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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364007 is a reply to message #364005] |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:31 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 15:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47 |
If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
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I don't think we're actually differing on what it means for something to be complete. What I think where we disagree is at what point the project is complete.
You seem to imply that it must be publicly recognized/used before it could be considered complete. I, instead, consider it complete if it works, regardless of recognition.
To put it another way: If I have to get my car repaired, your definition of it being completed is when I pick up my car. On the other hand, I feel it's completed when they've stopped working on it, and my car is in working condition, whether I pick my car up immediately, take a week, a month, or a year. Hell, if I die in transit to pick up my car, your view would leave my car repair incomplete. Rather, it's just the TRANSACTION is incomplete, not the repair itself.
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Not recognition, but use.
To use the check example; If I have a stack of uncashed checks, they are, for all intents and purposes, worthless until I deposit them. I can't use them to buy groceries or anything else. Sure, the POTENTIAL is there, and I wouldn't go about throwing them away, but if I don't take that final step of going to the bank, I'm just as well off as not having the check in the first place. It's not a matter of fame, but a matter of utility
The work on your car may be "completed", true, but you're not getting any use out of it until you go pick it up. If you die in transit, you NEVER get any use out of it. The "work" may be done, but without picking up your car, what does that get you? You don't have a car to drive. Your car may as well be broken.
Now, on to the xwis clone; The "work" is (was?) done. The "car is fixed", the "check is recieved". But why should I give a shit if I can't use his clone, or "drive the car", or "pay my bills"? It (was?) ready for public beta. Whoop de fucking do. From my perspective (And anybody else save Null, apperantly), it may as well have never existed. What difference does it make to me if the "work" is done, if it was never released? It's useless. Worthless. Entirely without merit. A waste of time and effort.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364012 is a reply to message #364010] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 14:05 |
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indeed. nobody was really going out of their way to slate linkup (especially since nobody knew about it before this thread).... the only reason anyone said anything about it is because null and havocide made such ridiculous claims about it so null would feel better about himself. That's what the thread was about in the first place, null's fury at someone (luv2pb in this case, but it could just as well have been anybody else) not knowing or caring who he was. Linkup wasn't the target, linkup was just the "evidence" null used to support his feeble claims. If he's gonna make a claim like that, it'll be analysed and the facts checked, and once the facts get checked he seems to have a recurring habit of disappearing in anger and everyone going back to not caring about him yet again.
It probably would've been better for his reputation (or least, not made it worse than it already is) if he never mentioned linkup at all.
I guess that wraps up the thread really, and we'll see him in another three years when someone else makes the mistake of saying "Sorry, who are you again?"
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364020 is a reply to message #364017] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 14:55 |
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| Canadacdn wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 15:34 |
ESPECIALLY Scrin.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364023 is a reply to message #363458] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 15:11 |
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Scrin ruins everything good and pure. Remember when this thread had Plecos and was good? Dammit Scrin...
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364057 is a reply to message #363983] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 20:13 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:33 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:30 |
I doubt it's about costs at all. If it was such a good alternative to XWIS, we'd have heard about it, because nobody makes a project like that, and decides not to share it because we are all 'dumbasses' .
If costs were truly a concern, I'm sure there'd be a few people with money around this place who would front the coin for running the thing.
Frankly, I don't think it has been completed at all.
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You're free to have your assumptions, but they'd be wrong.
Be it justified or not, xptek tends to get tired of people fairly quickly and abandons projects when people start to annoy him.
The reason why it was unknown is because it was created only by two people (xptek and pvtschlag) in a fairly short amount of time. They were both part of the same IRC community, and they decided to start up the project. Once it got to public beta stage, xptek decided to stop with its progress. That's why it's unknown.
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At what point do you stop typing nonsense and realize that you look foolish being devil's advocate for people that have no interest in anyone but themselves and their "internet fame" because they "could have done something" for us? It reminds me of people that say "remember when i did this or that for you" every so often, as if they need validation that they're good people? All it does is make anyone listening want to stop taking any help or assistance from them so they can't keep holding it over your head. This is the same situation, but they haven't really done anything so it's pointless... all of it is pointless.
You should stop while you're behind. It's fairly obvious that you hate everyone and everything while using "libertarian" as a mask for being a dick to people. If you really cared about what anyone here thought of you, it might be wise to step back and look at who you're defending:
xptek, who's an aprime clone with a little bit more intelligence and the same "i don't care what you think but i'm going to keep trying to get your attention because i don't care" attitude, and null, the "i used botnets and ddosed people online because i got beat up in school, so i want respect from renegade players" power abusing maniac.
If that's the kind of person you enjoy associating with, that's fine and dandy.. it explains why you're getting the responses you've gotten though, and I doubt you care but my respect for you has done way downhill since I read this travesty of a thread.
For your sake, please, just shut up.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364059 is a reply to message #364057] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 20:31 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 22:13 |
At what point do you stop typing nonsense and realize that you look foolish being devil's advocate for people that have no interest in anyone but themselves and their "internet fame" because they "could have done something" for us? It reminds me of people that say "remember when i did this or that for you" every so often, as if they need validation that they're good people? All it does is make anyone listening want to stop taking any help or assistance from them so they can't keep holding it over your head. This is the same situation, but they haven't really done anything so it's pointless... all of it is pointless.
You should stop while you're behind. It's fairly obvious that you hate everyone and everything while using "libertarian" as a mask for being a dick to people. If you really cared about what anyone here thought of you, it might be wise to step back and look at who you're defending:
xptek, who's an aprime clone with a little bit more intelligence and the same "i don't care what you think but i'm going to keep trying to get your attention because i don't care" attitude, and null, the "i used botnets and ddosed people online because i got beat up in school, so i want respect from renegade players" power abusing maniac.
If that's the kind of person you enjoy associating with, that's fine and dandy.. it explains why you're getting the responses you've gotten though, and I doubt you care but my respect for you has done way downhill since I read this travesty of a thread.
For your sake, please, just shut up.
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I'm not defending null or havocide. I was defending Linkup and explaining xptek's intentions. Neither him or I are trying to boast about Linkup.
I had a slight part in Linkup. Well, not really, but I got the privilege to use Linkup, and I knew its potential. I don't care who the developers are, and I have no intention to hold them in high regard. The only thing I'm holding in high regard is the project itself.
How I am on these forums is not an accurate depiction of who I am. It never has been, and I see no reason why it should be. Talk to me on an instant messenger, and I'm not the hate monger I appear on here. It's only because the threads that interest me enough have the drama that's entertaining. I'm not trying to hide behind any banner, either. I don't need to justify my actions by hiding behind an identity.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364125 is a reply to message #364059] |
Sat, 20 December 2008 11:09 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 21:31 |
I'm not defending null or havocide. I was defending Linkup and explaining xptek's intentions. Neither him or I are trying to boast about Linkup.
I had a slight part in Linkup. Well, not really, but I got the privilege to use Linkup, and I knew its potential. I don't care who the developers are, and I have no intention to hold them in high regard. The only thing I'm holding in high regard is the project itself.
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In that case, surely xptek deserves criticism for witholding it from the community. This "you're all morons" excuse is garbage and it amazes me that you fall for it. Like I said, if xptek made a list of everyone he despises in this community (like null did), it would add up to a very very small minority of people who play or in some way support this game.
He wouldn't even have to pay for its running if he didn't want to, he could just release it and let someone else handle the costs. $300 a month? I've known some people pay that just on a few servers. In this way, not only would the community get something great out of it (presumably... though we have nothing but your word) but xptek would gain a great deal of respect for doing something good for the community even though he didn't like anybody here.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364159 is a reply to message #363458] |
Sat, 20 December 2008 13:36 |
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I think it's a valid reason. Be it a bullshit one that only proves him to be self-interested, it still isn't that far-fetched.
Even if it's only a minority of the population (which after nearly 7 years of being a part of the renegade community, I don't see how it's merely a minority), it makes perfect sense that it would be his reasoning. After all, people tend to only look at a minority of a group for them to pass judgment on the entire group. Homosexuals are flamboyant and immoral. Arabs are terrorists. Republicans are crazy, war-mongering neo-cons. Liberals are stupid hippies. Libertarians are conspiracy theorist nut-jobs that know for certain the world is out to get them. Gamers are pimply-faced nerds that are afraid of sunlight. I don't think I need to go further with stereotyping.
As far as him not releasing it, I don't blame people for not wanting to release everything they create that could be used for good. Everybody cries for everything to be public domain, and then the creators don't tend to get much out of it. Be it a lame excuse to hold back from releasing something, it's not out of the ordinary.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364196 is a reply to message #364159] |
Sat, 20 December 2008 19:31 |
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Keeping that in mind, I wonder how many people from the Renegade community have given Strike-Team any thanks.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364315 is a reply to message #364196] |
Sun, 21 December 2008 19:46 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sat, 20 December 2008 21:31 |
Keeping that in mind, I wonder how many people from the Renegade community have given Strike-Team any thanks.
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I know by now it is well documented by the all mighty authority and my #2 fan null that I'm an idiot and the worst administrator to ever hit Renegade but I feel it necessary to point out that in my opinion strike-team deserves zero thanks. There really isn't that much functionality to WOL yet some how strike-team has managed to break just about every aspect of it. It is only by the fact that they have to that servers and players can even connect to the thing any more. The recent 24+ hour unplanned and than unexplained down time is just another example in a long list of why I feel this way.
So what do you want to bet that if I started digging I would find that null was behind the fail script kiddy flood today that we squashed?
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364339 is a reply to message #364315] |
Mon, 22 December 2008 03:49 |
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It would not exactly shock me, and I acknowledge your points about strike-team. I was just pointing out that cheesesoda has nothing but praise for a project like XWIS which was never even beta-released. At least XWIS have come up with something. That, to me, seems almost as retarded than some of the crap we've heard from null.
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