| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350438 is a reply to message #346646] |
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I never got to vote because I clicked to see the results and now it won't go back to the voting screen...tell Spoony a week before the poll closes and he'll make a thread at clanwars urging people to vote and "yes" will have the majority...not that it should really matter on something this obvious.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350473 is a reply to message #350417] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 09:19 |
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| Goztow wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 03:00 |
| XCorupt69 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 02:51 |
So im guessing it will be disabled by default then? (since no won).
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If we leave it open for a bit longer, yes will maybe win... It's quite clear that the difference between the "yes" and "no" is really minimal.
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So because you believe it should be fixed, and since your a mod, you can just leave it open untill the side you favor wins? Wow, biased much? thats pure bullshit.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350485 is a reply to message #350473] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 11:26 |
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| XCorupt69 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:19 |
| Goztow wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 03:00 |
| XCorupt69 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 02:51 |
So im guessing it will be disabled by default then? (since no won).
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If we leave it open for a bit longer, yes will maybe win... It's quite clear that the difference between the "yes" and "no" is really minimal.
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So because you believe it should be fixed, and since your a mod, you can just leave it open untill the side you favor wins? Wow, biased much? thats pure bullshit.
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You're missing the point. I'm not going to close anything as this isn't my poll and not my decision. What I mean is that if the difference is so close, it's not good to make a decision on a certain date. If he had said in advance: "poll will be open for x days", then that would have changed everything of course.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350486 is a reply to message #346675] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 11:26 |
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| Kanezor wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 15:30 |
There's plenty of spots whereas if you remove outside PTs, you will pretty much never be able to disable a beacon in time if you encounter any beacon cover whatsoever. The barracks is especially vulnerable with it having only a single entrance, and that's on nearly any map. Any beacon on the rear end of it would be almost a guaranteed destruction. The back corner of the Refineries (near the tunnels) on Field when the base defenses are offline are also vulnerable.
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to nuke behind bar on field, the agt must be down. and defending agt has nothing to do with pt's.
i noticed that when i saw someone doing it, so i started doing it too.. but i do it just because its possible. if you remove it, i will be fine with that.
i think it should be removed. i mean, it's unreasonable, can u watch tv if u turn it around? or can u play renegade by staring at the case of ur monitor? it's meant to be used from inside, so it should be fixed.
sorry for my english btw.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350491 is a reply to message #350486] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 11:53 |
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I agree, and I think the points fix is more controversial than fixing this.
This should be a no brainer fix since the points fix pretty much seemed to be that way.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350494 is a reply to message #350485] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 12:16 |
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| XCorupt69 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:19 |
| Goztow wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 03:00 |
| XCorupt69 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 02:51 |
So im guessing it will be disabled by default then? (since no won).
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If we leave it open for a bit longer, yes will maybe win... It's quite clear that the difference between the "yes" and "no" is really minimal.
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So because you believe it should be fixed, and since your a mod, you can just leave it open untill the side you favor wins? Wow, biased much? thats pure bullshit.
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The "No" side haven't provided any decent argument, so "Yes" wins by default.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350535 is a reply to message #350494] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 16:09 |
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I don't think you really need a "good argument" if everyone wants it to stay in the game.
I voted to remove it myself.
Come on though.
Whichever side leads in the poll should take it.
Taking it out is winning right?
I better check...wow...this is the closest poll ever.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350536 is a reply to message #346646] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 16:36 |
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| mac wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 03:31 |
Hello Everybody,
There has been some controversy about the ability to use the purchase terminals outside of the buildings. There have been arguments to fix this bug, and also arguments to leave it alone.
At this point, we're undecided if we should fix this issue, and we've decided to create a poll instead, to let the users decide.
Note that this fix can only apply to all stock maps, as all the maps have to be edited. Fan maps are not going to be fixed.
We'll also need a mapper to make this happen, so we're open for recruiting in this department.
Note that there will be either a "unfixpt" or a "fixpt" seperate patch available to keep everyone happy.. it's just the question which fix should be default..
Please keep the flaming in the other thread..
-mac
Edit by Goz:
In short what has been said in defense of the PT fix:
* they weren't meant to be;
* sbh nuke = 1.400 credits, it should have at least a chance of success;
* PT outside = advantage for GDI as Nod only has it on air (can be nuked anywhere on the runway anyway) and the oby whereas GDI has it on agt, bar, wf. On most maps it's usable for GDI, only on a few maps for Nod;
* people can and will adapt their strategies to this, which will give a new flow of strategies for Renegade.
Things said against it:
* it will be nearly impossible to defend against some nukes (exemple: field barracks back);
* everyone is used to it/uses it, so why remove it?
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I Voted Yes To Remove It Is Bug For Fucks Sake Just Remove It.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350586 is a reply to message #346646] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 23:26 |
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Well, it's 50/50 now: 73 votes vs 73. I think we really should give it a break now and consider 50/50 as a fair result...
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350598 is a reply to message #346646] |
Fri, 12 September 2008 04:01 |
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"Yes" won anyway, through arguments posted here.
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[19:16:48] <APBBR> @ryan3k: THE ENFIELD DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS BECAUSE THE BULLETS INSTANTLY HIT THEIR TARGETS LOL
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350656 is a reply to message #350586] |
Fri, 12 September 2008 17:51 |
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| Goztow wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 02:26 |
Well, it's 50/50 now: 73 votes vs 73. I think we really should give it a break now and consider 50/50 as a fair result...
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Wow, see I was right. You guys just kept it open long enough to even shit out, not even win, wow this is fucking bullshit, Goztow you should be embarressed by the shithole of a moderation job you do here, the reason's behide it don't matter, community voted, LISTEN TO US.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350658 is a reply to message #350656] |
Fri, 12 September 2008 17:52 |
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| XCorupt69 wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 19:51 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 02:26 |
Well, it's 50/50 now: 73 votes vs 73. I think we really should give it a break now and consider 50/50 as a fair result...
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Wow, see I was right. You guys just kept it open long enough to even shit out, not even win, wow this is fucking bullshit, Goztow you should be embarressed by the shithole of a moderation job you do here, the reason's behide it don't matter, community voted, LISTEN TO US.
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What "us"? The no side haven't posted a single good argument against the PT fix.
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[19:16:48] <APBBR> @ryan3k: THE ENFIELD DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS BECAUSE THE BULLETS INSTANTLY HIT THEIR TARGETS LOL
[19:16:52] <APBBR> @ryan3k: CHRONO TECHNOLOGY IN TEH BULLETS
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[22:48]<APBBR> @V0LK0V: AOL COMING UR WAI K
[22:48] <APBBR> Host: Quitting due to Westwood Online connection loss.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350668 is a reply to message #350656] |
Fri, 12 September 2008 19:40 |
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| XCorupt69 wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 19:51 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 02:26 |
Well, it's 50/50 now: 73 votes vs 73. I think we really should give it a break now and consider 50/50 as a fair result...
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Wow, see I was right. You guys just kept it open long enough to even shit out, not even win, wow this is fucking bullshit, Goztow you should be embarressed by the shithole of a moderation job you do here, the reason's behide it don't matter, community voted, LISTEN TO US.
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Goztow didn't close the poll...
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350683 is a reply to message #346646] |
Fri, 12 September 2008 23:52 |
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xcorupt, I really think you got no clue about what my posts mean :-S.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #350690 is a reply to message #350683] |
Sat, 13 September 2008 01:16 |
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if the "democracy" was inconclusive, surely it seems wise to judge the winner by which side made the best arguments... as if that's hard to determine.
fix it by default, but have an option to "unfix" it. simple as.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #351122 is a reply to message #346646] |
Wed, 17 September 2008 06:02 |
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Votes are votes. You cannot simply void 73 votes due to the fact that none of the 'no' voters have put up a sufficient argument. Results now appear inconclusive, and when the poll is inconclusive, then there is no change. IMO, PT glitches should not be fixed.
However, since the arguments in this topic do lead towards the PT glitch being fixed, and if the people at EA or w.e. do decide to fix it, then i still believe that the server owners shud have an option as to whether or not they will have this pt glitch on or off due to the fact the votes are equal.
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| Re: Fix outside PTs? [message #351124 is a reply to message #351122] |
Wed, 17 September 2008 06:10 |
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| soqlogi wrote on Wed, 17 September 2008 15:02 |
However, since the arguments in this topic do lead towards the PT glitch being fixed, and if the people at EA or w.e. do decide to fix it, then i still believe that the server owners shud have an option as to whether or not they will have this pt glitch on or off due to the fact the votes are equal.
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You should at least read the first post before posting. It has always been said that it would be optional, we were just voting for which one would be standard.
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