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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 08:43 |
| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:28 |
Basic understanding of the English language is nice, but your going into over kill, don't be too much of a grammar queen
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My original point was about this 'sentence':
But thats besides the point, has anyone here ever stopped to think how much more sense it would have made if NOTHING (and I mean truly nothing, like space itself (emptiness) not even to exist).
I simply pointed out that this does not make sense. It's not a complete sentence, there are obviously words missing. I just asked you what you're actually trying to say here, and all you've done is insult me for asking so much. I fail to see why I'm a 'grammar queen' for pointing out that what you're saying simply does not make sense unless the reader has to add in his own words to fill in the gaps.
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*Sighs* No, its all there, what I am saying is that it would have been more logical for nothing (no planets, starts, life, galaxies, energy, ect.) to have existed at all, at any point in time, in fact, it would have made more sense for time itself not to have existed.
I also use "We" to refer to the human race at times 
Finally, why should I respond to your points while I'm still trying to get you to understand the ones your quoting?
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #375163 is a reply to message #375160] |
Fri, 06 March 2009 08:53 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 08:43 |
| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:28 |
Basic understanding of the English language is nice, but your going into over kill, don't be too much of a grammar queen
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My original point was about this 'sentence':
But thats besides the point, has anyone here ever stopped to think how much more sense it would have made if NOTHING (and I mean truly nothing, like space itself (emptiness) not even to exist).
I simply pointed out that this does not make sense. It's not a complete sentence, there are obviously words missing. I just asked you what you're actually trying to say here, and all you've done is insult me for asking so much. I fail to see why I'm a 'grammar queen' for pointing out that what you're saying simply does not make sense unless the reader has to add in his own words to fill in the gaps.
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*Sighs* No, its all there, what I am saying is that it would have been more logical for nothing (no planets, starts, life, galaxies, energy, ect.) to have existed at all, at any point in time, in fact, it would have made more sense for time itself not to have existed.
I also use "We" to refer to the human race at times
Finally, why should I respond to your points while I'm still trying to get you to understand the ones your quoting?
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #375171 is a reply to message #375162] |
Fri, 06 March 2009 09:31 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:52 |
*Sighs* No, its all there, what I am saying is that it would have been more logical for nothing (no planets, starts, life, galaxies, energy, ect.) to have existed at all, at any point in time, in fact, it would have made more sense for time itself not to have existed.
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Thanks for finally explaining that. I don't know why I had to ask so many times for you to just answer the question instead of insulting me. I guess you can't help it, given your nature... just look at my signature, for one thing.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:52 |
I also use "We" to refer to the human race at times
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You dodge the point yet again. I asked what "we've moved on" is supposed to mean, when you use it as your reason not to respond to anything I say, even though the obvious reason is simply that you know you can't but you are too arrogant and closed-minded to simply admit you were wrong about something.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:52 |
Finally, why should I respond to your points while I'm still trying to get you to understand the ones your quoting?
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Your arrogance is breathtaking. It's bad enough that you think it's all my fault that I ask you to clarify a point you tried to make when you can't even put it into a complete sentence; it's bad enough that you insult me personally simply for asking you what you're talking about when your post clearly doesn't make sense. It's nothing short of bizarre, however, to retroactively use your nonsensical assertions there to justify your EARLIER refusal to respond to my points to do with creationism. You really don't know how stupid and ignorant you're repeatedly proving yourself to be, I expect.
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #375215 is a reply to message #375061] |
Fri, 06 March 2009 19:40 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 19:55 |
I think one living cell magically appearing, multiplying into a multi cell organism after 4.5 billion years is just as likely as god creating a lot of cells in the form of a human....
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Who said that micro-organisms "magically appeared?" The thing is, if you break life down, it really isn't that hard to understand. A small organism could have simply created itself through any sort of microscopic synthetic means, then reproduced itself over an over, then from there, evolved.
Or perhaps life on Earth didn't actually start on Earth? When Earth was still just a molten rock floating randomly in space, it was pulverized with meteorites. Who's to say that some microscopic biological lifeforms weren't originally from deep space and were simply transferred to Earth via one or a few of these meteors?
My point is, there are many scientific theories that make sense as to how life came to be on Earth. And each of those theories don't include any of the hazy inconsistent information that any of the theories presented through religion contain.
Edit: I replied to this post before I read any of the posts after it, fyi.
After reading some other posts I can reply to some of the points I remember off the top of my head:
Nothing: There can't be nothing. We both can and can't comprehend the concept of nothing. It's just nothing, no space no time, no light no lack there of, nothing. If something like that ever (didn't?) exist(ed), then nothing we have here today would have ever came to be. In order to create, something else of equal value must be lost. If there is absolutely nothing as mentioned above, nothing else can't simply just "spawn" there creating space, time, energy, and matter. And there isn't anything that can put that there either because something would have had to have existed in order to put those things there.. thus contradicting the entire point of there being "nothing."
Therefore it is impossible for there to be nothing. There has always been and always will be two things in existence: Space and time. Just as there will be sub categories that fit into space and time, such as matter and energy.
"I don't see eating bugs off my friends as civilized.":
That's because your mind has evolved past the point of simple instinct. We have grown to have the power to think freely and control instinct. Gained emotional control. Feeling control.
What you might think as "gross" and "disgusting" would simply be thought as strictly instinctive by other animals. I mean, if you, as a human, don't like the feeling of being "gross" or "disgusting," what makes you think other animals would feel any differently? The fact is, they wouldn't like it, as it is an unlikeable feeling. But pushing that aside, they don't have the luxury we do as to being able to decide what is gross and what is not.
"Humans are "all-knowing" because of their "science""
I've already explained this before, science is simply the STUDY OF THINGS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN OUR WORLD. All we, as humans, are doing is observing these things that exist and then recording them into statistics and data that we can read later.
The only thing's that Humans have created in terms of science is the means to read, measure, observe, and record data.
Did humans invent the flow of time? No! Only the means to read it. (Hours, minutes, Days, years, ect.)
We, as humans, only know what we have learned through observation and logical deduction. Truth be told, we know more about outer space than we do about our own planet. So.. how exactly are humans "all-knowing?"
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #375238 is a reply to message #373722] |
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Religious people don't like to look at the facts when they think about their beliefs. It's all about brainwashing kids with religious garbage when they're young and ingrain it in them so that when they grow up they won't try so hard to truly think about their existence. They will always be dumb and unable to think until they stop putting their fingers in their ears and going lalala whenever science is mentioned.
although I suppose if there wasn't any stupid people we wouldn't know who the smart ones were.
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #376046 is a reply to message #375255] |
Fri, 13 March 2009 06:05 |
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| Dreganius wrote on Sat, 07 March 2009 03:25 |
My god, you just don't shut up, Spoony. I originally blamed you equally, and then you called that stupid, but the funny thing is that by saying that you're getting more and more off-topic which is exactly what I was on about.
So now you've just gone on about it proving me right even more.
Topicwise:
GET ON WITH IT!
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So... by pointing out why you were absolutely dead wrong, I 'proved you right'.
OK... guess you graduated from the jerad grey school of non-logic. Either that or you're pathologically terrified of admitting you were wrong about something... it's also quite funny that you physically couldn't stop yourself replying, even though you haven't actually contributed anything to the debate at all.
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #376142 is a reply to message #375269] |
Sat, 14 March 2009 03:47 |
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| renalpha wrote on Sat, 07 March 2009 08:56 |
this topic should be stated by enormous bullshit.
And therefore should be closed, in anyway you want to debate about how old the earth is, you should read the bible and darwins theory before you start discussing this stuff.
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why ought anyone to read the bible as a prerequisite to debating the age of the earth? you may as well say you mustn't involve yourself in a debate on astronomy if you haven't seen Star Wars.
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #376386 is a reply to message #373722] |
Sun, 15 March 2009 21:32 |
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To be honest, nobody knows 100%. These points can be argued either way in my opinion.
Science: There's no way they can be 100% sure because there was nobody around then, and our technology could be off.
Religion: Nobody can really prove that God, Buddha, or any other god or gods exist, because there is no proof. There is only faith.
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| Re: How old is our planet, and the effect this question has on the Bible. [message #377669 is a reply to message #373787] |
Fri, 27 March 2009 12:27 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 27 February 2009 10:16 |
Basic logic and common sense does..
It's totally ridiculous to think that one race of animal: Human, is so awesome as that they have their own place to go to after they die, apart from anything else in the entire universe. It's both highly ridiculous and makes humans look like total selfish, self promoting jerks..
Not just any form of ridiculous, I mean like squirrel cooking bacon ridiculous..
It really boggles the mind how selfish people can be...
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I think you have it all wrong. Maybe there is a god, or there isn't, but everyone has to have something to believe in. Whether it be a god or not, believing in something is what keeps us going 
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