| Firsts [message #329346] |
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I'm looking forward to the time when society can finally advance because we have run out of "firsts". What are these firsts that I speak of? There are hundreds of them, here are just a couple that have been accomplished:
* First free slaves "allowed" to own land
* First black person "allowed" to vote
* First woman "allowed" to vote
Here are a couple that have not:
* First black man elected president
* First woman elected president
Like I said there are many more. I think that as long as there are still things like this that have not been done and accepted, we will never evolve beyond the barbaric and narrow-minded race that we are. Think of how nice it will be, to have an election, where you simply debate the best person for the job, and the amount of pigmentation in their skin, nor their chromosomes are not even considered as a factor.
P.S. Yes I know that Obama is only "half black". It's sad that I had to make this statement just because I know that someone wants to nitpick what I said instead of actually thinking about it. 
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| Re: Firsts [message #329404 is a reply to message #329346] |
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I split my post out of the other thread since it is really a topic of it's own. For those that would argue that we are advancing as a civilization and a society, I offer this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354327,00.html
So there you have it. A teacher does a simple "magic trick", not much more complex than the "I've got your nose" trick that people do to little kids, and he gets accused of witchcraft and fired! What-the-fuck??? How can anyone think we are advancing as a society when we are still all but burning people at the stake for being witches, just like in the dark ages? LOL
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| Re: Firsts [message #329431 is a reply to message #329346] |
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| Blazer wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 21:47 |
I'm looking forward to the time when society can finally advance because we have run out of "firsts". What are these firsts that I speak of? There are hundreds of them, here are just a couple that have been accomplished:
* First free slaves "allowed" to own land
* First black person "allowed" to vote
* First woman "allowed" to vote
Here are a couple that have not:
* First black man elected president
* First woman elected president
Like I said there are many more. I think that as long as there are still things like this that have not been done and accepted, we will never evolve beyond the barbaric and narrow-minded race that we are. Think of how nice it will be, to have an election, where you simply debate the best person for the job, and the amount of pigmentation in their skin, nor their chromosomes are not even considered as a factor.
P.S. Yes I know that Obama is only "half black". It's sad that I had to make this statement just because I know that someone wants to nitpick what I said instead of actually thinking about it.
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the irony is that Obama's race and Hillary's gender never occurred to me, whereas they're very much in your criteria...
moot point since they won't count votes from a brit, although I have a funny feeling McCain's presidency won't be as a result of counting votes from Americans either
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| Re: Firsts [message #329455 is a reply to message #329438] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 12:47 |
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It'd be ignorant if you vote for a president only because of his or her color or gender.
I don't think we need a "first black president" or "first woman president" to be equal. The fact that blacks and women can be nominated is good enough on its own.
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| Re: Firsts [message #329525 is a reply to message #329346] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 18:15 |
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I think it'd be more in America's interest to allow non native-born Americans to become president.
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| Re: Firsts [message #329526 is a reply to message #329438] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 18:16 |
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| Surth wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 11:16 |
Also, have you ever thought about watching beyond your own nose? Because it really makes me a bit sad that you talk about "society" when you really mean "USA".
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I was talking about the WORLD in general. It sounds like you are the one not looking past your nose, since apparently you think that everything is perfect in Germany?
Being a citizen of the USA, I will be the first to acknowledge that there is some pretty fucked up shit in this country. Some countries do some things better, but there are also some that do a lot worse (try living in some of the places that literally stone you to death or cut off limbs for not following the rules).
As a *global* society, the humans of planet earth have a lot of growing to do before we could be considered to be "advanced". I honestly think that if an intelligent alien race were to study us, they would decide to come back in a few hundred years in hopes that we have evolved (socially, intellectually).
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| Re: Firsts [message #329535 is a reply to message #329528] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 18:53 |
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| Blazer wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 02:18 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 18:15 |
I think it'd be more in America's interest to allow non native-born Americans to become president.
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Hey we let Schwartzenegger be a Govenor...LOL.
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Talking of him he's in some advert on UK television for a California holiday thing.
I lol'd when I saw him.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: Firsts [message #329581 is a reply to message #329526] |
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| Blazer wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 20:16 |
I was talking about the WORLD in general. It sounds like you are the one not looking past your nose, since apparently you think that everything is perfect in Germany?
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the world in general?
both Surth's country and mine have elected female heads of state (we're counting the Prime Minister as the head of state here, not the King/Queen, before anyone argues). and Thatcher, while she had plenty of faults, was better imho than Major, Blair and definitely Brown.
(although since Brown was never elected PM, it's perhaps a moot point to say that)
| Blazer wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 20:16 |
It's not criteria, it was just a list of things that have not happened. While you may not have noticed/considered/cared that Obama is "black", the media and most people say, or have heard someone else say, that his hypothetical presidency would be "the first black president".
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and like I said, I'm still waiting for the first atheist president. then maybe you truly can move forward
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| Re: Firsts [message #329604 is a reply to message #329346] |
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I don't think faith is really that big of an issue in American politics. Disregarding the stupid accusations of Obama being a Muslim, faith doesn't come up a lot. It's just that in America you have a large majority of people claiming to be Christian. Even if they're not practicing, they seem to label themselves with a faith. It's hard to elect someone who doesn't claim to a Christian denomination to run for an office. I'm not denying that there would be a backlash towards someone openly claiming to be an atheist, but you have to blame the candidates, as well.
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| Re: Firsts [message #329613 is a reply to message #329604] |
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| Blazer wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 16:46 |
I split my post out of the other thread since it is really a topic of it's own. For those that would argue that we are advancing as a civilization and a society, I offer this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354327,00.html
So there you have it. A teacher does a simple "magic trick", not much more complex than the "I've got your nose" trick that people do to little kids, and he gets accused of witchcraft and fired! What-the-fuck??? How can anyone think we are advancing as a society when we are still all but burning people at the stake for being witches, just like in the dark ages? LOL
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These things happen mainly due to the actions of the few people who have the power to influence in that particular situation.
And frankly I am not surprised at all. I hear about this everyday.
I am pretty sure the Board of teachers were made up of anti-magic Christian pukes who had nothing better to do than showcase their primordial beliefs by destroying the career of someone who is not in-line with their beliefs.
The thing is though, this happens both ways. If Atheists/Agnostics are in power, then they would use their power to influence events as well.
Consider the case where a student was suspended 2 days from school because he drew an artwork depicting the fucking Bible verse John 3:16. You can watch that here:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Huhds5EQoFk&feature=relate
But that stupid kid deserved it and it was justified because that fucking verse pretty much indirectly tells everyone to "accept Jesus or perish in hell." That's the last thing I need to worry about in this world. And it is offensive.
So you see, if goes both ways. It all comes down to survival of the fittest. People from all beliefs are finding out the hard way that if you shut up, then you are asking to be kicked. That's why we hear about these incidents each day.
The question we must ask is which of these ideals is beneficial to the further development of mankind.
As for the whole theme of the topic, my views are not that different than Spoony's. Any half-brained creature can tell you that a few elitist fags are the ones running America at the cost of everyone else. I laugh at the patriots who STILL claim that the American government is "by the people, for the people." That era no longer exists.
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 13:27 |
I'm not denying that there would be a backlash towards someone openly claiming to be an atheist, but you have to blame the candidates, as well.
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For what may I ask? For being Atheist? For being "evil"? For being "Anti-Christ"? For not representing the masses of narrow-minded religious freaks who don't see the fact that a bold, neutral, Atheist leader with an initiative would be more than capable of governing a divided population?
There will be a huge backlash by these religious bigots and the "rapture fanatics" will all claim that a hypothetical Atheist candidate is the Anti-Christ. Bible thumpers will go about the land spreading the "end times" fear into the population through the media just as they did when Israel undertook a combined-arms military assault against the Hezbollah in the summer of 2006.
Heck, EVEN Obama was accused of being the Anti-Christ in early 2007 when he announced his presidential campaign.
More than 200 years of Christian faith and the "love of Jesus" has not covered the evils of racism in America. And both of the races-in-question (whose main religion is Christianity) has to be blamed...Christians! Good job! 
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