a silly conspiracy that the government has built a matchbox sized computer with 100 teraflops of computing power.


I just noticed this. I don't know about matchbox sized, but the supercomputers on that list range from about 50 to about 1500 terraflops, so it's not crazy to think about.


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395618 is a reply to message #395614] Sun, 19 July 2009 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think we have all forgotten about the Cyberman!


http://www.tvtoyz.co.uk/images/Cyberman%20with%20Assult%20Gun.jpg


They have human brains wired up to their steel bodies, so self-awareness is sort of present already and not much programming has to be done...apparently. I find this more believable than SkyNet.


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395639 is a reply to message #395611] Sun, 19 July 2009 23:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dover wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 01:16

jnz wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 16:34

Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K.


Find you one? I'll find you one-hundred.


They are all clusters. Also in the range of millions of pounds each, much more than £10K.

Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395640 is a reply to message #395639] Sun, 19 July 2009 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jnz wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 23:06

Dover wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 01:16

jnz wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 16:34

Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K.


Find you one? I'll find you one-hundred.


They are all clusters. Also in the range of millions of pounds each, much more than £10K.




Ah. I misunderstood what you said. You meant find something faster, that is also under 10k. I thought you meant find something faster than a 10k market computer. My bad.


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395660 is a reply to message #395612] Mon, 20 July 2009 03:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DarkKnight wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 19:18

jnz wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:34


Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K. Again, can't do these silly projects without funding. It would be hard to get any type of funding for this type of project.



yet if you were to ask that same question 20 years ago you couldn't find a desktop computer for under 10k.


Errrrm.. The majority of IBM desktops released during the 1980s (don't forget your directly acessing 1989) were well under $10,000






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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395671 is a reply to message #395660] Mon, 20 July 2009 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 05:41

DarkKnight wrote on Sun, 19 July 2009 19:18

jnz wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 00:34


Find me one that is faster than anything on the current market with a budget less than £10K. Again, can't do these silly projects without funding. It would be hard to get any type of funding for this type of project.



yet if you were to ask that same question 20 years ago you couldn't find a desktop computer for under 10k.


Errrrm.. The majority of IBM desktops released during the 1980s (don't forget your directly acessing 1989) were well under $10,000







I know i miss typed. I meant 50 years ago.

http://history.sandiego.edu/GEN/recording/computer1.html

My thought is still the same. You can't take what we have today, combine it with no imagination and say we will never achieve anything greater than what we already have as the poster was suggesting.

Look at how far we've come in such little time. Whose to tell what will happy over the next few years.


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395680 is a reply to message #395671] Mon, 20 July 2009 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If anyone comes up with a way of allowing an artificially constructed machine to do something that is completely random, let alone be self aware. "I'll be over here".
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Indeed, even if you use random numbers as the basis for decision making, the number of possible decisions or combinations of decisions is still actually limited (taking into account that a large number of the combinations will be nonsensical) and therefore any machine's function is limited, even if it's programmed to try and expand its own ability.

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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395732 is a reply to message #395110] Mon, 20 July 2009 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You don't need self-aware, really. You just need it to reach a conclusion unfavorable to humanity, and that isn't all that crazy.

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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #395776 is a reply to message #395110] Tue, 21 July 2009 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lets just say it, the worls getting lazy so they need robots, and droids to do the work for us!
Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #396252 is a reply to message #395110] Sun, 26 July 2009 04:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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not possible ai in actual stage can make only one operation.

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marcin205 wrote on Sun, 26 July 2009 06:15

not possible ai in actual stage can make only one operation.


One operation = Destroy mankind


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #396354 is a reply to message #396252] Mon, 27 July 2009 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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marcin205 wrote on Sun, 26 July 2009 04:15

not possible ai in actual stage can make only one operation.


What makes you say that?


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #396435 is a reply to message #395110] Tue, 28 July 2009 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I was watching the History Channel the other day. It was something about 7 ways the earth could end, and scientists seem to think machines could kill us all :\

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I think we're safe from apocalypse because if there's one thing humanity is good at, it's half-assing stuff, and giving up. Therefore I think this will be as far as we will get in robot/machine development:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3rxTdMaAr4



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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #396673 is a reply to message #396354] Fri, 31 July 2009 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dover wrote on Mon, 27 July 2009 14:30

marcin205 wrote on Sun, 26 July 2009 04:15

not possible ai in actual stage can make only one operation.


What makes you say that?


chat bots ,supercomputers,well military robots they can make shot without operator cuz ai can shot evrything include own units.

@dark you watch too much movies..btw im think atomic rocket silos dont have any internet network and military firewalls can pwn all intruders


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marcin205 wrote on Fri, 31 July 2009 13:39

Dover wrote on Mon, 27 July 2009 14:30

marcin205 wrote on Sun, 26 July 2009 04:15

not possible ai in actual stage can make only one operation.


What makes you say that?


chat bots ,supercomputers,well military robots they can make shot without operator cuz ai can shot evrything include own units.


Uh, what?


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Re: Is SkyNet Possible? [message #396716 is a reply to message #395110] Sat, 01 August 2009 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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well u.s.a military robots have trouble with recognise targets they shot evrything include own units,they will tested.dunno maybe they better now Big Grin

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