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| Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381348 is a reply to message #381325] |
Sun, 19 April 2009 13:34   |
Pyr0man1c
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And the new games.
"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381409 is a reply to message #381153] |
Sun, 19 April 2009 23:12 |
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Veyrdite
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Don't bother using cheat names in your posts - the moderators remove them for a reason.
I've played some games in the past that use revolutionary engines and look brilliant but the multiplayer experience has been killed by floating infinite, rapid-firing grenade using players. The communities die off because when a first-time player joins an online server he gives up and ignores the game from there on.
Renguard was the first good stab at stopping the problem, however due to instability and lack of use it eventually became useless. Currently there is Resurrection, and soon TT will take over.
Anti-cheat all the way
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381426 is a reply to message #381409] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 01:27 |
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| Dthdealer wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 01:12 |
Don't bother using cheat names in your posts - the moderators remove them for a reason.
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Its automatically changed because its on a blacklist tbh
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| Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381435 is a reply to message #381426] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 04:22 |
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| andr3w282 wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 18:27 |
| Dthdealer wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 01:12 |
Don't bother using cheat names in your posts - the moderators remove them for a reason.
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Its automatically changed because its on a blacklist tbh
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Nope, they are there temporarily until they were changed - they were there when I wrote my last post.
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381437 is a reply to message #381436] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 05:03 |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 21:40 |
Some version of the word are on a black list, others aren't so we need to change them manually. Plz only use the word in capital letters, with spaces in front and behind them  .
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If we go to that trouble, why don't we just leave the names out?
BTW I've been to forums that censor words such as Molotov Cocktail
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381445 is a reply to message #381153] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 05:48 |
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Anti-cheat.
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by Whiskey @ clanwars.cc
Legend has it, that long long ago before the tiberum wars, Havoc and Sakura conceived a love child in the backseat of a GDI Hum-vee. 9 months later, IsItInYou popped out and headshot them both, then nuked their refinery.
how did the baby get a gun?! rgGh probably
so the baby spectated both his parents and drove home from the C&C_Hospital.mix in the humvee parked outside?!
3 wisemen came bearing gifts: credits, tiberium, and murr, whatever the FUCK that is. IsItInYou was nailed to the obelisk, but respawned 3 days later and performed miracles.
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