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Judge Orders TorrentSpy to Pay MPAA $110,000,000 in Damages
Los Angeles - TorrentSpy, a BitTorrent tracker site that lost a copyright infringement suit filed by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) last year, has been ordered by a federal judge to pay a massive $110,000,000 in damages. "This substantial money judgment sends a strong message about the illegality of these sites," said Dan Glickman, chairman and CEO of the MPAA. "The demise of TorrentSpy is a clear victory for the studios and demonstrates that such pirate sites will not be allowed to continue to operate without facing relentless litigation by copyright holders."
U.S. District Court Judge Florence-Marie Cooper also issued a permanent injunction against any future copyright infringement by Valence Media, the company behind TorrentSpy.
TorrentSpy had already shut down permanently on March 24, with a note on its website referring to "the legal climate in the USA," and a desire to provide privacy protection for its users.
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110 Billion $ [message #329582 is a reply to message #329556] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 07:13  |
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These lawsuits do make sense, though. I mean, even if you're not the one committing the crime, allowing someone to commit a crime on your property would make you an accessory, at least, if not a willing participant depending on all that you do.
Torrent sites DO allow its users to infringe on copyrights with their trackers. Sure, they stick a TOS on the site to say that any uploaded copyright content is against site policy, but unless you actively enforce it (to a reasonable extent), then you should be held, at least, partially responsible. Obviously, I don't think you should be punished if you are unaware of illegal activity going on concerning your property, but I'm sure we can all agree, without reasonable doubt, that the torrent sites are well aware of copyright infringement. With that being pretty much indisputable, they should be held accountable, but not for such ridiculous amounts as the $110 million.
However, what I just said is pretty much a moot point, as countries don't actually hold jurisdiction over the Internet, even if the US government thinks it does. In net neutrality, it's tough luck for the governments and companies because the Internet isn't anything physical. It's not even on the same level as international waters. I'm not defending the illegal activity (although, condemning it would make me a hypocrite, so I won't do that, either), but I am fully defending the right to net neutrality that should be recognized and respected by all nations.
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110 Billion $ [message #329611 is a reply to message #329556] |
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No. Again, handing someone a gun (referencing the other thread) doesn't automatically call for a gun crime. The transfer of the software/gun/etc... isn't illegal. Yes, the RIAA and MPAA want to make it illegal, but that's just fucking stupid. If someone already owns the copyrighted material and is just downloading an extra copy (as I've found that downloading DVDs is faster than ripping them myself), then that's not illegal. Again, the MPAA and RIAA want to say that it is, but that's just them being blowhards. However, in the case of TorrentSpy, the majority of users didn't do this, and we know damn well that's true.
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110 Billion $ [message #329647 is a reply to message #329638] |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 22:28 |
110 Million or 110 Billion?
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The one with 6 zero's. I think Americans and English have a different word for it? Or not?
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110 Billion $ [message #329708 is a reply to message #329556] |
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That's because i wrote the title myself, then copy-pasted the article and forgot to change Million in the article with billion. But now I'm confused.
I'll edit the title and article now though...
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110,000,000 $ [message #329719 is a reply to message #329556] |
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I think the terms "million" and "billion" are all agreed upon over any country.
10^6 = 1,000,000 = 1 million
10^9 = 1,000,000,000 = 1 billion
10^12 = 1,000,000,000,000 = 1 trillion
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110 Billion $ [message #329747 is a reply to message #329582] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 09:12 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 10:13 |
These lawsuits do make sense, though. I mean, even if you're not the one committing the crime, allowing someone to commit a crime on your property would make you an accessory, at least, if not a willing participant depending on all that you do.
Torrent sites DO allow its users to infringe on copyrights with their trackers. Sure, they stick a TOS on the site to say that any uploaded copyright content is against site policy, but unless you actively enforce it (to a reasonable extent), then you should be held, at least, partially responsible. Obviously, I don't think you should be punished if you are unaware of illegal activity going on concerning your property, but I'm sure we can all agree, without reasonable doubt, that the torrent sites are well aware of copyright infringement. With that being pretty much indisputable, they should be held accountable, but not for such ridiculous amounts as the $110 million.
However, what I just said is pretty much a moot point, as countries don't actually hold jurisdiction over the Internet, even if the US government thinks it does. In net neutrality, it's tough luck for the governments and companies because the Internet isn't anything physical. It's not even on the same level as international waters. I'm not defending the illegal activity (although, condemning it would make me a hypocrite, so I won't do that, either), but I am fully defending the right to net neutrality that should be recognized and respected by all nations.
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Then why didn't they sue Google too then?
EDIT: Which idiot would host a torrent site in Amerikkka.
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| Re: Torrentspy convicted to pay 110 Billion $ [message #329800 is a reply to message #329747] |
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| Ma1kel wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 11:12 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 10:13 |
These lawsuits do make sense, though. I mean, even if you're not the one committing the crime, allowing someone to commit a crime on your property would make you an accessory, at least, if not a willing participant depending on all that you do.
Torrent sites DO allow its users to infringe on copyrights with their trackers. Sure, they stick a TOS on the site to say that any uploaded copyright content is against site policy, but unless you actively enforce it (to a reasonable extent), then you should be held, at least, partially responsible. Obviously, I don't think you should be punished if you are unaware of illegal activity going on concerning your property, but I'm sure we can all agree, without reasonable doubt, that the torrent sites are well aware of copyright infringement. With that being pretty much indisputable, they should be held accountable, but not for such ridiculous amounts as the $110 million.
However, what I just said is pretty much a moot point, as countries don't actually hold jurisdiction over the Internet, even if the US government thinks it does. In net neutrality, it's tough luck for the governments and companies because the Internet isn't anything physical. It's not even on the same level as international waters. I'm not defending the illegal activity (although, condemning it would make me a hypocrite, so I won't do that, either), but I am fully defending the right to net neutrality that should be recognized and respected by all nations.
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Then why didn't they sue Google too then?
EDIT: Which idiot would host a torrent site in Amerikkka.
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Google is a search engine... the links on it has nothing to do with google.
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