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| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 21:26 |
who knows how high the tax would be.. obviously some drugs are bad, but marijuana doesn't make some1 go fucking crazy and kill somebody... i don't see what the big effin deal about it is.
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Neither do alcohol or tobacco, but because they are things you don't need (luxuries), you should pay a tax on them.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385210 is a reply to message #385120] |
Sat, 09 May 2009 07:40 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 23:45 |
| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 21:26 |
who knows how high the tax would be.. obviously some drugs are bad, but marijuana doesn't make some1 go fucking crazy and kill somebody... i don't see what the big effin deal about it is.
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Neither do alcohol or tobacco, but because they are things you don't need (luxuries), you should pay a tax on them.
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alcohol could make someone go crazy and kill someone 
My position on this is, it has a good few medical properties, obviously, I can't remember them off the top of my head, but it should be decriminalized or legalized nationally.
The US Government needs to get its stupid fucking head out of its ass.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385705 is a reply to message #385614] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 12:41 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 12 May 2009 00:16 |
I really don't see how weed helps cancer patients or help with any pain related issues. I smoke weed almost everyday and it never has stopped a headache or relive any other type of pain.
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I only smoke on the weekends... but that's during the school year. I can't say I've every had a headache before smoking, and have never really done anything to hurt myself, I like to chill.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385744 is a reply to message #385091] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 18:16 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40 |
| Zack wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 14:01 |
The only reason I feel it should be legalized is the money that the government can make from it...The US can make a major attempt to get out of their (what was it?) 6 trillion dollar deficit? or whatever it is currently.
That's just my opinion after hearing on the radio that some border patrol agents confescated about $600,000 worth of marajuana in the desert here...
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You don't care about individual liberty... just the tax revenue... nice.
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I'm wishy-washy. I'm for it being legalized because of the tax revenue. I'm against it because it would be abused... Example: Alcohol.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385752 is a reply to message #385744] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 19:27 |
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| Zack wrote on Tue, 12 May 2009 21:16 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40 |
| Zack wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 14:01 |
The only reason I feel it should be legalized is the money that the government can make from it...The US can make a major attempt to get out of their (what was it?) 6 trillion dollar deficit? or whatever it is currently.
That's just my opinion after hearing on the radio that some border patrol agents confescated about $600,000 worth of marajuana in the desert here...
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You don't care about individual liberty... just the tax revenue... nice.
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I'm wishy-washy. I'm for it being legalized because of the tax revenue. I'm against it because it would be abused... Example: Alcohol.
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Who cares if it's abused? It's not your (or my) choice to tell others how to moderate their usage of any substance, drug or otherwise. As long as their usage doesn't impede on the rights of others, it should not be regulated. Should we start telling people how much food they can eat, too? How much they can be outside? How much tobacco they're allowed to smoke? People die from cancer and heart disease (brought on by obesity) more than they do from alcohol.
Besides, alcoholism was WORSE during Prohibition. The same principle should be applied to this War on Drugs. Drugs are more dangerous when you can't go to a reliable source because anybody who deals illegally probably isn't as trustworthy as your neighborhood pharmacy.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385754 is a reply to message #382528] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 19:56 |
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Drugs (not all however) cause your inhibitions to be lowered. The same thing alcohol does to your body; it lowers your inbititions. You are impaired the same/similar way by drugs as you are by alcohol.
As stated by AmunRa in this thread, Alcohol could/would make someone "go crazy". I'm sure we all have different definitions of the word 'crazy'. I'll use 'crazy' in this context as doing something that a sane(and sober) person wouldn't do.
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1. mentally deranged; demented; insane.
6. Informal. unusual; bizarre; singular:
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385758 is a reply to message #382528] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35 |
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*sigh*
I know, I know, a conservative/libertarian's favorite two-word phrase, "personal responsibility".
People are responsible for their actions, sober or intoxicated. If you are unsure of how you will handle a substance, do it in moderation or under supervision. If you know you are unstable while intoxicated, then it is up to YOU (not the government) to regulate YOURSELF.
Simply shooting up heroin, smoking crack, or drinking alcohol does not impede on someone else's rights. It's not a guarantee that I will impede on another's rights. Does being intoxicated make you more vulnerable to impeding on someone else's rights? Sure, but I refer you back to my previous paragraph.
Besides, most of the people who would be more likely to abuse substances are already abusing them. Just like with gun control (and any other senseless government regulation), you're only preventing the responsible users/owners from access. You're doing nothing to prevent abuse.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #385863 is a reply to message #385754] |
Wed, 13 May 2009 11:51 |
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| Zack wrote on Tue, 12 May 2009 22:56 |
Drugs (not all however) cause your inhibitions to be lowered. The same thing alcohol does to your body; it lowers your inbititions. You are impaired the same/similar way by drugs as you are by alcohol.
As stated by AmunRa in this thread, Alcohol could/would make someone "go crazy". I'm sure we all have different definitions of the word 'crazy'. I'll use 'crazy' in this context as doing something that a sane(and sober) person wouldn't do.
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I was speaking from personal experience when I said that, btw.
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| Re: Medical Marijuana [message #386107 is a reply to message #382528] |
Fri, 15 May 2009 00:43 |
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| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 25 April 2009 09:34 |
Does anyone here think it should really be used for medical purposes? IMO we have enough pain killers. Don't get me wrong I want marijuana to be legalized, but this is just about Medical Marijuana. I think it's doing more harm than it is helping because it has more carcinogens than cigarettes, if I'm not mistaken. So it's really not smart for doctors to be handing their patients cancer. If someone wants to use it as a pain killer that's fine, but it really doesn't make sense that they would let doctors do this.
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Sadly, as the great Jim Morrison said, "No ONE HERE Gets OUT ALIVE", it almost boils down to "Pick your Poison", if you suffer from physical or mental pain. Unfortunatley most of us will suffer from both throughout our lives as I should know being 40 years old and having worked manual labor. But to get right to your question, I first decided to check and see if your statement that we have enough pain killers is true and by walking down the ile of the local drug lord, the drug store, I saw a huge variety of pain killers and figured that there is more than enuf, but I was still courius about pain killers that actually kill REAL pain, so I went web surfing and found this site:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/06/painful-truth-about-painkillers/
"I think it's doing more harm than it is helping"
I wanted to see if other pain killers with the strength to kill more pain than the mild head or tooth ache did less harm and was apollled! Quotes from article for those who dont want to read it all or r scared that links contain malware...
More people in Clark County die of prescription narcotics overdoses than of overdoses of illicit drugs or from vehicle accidents.
The National Institute on Drug Abuse reports the number of opiate prescriptions escalated from about 40 million in 1991 to 180 million in 2007 — a 350 percent increase at a time when the nation's population increased by 19 percent.
. In 1997, the Food and Drug Administration allowed drug companies to hype their brand-name medicines directly to consumers, which has helped remove any stigma attached to their use. Doctors say patients are now demanding drugs by name.
"So it's really not smart for doctors to be handing their patients cancer."
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs297/en/index.html
Cancer arises from one single cell. The transformation from a normal cell into a tumour cell is a multistage process, typically a progression from a pre-cancerous lesion to malignant tumours. These changes are the result of the interaction between a person's genetic factors and three categories of external agents, including:
•physical carcinogens, such as ultraviolet and ionizing radiation
•chemical carcinogens, such as asbestos, components of tobacco smoke, aflatoxin (a food contaminant) and arsenic (a drinking water contaminant)
•biological carcinogens, such as infections from certain viruses, bacteria or parasites.
Some examples of infections associated with certain cancers:
•Viruses: hepatitis B and liver cancer, Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) and cervical cancer, and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and Kaposi sarcoma.
•Bacteria: Helicobacter pylori and stomach cancer.
•Parasites: schistosomiasis and bladder cancer.
Ageing is another fundamental factor for the development of cancer. The incidence of cancer rises dramatically with age, most likely due to a buildup of risks for specific cancers that increase with age. The overall risk accumulation is combined with the tendency for cellular repair mechanisms to be less effective as a person grows older.
"If someone wants to use it as a pain killer that's fine, but it really doesn't make sense that they would let doctors do this."
I think that even our most retarted, lol, or retarded persons like me may even partially believe that smoke may have the .00001% potential to cause a lung cell to mutate and become cancerous but we all know its fictious like that "Magical animal that gives us Bacon, Ham, and Porck Chops." Dream on Lisa!
In closing, I shall leave u a list of just how much "legit" drug companies make off our pain and if they weren't so greedy they would spend a little more of that cash stamping out any compition like the evil, brainwashing, terrorist supporting, axe murdering causing, weed that, as a 1920's piece of propaganda hate literture spewed, "Allows big lipped Negros along with their "Jazz" music to seduce white women"...anyways, I will cover why a human needs to "gain" a prescrition in the first place to grow a plant that kills pain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharmaceutical_companies
u du da thinkin' and i'll do da drinkin'
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