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Too lazy to look for another thread about this, but seems like it's recently come up again, so it's worth discussing.
Discuss here. Do you believe global warming is majorly caused by human causes or natural causes? Should we be putting in as much time, effort, and money into fighting it as we currently are? Did Al Gore really deserve to win a Nobel Prize for his dumb video and work on global warming? (I guess my side is obvious now)
I'll be posting my findings later on.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337252 is a reply to message #337251] |
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I'm not sure if I would go as far as saying that civilization hasn't had SOME impact on this "climate change", but I'm still convinced that this is just yet another NATURAL climate change that has happened for millenia.
As far as doing something about it, I think we DO need to work towards alternative fuels for the fact that fossil fuels do create a lot of pollution and are high in price. If we can find an abundant, alternative fuel, our air will be cleaner (and this we CAN blame on humanity), and our pockets will be deeper.
I think we, as humans, have a duty to preserve the beauty of our world. I really don't like the concept of breathing in unclean air. Unfortunately, it's been a necessary evil for the longest time, but now progress seems achievable. That's really as far as my environmentalism goes.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337260 is a reply to message #337253] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 12:26 |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 13:41 |
I think it's a factor of both, but mostly us humans has speeded up or caused the problem, you don't have to be smart to understand that releasing so much chemicals in the air is not gonna change anything.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337264 is a reply to message #337252] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 14:03 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 13:36 |
I'm not sure if I would go as far as saying that civilization hasn't had SOME impact on this "climate change", but I'm still convinced that this is just yet another NATURAL climate change that has happened for millenia.
As far as doing something about it, I think we DO need to work towards alternative fuels for the fact that fossil fuels do create a lot of pollution and are high in price. If we can find an abundant, alternative fuel, our air will be cleaner (and this we CAN blame on humanity), and our pockets will be deeper.
I think we, as humans, have a duty to preserve the beauty of our world. I really don't like the concept of breathing in unclean air. Unfortunately, it's been a necessary evil for the longest time, but now progress seems achievable. That's really as far as my environmentalism goes.
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I wonder how many people have thought about using water and splitting it to create hydrogen to use as fuel. It's clean, even more powerful than gasoline or diesel, and emits Hydrogen and water as byproducts. Look for a possible hotrod coming your way 2 years from now possibly powered by that.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337270 is a reply to message #337264] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 14:22 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 16:03 |
I wonder how many people have thought about using water and splitting it to create hydrogen to use as fuel. It's clean, even more powerful than gasoline or diesel, and emits Hydrogen and water as byproducts. Look for a possible hotrod coming your way 2 years from now possibly powered by that.
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It's been thought of since the late 1800's. However, the energy required for electrolysis makes it totally unproductive.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337288 is a reply to message #337280] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 15:14 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 16:55 |
What, we've seen 2-3 degree increase in temperature over 103 years? OH NOES, EVERYBODY GET YOUR SWIMSUITS READY, WE'RE HEADED FOR A HEATWAVE.
Weren't we concerned with global cooling just a few decades ago? These climate changes REALLY ARE CAUSE FOR CONCERN. 
Nikki, it's actually not that bad, at all. GM bought up the patent for it a few years ago, but now that it's in the hands of big oil puppets, it's not likely we'll see that used.
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Remember it takes a LOT of energy for water to even change 1 degree in temperature, if the ocean temperature changes by 2-3 degrees, a lot of energy must be trapped in the atmosphere, which brings us to the fact, greenhouse gases emitted by developed countries are holding in the heat, thus increasing global temperature.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337291 is a reply to message #337280] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 15:23 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 16:55 |
Nikki, it's actually not that bad, at all. GM bought up the patent for it a few years ago, but now that it's in the hands of big oil puppets, it's not likely we'll see that used.
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I didn't think it was patented. There are other processes to extract hydrogen that are slightly more efficient anyway.
The best way to get hydrogen will be through nuclear generation, especially with the 'pebble bed breeder reactor' where hydrogen is an actual byproduct of the fission process.
Even then, it looks to be that future automotive travel will rely on 'plug-in hybrids' , much like General Motors' Chevrolet Volt.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337302 is a reply to message #337288] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 15:59 |
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Remember it takes a LOT of energy for water to even change 1 degree in temperature, if the ocean temperature changes by 2-3 degrees, a lot of energy must be trapped in the atmosphere, which brings us to the fact, greenhouse gases emitted by developed countries are holding in the heat, thus increasing global temperature.
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Yes, I know, high specific heat. Still, the fact that it's only been 2-3 degrees over the course of 103 years is not a whole lot, especially when you take a look at history and the changes in global climate.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337306 is a reply to message #337276] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 16:18 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 17:45 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 13:36 |
I'm not sure if I would go as far as saying that civilization hasn't had SOME impact on this "climate change", but I'm still convinced that this is just yet another NATURAL climate change that has happened for millenia.
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Its people like you and the topic starter which prove to the world how arrogant Americans are...have you ever even briefly actually researched you theory? That idea was brought up in like 2001, and shootdown within the same month. A good visual thing that proves how wrong you are, shows that this time it is warming MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more that it has ever before (within the past 1000 years, naturally).
Want to continue using that argument without actually knowing what you are talking about?
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I'd say you shoot that entire statement back in your own direction.
It's people like YOU who show the rest of the world how gullible and easily led on some Americans are. You take a graph or two and summarize the entire issue with those two piececs of evidence making a generalized and completely uneducated and unresearched statement from those without taking the time to follow up on your on research.
I present this little piece of data that not many people know about:
This is a graph of the average global temperature vs. the number of temperature monitoring stations around the world. Note the sudden decrease of the number of stations at the same time as the suddden increase of global temperature. Coincidence? I think not.
I also present The Petition Project. This is a group of 30000 scientists and doctors who have signed this petition urging the U.S. to reject the global warming agreement written in Japan in December 1997, stating that there is no conclusive evidence that without-a-doubt proves that global warming is mainly due to human cause. Note the petition on the front page signed by Edward Teller, the world famous physicist known for his help with the atomic bomb.
And finally:
Al Gore's house uses 20x the amount of energy an average house would use.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337307 is a reply to message #337251] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 16:20 |
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Note the word "Cause".
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337310 is a reply to message #337251] |
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The Global Warming debate left rationality on a melting iceberg long ago. Thoughtful discussion and debate was hijacked by forces who use it for their own means, including anti-globalization, anti-corporate, and environmental retards. Even al-Qaeda is in on the global warming racket.
Half the time now, I can't even listen to someone spouting off about global warming without laughing my ass off, because of all the errors. One chick I work with who's huge into the subject was at a total loss for words when I quipped that global warming is not a new phenomenon, because we've had several ice ages... her mind literally could not process my smart-bomb of clusterfuctivity.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337330 is a reply to message #337311] |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 20:07 |
So your excuse against global warming is that an American spokesperson house "apparently" uses more energy than it should? Great Argument!
Also, so your ignorance of "not exactly knowing for sure" is also an excuse? Maybe there is a reason why Americans are globally hated so much.....
So there is much shit we can't explain, claiming we can't 100% prove it, therefore it doesn't exists is pretty much the stupidest thing ive heard in a while, congrats!  Ok, so DNA doesn't exist? Absolute zero, black matter, atoms, all don't exist because we can't specifically nail down exactly what they are? Smart thinking again!
Anything else you would like to be proven wrong on? 
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Clearly, you didn't read my first post. I most definately referenced Al Gore as a personal favorite person to hate on. Thusly, the aim of me pointing out Al Gore's home energy usage in my last post was not to emphasize the point that global warming isn't mainly caused by humans, rather to emphasize my hatred.
Second, no where in my last post did I say "not exactly knowing for sure." I didn't even make a reference to people not being sure. Your apparent anti-patriotism is just absolutely disgusting to me, and makes me wonder why you still chose to live in the United States at all, other than you can't get out on your own accord.
Finally, I also never said not being able to prove it 100% means it doesn't exist. Let me restate for you what I did say in terms you might be able to understand:
{{A buncha smart people who know what the fuck they're talking about signed this world-wide paper saying global warming isn't what all these un-informed people are making it out to be.}}
Back to your statement: DNA not existing?? WHAT?? We've fully MODELED the DNA molecule comprised of atoms so get the fuck outta here saying it's not 100% proved and doesn't exist. Absolute zero has been proved through math. Get your facts straight before using them in some half-assed arguement.
But, I'll give you this point you're right on: just because it hasn't been proved doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Any other way I can prove you're just a dumb twat who as I previously said doesn't take the time to research their arguements first?
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337331 is a reply to message #337251] |
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Uh, troop's a Canuck...
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337334 is a reply to message #337308] |
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| SlikRik wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 18:28 |
| sadukar09 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:20 |
Note the word "Cause".
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I fail to see how this changes anything.
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Of course we didn't start global warming, it's natural, however, we sped it up much faster than it would be naturally.
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337335 is a reply to message #337331] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 21:42 |
Uh, troop's a Canuck...
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O shit you're right.
Well, my bad on that. Glad he doesn't live in the US then, otherwise I'd have to boot him out myself.
| sadukar09 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 21:48 |
| SlikRik wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 18:28 |
| sadukar09 wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:20 |
Note the word "Cause".
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I fail to see how this changes anything.
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Of course we didn't start global warming, it's natural, however, we sped it up much faster than it would be naturally.
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Well that's undeniable, the real debate is how much of a role humans have to play in it.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
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| Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337337 is a reply to message #337251] |
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I really don't understand this issue very much.
Would someone care to explain WHY SHOULD WE CARE how much involvement we played, as humans, in global warming?
Does it really make a difference knowing who started it and who continued it and who lead it to where?
The way I see it is that someway or another the global temperature is rising and something should or shouldn't be done about it. Why should we spend so much time pondering who started it? If we think it is a problem, we should try and do something to fix it. If not, we should just leave it alone... end of story.
There have been global temperature increases and decreases hundreds of thousands of times in the history of this planet, so I really do not see what the big deal is..
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 21:32 |
I really don't understand this issue very much.
Would someone care to explain WHY SHOULD WE CARE how much involvement we played, as humans, in global warming?
Does it really make a difference knowing who started it and who continued it and who lead it to where?
The way I see it is that someway or another the global temperature is rising and something should or shouldn't be done about it. Why should we spend so much time pondering who started it? If we think it is a problem, we should try and do something to fix it. If not, we should just leave it alone... end of story.
There have been global temperature increases and decreases hundreds of thousands of times in the history of this planet, so I really do not see what the big deal is..
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