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R315r4z0r
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No don't worry, I have no reason to believe your father is a bad person.
It is just that every single time I have encountered a police officer, they just seem to be a total jerk that takes advantage of their authority.
I remember this one time after graduation I believe 2 years ago. It was about 11:30 and I was just turning off my computer. My room was dark and my window was open. I could hear the sounds of teenagers laughing and partying in the public park across the street from my house. All of a sudden a police officer drives up... probably in response to one of my neighbors complaining about the noise (which really was not very loud... but they again I live across the street from it.) Any way, he pulls up and parks behind some of their cars that where parked outside the entrance (which also happens to be right across the street from my house.)
Keep in mind it is nearly midnight and the kids are deep in the park. The cop blurts his siren a few times to try and get their attention... in my neighborhood, right across the street from my house. I'm sitting at my window watching him. The officer steps out of his car with a blinding flashlight and then starts pointing the light into the windows of people's houses, probably looking to see if he woke anyone up. He points it in my face and then shuts the light off. He walks into the park and I don't hear anything for another 3 or 4 min.
Then soon after, a bunch of kids run out and get into their cars and speed off. (Some of them speed off, others don't leave). So what does the cop do? He goes right for the kids that are in the parked car... I guess it is a rational decision, but he never calls in anything saying that the other kids where speeding away. He tests the people in the parked car with a few road side tests and this goes on for like 10 min. Finally they where free to leave and THEN he calls in that the other kids sped away.
Then again, he points his flashlight into the houses of the people around, and again in my face. He said something to me when he saw me, but he was too far away for me to hear him and I don't really care what he had to say.
But the guy was such a dick about everything, I just wanted to go out and punch him in the face..
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #336911 is a reply to message #336890] |
Sun, 22 June 2008 16:41 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:23 |
I'm going to be completely honest here. (First off I didn't watch the video)
I cannot stand police officers. I have absolutely no respect for them at all. They think that just because they have a badge and the government gave them a small amount of authority over everyone else that they have the right to thing they are better than everyone else.
A good cop is an officer that will:
-Help someone in need, no questions asked
-If the area is quiet and they are patrolling through it... KEEP it quiet and not blast their siren or something for kicks.
-Treat other citizens with the exact same respect they are looking to receive and none of that "I'm all high and mighty crap."
I can go on and on with listing what a good cop should be, but I have never seen an officer with 2 or more of those traits...
If you ask me, the crime rate is going up against officers, but to be completely honest, they brought it on themselves.
Now I'm not saying ALL police officers are stuck up jerks who enjoy pushing others around, I'm just saying that for those of them that are like that (and there are quite a bit), it is THERE fault that many people dislike being in the presence of police officers and for that same reason crime against police officers has gone up.
If police officers could just be normal friendly people than I bet there wouldn't be nearly as much violence against them in the first place.
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I watched the video. I don't think the guy is an "animal" I just think he lacks the ability to control his anger and aggression. He is probably stereotypical thinking that all cops are just there to hurt the public and hide behind a badge. I think that he should be locked up for life, not because he assaulted a cop but because he fired it in a person's face. A.K.A Attempted Murder. The fact that he shot at a cop should be irrelevant.
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #336919 is a reply to message #336910] |
Sun, 22 June 2008 16:45 |
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hm yeah man i can understand my dad has always told me their are police officers in his department that are jerks. most of the officers had got laid off for goofing around i can understand. but my dad is not like that he is always nice he pulls people over for just a routine traffic stop just totaly normal and they start giving my dad shit and he is being as nice as he can about it. their still treating him like shit and hes still being very polite to them. its just people need to stop being assholes my dad is prolly of the nicest people i have ever been around in my life and im glad to have him as a dad. if you can watch the video and you can understand. thats if you want im not gonna make you.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 16:39 |
No don't worry, I have no reason to believe your father is a bad person.
It is just that every single time I have encountered a police officer, they just seem to be a total jerk that takes advantage of their authority.
I remember this one time after graduation I believe 2 years ago. It was about 11:30 and I was just turning off my computer. My room was dark and my window was open. I could hear the sounds of teenagers laughing and partying in the public park across the street from my house. All of a sudden a police officer drives up... probably in response to one of my neighbors complaining about the noise (which really was not very loud... but they again I live across the street from it.) Any way, he pulls up and parks behind some of their cars that where parked outside the entrance (which also happens to be right across the street from my house.)
Keep in mind it is nearly midnight and the kids are deep in the park. The cop blurts his siren a few times to try and get their attention... in my neighborhood, right across the street from my house. I'm sitting at my window watching him. The officer steps out of his car with a blinding flashlight and then starts pointing the light into the windows of people's houses, probably looking to see if he woke anyone up. He points it in my face and then shuts the light off. He walks into the park and I don't hear anything for another 3 or 4 min.
Then soon after, a bunch of kids run out and get into their cars and speed off. (Some of them speed off, others don't leave). So what does the cop do? He goes right for the kids that are in the parked car... I guess it is a rational decision, but he never calls in anything saying that the other kids where speeding away. He tests the people in the parked car with a few road side tests and this goes on for like 10 min. Finally they where free to leave and THEN he calls in that the other kids sped away.
Then again, he points his flashlight into the houses of the people around, and again in my face. He said something to me when he saw me, but he was too far away for me to hear him and I don't really care what he had to say.
But the guy was such a dick about everything, I just wanted to go out and punch him in the face..
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #336926 is a reply to message #336923] |
Sun, 22 June 2008 16:52 |
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exactly. well thanks for understanding and i also understand you 100% most officers are dicks i agree, our city has dick cops to its just insane. ya know?
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:49 |
Yea, I watched it. I edited my second post in this thread.
And I agree with you 100% There are plenty of police officers that do do the right thing.. but it doesn't really help the situation much.
It is simply human nature to see the worst in people. If there is one or more police officers that are jerks to people, people tend to dislike all of them.
And this isn't just for something like this. Look at other things too like companies... Microsoft, Electronic Arts... They both have done plenty of good for the consumers, but every time something bad happens, they are back to square one again.
It takes a lifetime to build up a good, respected reputation. But it only takes 5 seconds to make a bad one.
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #336986 is a reply to message #336785] |
Sun, 22 June 2008 20:06 |
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Here's a thought: Maybe we could stop expecting the police to prevent crime, and start treating them as the purely reactionary force they are supposed to be(which is, coincidentally, the only role they are able to perform reliably)? Then we could stop putting ludicrous restrictions on private citizens owning weapons, and allow the law-abiding population to provide its own deterrent to crime! Just thinkin' out loud here. Maybe we could get really radical and pass laws preventing stupid lawsuits- then people wouldn't be so afraid to report or intervene in crimes, which could very possibly result in fewer criminals getting away! I should write some of this down; it'd make a great novel.
"We'll make you pay if we catch you!"
Emphasis on the if. Fear of immediate consequences deters crime. The police do not and cannot offer immediate consequences.
*edit: Traffic stops are just bad news. I'd love to see an increase in the amount of time officers spend training on night stops. Officers should also be required to double up at night. Yes, that reduces the number of units available for enforcement, but it's a hell of a lot safer than sending them out alone. I'd sooner see fewer fatalities than an increase in the number of people nailed for speeding or any other violation.
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #337064 is a reply to message #336986] |
Mon, 23 June 2008 09:26 |
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yes they beef up their patrol at night and your right we do need to smarten up.
| NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 22:06 |
Here's a thought: Maybe we could stop expecting the police to prevent crime, and start treating them as the purely reactionary force they are supposed to be(which is, coincidentally, the only role they are able to perform reliably)? Then we could stop putting ludicrous restrictions on private citizens owning weapons, and allow the law-abiding population to provide its own deterrent to crime! Just thinkin' out loud here. Maybe we could get really radical and pass laws preventing stupid lawsuits- then people wouldn't be so afraid to report or intervene in crimes, which could very possibly result in fewer criminals getting away! I should write some of this down; it'd make a great novel.
"We'll make you pay if we catch you!"
Emphasis on the if. Fear of immediate consequences deters crime. The police do not and cannot offer immediate consequences.
*edit: Traffic stops are just bad news. I'd love to see an increase in the amount of time officers spend training on night stops. Officers should also be required to double up at night. Yes, that reduces the number of units available for enforcement, but it's a hell of a lot safer than sending them out alone. I'd sooner see fewer fatalities than an increase in the number of people nailed for speeding or any other violation.
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #337074 is a reply to message #336986] |
Mon, 23 June 2008 10:29 |
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| NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 23:06 |
Here's a thought: Maybe we could stop expecting the police to prevent crime, and start treating them as the purely reactionary force they are supposed to be(which is, coincidentally, the only role they are able to perform reliably)? Then we could stop putting ludicrous restrictions on private citizens owning weapons, and allow the law-abiding population to provide its own deterrent to crime! Just thinkin' out loud here. Maybe we could get really radical and pass laws preventing stupid lawsuits- then people wouldn't be so afraid to report or intervene in crimes, which could very possibly result in fewer criminals getting away! I should write some of this down; it'd make a great novel.
"We'll make you pay if we catch you!"
Emphasis on the if. Fear of immediate consequences deters crime. The police do not and cannot offer immediate consequences.
*edit: Traffic stops are just bad news. I'd love to see an increase in the amount of time officers spend training on night stops. Officers should also be required to double up at night. Yes, that reduces the number of units available for enforcement, but it's a hell of a lot safer than sending them out alone. I'd sooner see fewer fatalities than an increase in the number of people nailed for speeding or any other violation.
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Wait, a REACTIONARY force? You mean, the government should stick to the idea that all people are innocent until proven guilty? That's a fucking crazy idea. You're one Hell of a radical. That would mean people would have more liberty, and that's bad news for the government.
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #337130 is a reply to message #337080] |
Mon, 23 June 2008 16:26 |
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yeah shes allowed to go
| madrackz wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 12:56 |
| Evan wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 18:23 |
thanks man my thoughts are with your sister i know its a horrible thing that 9/11 happened we have to just stand up and keep on fighting, my mom is actually going to iraq in december.
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WTF? she´s allowed? wow did that Idiots didnt noticed your mom has Kids?
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #337356 is a reply to message #336785] |
Wed, 25 June 2008 00:48 |
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If everybody is allowed to carry a gun you should expect that also idiots carry guns. And also use them.
in germany police officers practically never die on duty... yes there are some incidents but most of them are pretty old. If you see someone in germany carrying a gun he has a) a uniform or b) is usuallly a criminal.
In USA a person with a gun is a standart US citizen.
See the problem?
If every idiot can buy his shotgun ,assaultrilfe and things in a supermarket you should be aware that the idiot did so.
Oh and stop me with the self-defence argument.
you don't run around killing everybody who you didn't like.
Some people do. And the sad thing about guns, usually the first person who draws a gun win. And trust me usually it's a gangster.
Thanks.
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| Re: We need to crack down on criminals as much as possible now a days! [message #337386 is a reply to message #336785] |
Wed, 25 June 2008 05:51 |
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*ahem*
There has never been an instance of a police officer being shot by someone with a CCW. The amount of people that get their licenses revoked is about 4 out of every 10,000. The number of people that get theirs taken away from FELONIES is even smaller. The number of people having their licenses revoked because of murder or attempted murder? Yup, even smaller.
There was a huge concern about people turning fenderbenders into shootouts. That... simply hasn't happened, and a majority of states in America have concealed carry laws.
You're a COMPLETE fucktard if you don't believe that guns help in self-defense AT ALL. All you have to do is get on YouTube and find several instances where stores (gas stations, jewelry stores, etc...) are being robbed, and the would-be thieves are scared off by a gun.
You think the police force is going to do a good enough job to respond in time to save someone from their house being invaded? Are you sure? Perhaps you're right. Perhaps the government is fast enough. I mean, a deranged man out to hurt someone couldn't possibly get into the house and find a person locked in a room before the cops got there, could they? Nah, it must mean that the following link is fake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkS8mdbml0A
Plus, it's not even always about who has the quick draw. If you take away or further restrict guns, criminals know that their odds are better. No criminal wants to go up against someone with a gun. The more people with guns, the higher chance of running into a citizen with one, and bad news for the criminal.
Not only that, but criminals aren't always looking to kill. They just want to rob, rape, or assault someone. Even if they're assholes, they're not always sociopaths. In that scuffle, if someone draws a gun on them, the fight is tipped in the favor of the would-be victim, because the criminal then has to respond to the gun being drawn.
I will agree that if someone wants to murder someone else on the streets, there's not much a gun could do, but even in Detroit it's not always about murder. If it were, I doubt we'd have much of a population increase.
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