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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350286 is a reply to message #350281]

Wed, 10 September 2008 11:59

R315r4z0r
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renalpha wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 13:56

Bush killed my causin.

Dont say bush didnt directly do anything to 9/11

He is the one who is responsable for his death, so is the taliban.
But without bush i could chill with him again.
Sad

RIP Jos ten Brinke

That makes absolutely no sense... if Bush wasn't the president, 9/11 would of still happened.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350290 is a reply to message #350281]

Wed, 10 September 2008 12:04

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renalpha wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 13:56

Bush killed my causin.

Dont say bush didnt directly do anything to 9/11

He is the one who is responsable for his death, so is the taliban.
But without bush i could chill with him again.
Sad

RIP Jos ten Brinke

Haha yeah okay, whatever. It's also George Bush's fault that Al Qaeda exists right? Wrong.

Blame Bill Clinton. We had Osama in the crosshairs of a UAV once but were too chicken to do it. This was way before 9/11, but he already had his international douchebag reputation, so it would have been cool.

I just love how Europeans just don't understand America that much, though. I'm sorry for your loss but it's not Bush's fault at all.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350333 is a reply to message #350281]

Wed, 10 September 2008 17:11

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renalpha wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 13:56

Bush killed my causin.

Dont say bush didnt directly do anything to 9/11

He is the one who is responsable for his death, so is the taliban.
But without bush i could chill with him again.
Sad

RIP Jos ten Brinke

wow you give bush a ton of credit. He wasnt even in office 6 months and planned this whole thing out without the clinton administration knowing a dam thing.

I keep hearing how stupid bush is.

So which is it?

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350348 is a reply to message #350333]

Wed, 10 September 2008 17:41

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Obviously the last 3 n00bs that posted do not understand the Grief Cycle.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350350 is a reply to message #349187]

Wed, 10 September 2008 17:44

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But I'm not grieving. What happened on 9/11 never came across me as an "omg horrible tragedy" until about 2 years after it happened... and by then it was too late.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350351 is a reply to message #350350]

Wed, 10 September 2008 17:49

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R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 19:44

But I'm not grieving. What happened on 9/11 never came across me as an "omg horrible tragedy" until about 2 years after it happened... and by then it was too late.

Was talking about renalpha.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350353 is a reply to message #350351]

Wed, 10 September 2008 17:53

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You said last 3, and I assumed you weren't calling yourself a n00b. Razz

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350354 is a reply to message #350353]

Wed, 10 September 2008 17:57

Starbuzzz
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R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 19:53

You said last 3, and I assumed you weren't calling yourself a n00b. Razz

You misunderstand Sneaky

. "Last 3 n00bs" in the sense that you guys are responding to a person who has gone through a tragedy and has lost a loved one. He is going through the Grief Cycle and is obviously angry at what happened.

IMO, not the right time to refute anything he says. Let him be.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350404 is a reply to message #349187]

Wed, 10 September 2008 23:17

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Reading all of these "its the presidents fault" posts all over this forum really gives me a laugh. You people forget that we have three branches of the government to balance the power, not to mention the president doesn't actually have much authority without supervision and approval.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350410 is a reply to message #349187]

Wed, 10 September 2008 23:43

R315r4z0r
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President controls crap, really.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350418 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 00:09

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Agreed, and considering how fucking mixed the government actually is, it makes me laugh even harder when people create these ridiculous conspiracy theories.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350445 is a reply to message #350348]

Thu, 11 September 2008 05:17

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pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 20:41

Obviously the last 3 n00bs that posted do not understand the Grief Cycle.

You're an idiot. Grief cycle or not, blaming Bush for any death in Afghanistan is just stupid.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350447 is a reply to message #350445]

Thu, 11 September 2008 05:22

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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 07:17

pawkyfox wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 20:41

Obviously the last 3 n00bs that posted do not understand the Grief Cycle.

You're an idiot. Grief cycle or not, blaming Bush for any death in Afghanistan is just stupid.

wow you uptight snob, the guy is feeling the loss of his cousin and is now pissed off at why it has happened and is finding a scapegoat to blame as it happens with many victims. Now is not the time to shove your logic up his ass. That's all I am saying.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350449 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 05:39

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You act as if I haven't had anybody I know die. Not that it's important, and I'm not saying this to gain sympathy, but my grandma died unexpectedly yesterday. Did I start blaming someone? Not really. I mean, my grandma had been given a new med the other night that made her sick, and I got angry that it could have been the meds. However, once I found out the C.O.D., I wasn't blaming anybody or anything.

I did yell at God for not existing, though, but that's been a personal struggle for me for the past few months, anyway.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350451 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 05:57

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He had his own topic to grieve in. I've had people I know die, this doesn't mean I look for a scapegoat. That's why society's as fucked up as it is- People look for a scapegoat when problems arise. Also, wait, is his cousin American? Last I checked, renalpha isn't American... So, blaming Bush is even MORE retarded.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350456 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 06:27

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Well, he's blaming Bush for starting the war in Afghanistan which the Dutch followed, thus resulting in his cousin's eventual death.

However, even Ron Paul supported going to war in Afghanistan because it was a defensive war, and not preemptive like Bush's war in Iraq.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350487 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 11:48

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Someone deleted my post that I made way before cheeses but I basically said the same thing.

Directed @Pawky:

"Why don't you just fuck off, huh? That's cool, he's grieving. I can understand that, loss of a family member is a terrible thing. But no way in hell does that mean nobody is allowed to correct him or dispute anything he says."

Seriously though. Stop trying to be the moral superhero and just shove it, you're acting like a retard calling people uptight snobs for arguing in the argument section of the forum.

yeah

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350497 is a reply to message #350487]

Thu, 11 September 2008 13:10

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u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 13:48

Directed @Pawky:

"Why don't you just fuck off, huh? That's cool, he's grieving. I can understand that, loss of a family member is a terrible thing. But no way in hell does that mean nobody is allowed to correct him or dispute anything he says."

Seriously though. Stop trying to be the moral superhero and just shove it, you're acting like a retard calling people uptight snobs for arguing in the argument section of the forum.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350499 is a reply to message #350497]

Thu, 11 September 2008 13:12

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pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 16:10

u6795 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 13:48

How is that ironic? Take a break from posting shit for a while and say something that makes sense.

yeah

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350501 is a reply to message #350499]

Thu, 11 September 2008 13:13

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ROFL ^

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350502 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 13:16

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350503 is a reply to message #350502]

Thu, 11 September 2008 13:19

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A lot of people died then, and it was pretty sad.

But I did a bit of research, and came up with this:
There are about 2,975 US fatalities in 9/11, excluding the 19 hijackers.
There are over 151,000 civilian casualties in the War on Terrorism in Iraq alone.

If you do the math, pretty much for every US civilian who died that day, about 50 Iraqi civilians die in return.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350513 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 14:04

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Quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong.

The number of Iraqi civilian deaths is in dispute; according to the Lancet in July 2006, an estimated 601,000 Iraqi civilians had been killed. That number was largely viewed as accurate by many news and even military sources, and that was two years ago.

So if the estimate was wrong, and 600,000 Iraqi civilians had been as of TODAY, that's still about 200 per American killed on 9/11.

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Re: It's that time of year again [message #350517 is a reply to message #349187]

Thu, 11 September 2008 14:23

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Proportionality has always been a crucial part of Christian Just War Theory, and it is clear that the Iraq War has torn the doctrine of jus ad bellum to shreds.

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