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Dave Anderson
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I am in the JROTC program at Pueblo West High School. For those of you who do not know what the JROTC is, it is the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps. It is a military organization, not a branch of the military. Look it up if you're curious what its all about. Anyhoot, the term 'cadet' refers to a student enrolled in the JROTC. Every Saturday my friends and I have a tradition of exploring the 10,000 acres of land at our reservoir/park area. Of course we do this in BDU's (Battle Dress Uniform, the camouflage if you don't know still) and our combat gear (not issued to us, bought on our own). Afterwards we went to our local Walmart to look around and whatnot and a Marine came storming over to us. Immediately he told me to take my head gear off (you're not supposed to have it on indoors and I forgot I had it on) in quite a rude manner. He pulled out his wallet to show me his military id, told us he was Corporal blah blah. He then started interrogating me on what school I am from. I told him and he asked if my superior, retired Chief Warrant Officer (CW3) was still there and I told him yes, he is. He then told me how he was going to report me to my superior and how I will be hearing from him come Monday. What really pissed me off was he said this: "You are disrespecting a uniform that you haven't really earned yet." WHAT THE FUCK. Ok, so first this guy comes up to me in a rude ass manner, starts throwing interrogation questions at me and acting like some bad-ass cop from the movies, but now he is saying I haven't earned my uniform? I dedicated FOUR YEARS of my life to the JROTC and worked my ass of to achieve what I have. The entire time I took the situation quite calmly and said ok and took my headgear off, he went away shortly after, but I thought about it. What if I was in my Class A uniform (the dress green uniform with all my awards/medals et cetera). He's going to tell me I didn't earn it? If he wasn't a Marine, and there wasn't people around he would have had my fist in his face.
It just bugs me how much disrespect cadets receive from soldiers. Most soldiers I've met have a good amount of respect for cadets, but there's also the bunch like this Marine who are just utter pricks. Not every cadet is like me, a hard ass who doesn't give a shit, or take crap from others. Cadets, a lot of freshmen mostly, are very sensitive. Coming out of middle school, or still going through high school they don't know leadership, or adult life yet. Most cadets would have broken down, possibly cried and have that horrible moment in memory forever.
So, what the fuck is with the disrespect from our soldiers man? I would like to talk to him again so I can point out how much he would feel like shit if someone told him he hasn't earned his uniform yet. I would also like to find out who his commanding officer is so I can have a little chat about disrespect.
Its very sad that cadets in high school have more respect and good behavior, leadership, etc than some of our actual soldiers.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328874 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 17:20  |
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You can't really judge him until you experience what he has. He can't do the same thing to you either.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328875 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 17:37 |
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Dave Anderson
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Cadets are not soldiers, we are not in the military, however, we are issued the same uniforms (not all of them though). If my Warrant Officer were there, that wouldn't have happened. What he did was outright disrespectful, a simple: "Remember not to wear your headgear indoors" or "Take your headgear off" would have sufficed. His tone was rude, he was rude, and he had no right to act the way he does towards a cadet. Any high ranking soldier would tell you the same thing. He may have served in Iraq, cudos for that, but you don't go around treating cadets like shit. Its understandable that a soldier has been taught strict regulations about the military uniform, but what is not understandable is how he treated the situation. It shows an extreme lack of leadership, and respect.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328877 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 18:26 |
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Dave Anderson
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I suspect that he didn't think he was being rude either. Everyone I've ever met from the Marine Core seems to have a more strict set of guidelines and/or principles. He just isn't supposed to treat a cadet like a soldier, that's all.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328878 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 18:26 |
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Wow, man, that's unexpected, but that sucks. You really wouldn't expect that kind of disrespect and mistreatment from someone in the armed forces.
There's no way to really know the whole situation, IE as stated earlier he might have some PTSD or something after fighting, but who knows. Still, that's not cool at all.
I was thinking about joining JROTC when I go into high school next year, actually, but I dunno. The main point that's been making me reconsider is the RGRGHGETAHAIRCUT :[
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328891 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 19:31 |
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I've been in the college Army ROTC program for the last two years, the best way to avoid the situation is to wear your gear correctly. Now if I were him I wouldn't have told you in that way, in fact I wouldn't have told you anything at all unless you were doing something truly inappropriate. I think it is fairly easy to notice JROTC cadets, but sometimes it can be hard. From what you describe in your situation, the course of action the Corporal took was retarded at best and could have simply been ignored.
But yeah, Blazer is right, he has no power of command over you since you are most likely not contracted to the army and are in a completely different unit.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328893 is a reply to message #328891] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 19:45 |
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He sure could have said it better to you but I can guess that he has served in a combat zone and/or seen friendly deaths and/or may have successfully engaged hostiles (you know what I mean).
So his rant, no matter how rude it may have been, seems to be justified in the fact that you did break a rule and he did correct you on that even if he is not a superior officer.
Soldiers change and do all kinds of things. This emotional rant at you may have been one of the least serious thing on the scale.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328898 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 20:40 |
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Dave Anderson
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I was thinking about joining JROTC when I go into high school next year, actually, but I dunno. The main point that's been making me reconsider is the RGRGHGETAHAIRCUT :[
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The JROTC changed my life. When I came to high school I was an F student who hated school, leaned towards drugs, and bad people. Throughout my freshmen to junior years I still got piss poor grades, but the JROTC was something took like forward to. The JROTC is soley responsible for me staying in high school, and what do you know, in two weeks I will be receiving my high school diploma and heading off to work. Oh, and the work experience. The leadership I've gained is impeccable. Had my first job interview a few months ago over the phone and was able to relate every single question I was asked to the JROTC. Not every JROTC program is going to be the best, but just take into consideration the good it can do for you.
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So his rant, no matter how rude it may have been, seems to be justified in the fact that you did break a rule and he did correct you on that even if he is not a superior officer.
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Cadets aren't exactly told all the rules, ins-and-outs per se of the military regulations, that's why its not cool to just go off on a cadet. The JROTC program is run by the cadets themselves (freshmen through seniors) with the instructors (retired military peeps) supervising and teaching us other stuff. If you don't learn it from your company commander, you probably won't learn it at all. Me though being a LET4 (fourth year cadet) I do know better, but even then I'm not professionally trained so thinking about my headgear isn't exactly a top priority. Especially when its a barret that you can't tell is on or off your head after a few minutes of wear. A good example of regulations is headgear. They'll tell you we must wear it outside, but won't tell you you're not supposed to wear it inside until you do and they tell you not to. Especially with the many different types of headgear, its hard to differentiate what you can, or cannot wear in or outdoors.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328947 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 10:12 |
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While that IS a tad disrespectful, since you're not a high-ranking officer, and since your warrent officer wasn't around to tell you otherwise, I suppose he DID have the authority to tell you what you were doing is wrong.
Stuff's supposed to be tough anyways. Best advice I can give is to just suck it up.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328949 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 10:36 |
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The guy just sounds like a douchebag. Hell, he's probably pulled out his little card 20 times that day, just to either show off to others, or demand better service or some shit.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328951 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 10:41 |
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You broke military regs, so paid the price, don't see the problem to be honest.
I can understand your ego is hurt through, but you are in the military now, take it as a soldier and move on.
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I'm not in the military. I'm not a soldier. I'm a civilian in a military organization. There is a HUGE difference. My ego? Please. I'm not hurt because he told me to take my headgear off. I'm pissed off because what is supposed to be an outstanding citizen and respectful soldier disrespected another person in a public place. I've known many people that are in the military my entire life. Hell, I've known a Lt. Colonel before he passed away. None of these people would have ever acted in that manner, ever.
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While that IS a tad disrespectful, since you're not a high-ranking officer, and since your warrent officer wasn't around to tell you otherwise, I suppose he DID have the authority to tell you what you were doing is wrong.
Stuff's supposed to be tough anyways. Best advice I can give is to just suck it up.
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He should be able to tell a cadet to take their headgear off if they have it on indoors. That's not a problem. It is a problem when they act like a jerk-off to a cadet in public when they really have no official authority over a cadet.
Suck it up? Of course I did, what am I supposed to do? I'm not going to get butt-hurt and cry about it, but I am going to get pissed off. Not every cadet is like me. Most cadets are young, and sensitive to that kind of criticism (if that's the correct word). If it had been another cadet, they might have broken down and cried, an been extremely upset by the issue. If that were to happen to another cadet, and they did breakdown and cry, you might see some phone calls being made by our instructors. Especially when you tell a cadet who's been in the program for four years that they haven't earned their uniform, that would raise some tempers or flare some emotions.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #328977 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46 |
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When you join the actual military, be prepared to be treated worse than you were treated by that marine, at least until you become a full-fledged soldier.
Personally, I think he was a huge dick in how he acted. Maybe he has a chip on his shoulder from his training or experiences. I don't know much about the Marine Corps. But I do know that it's one hell of a strict organization.
Ironically, the US Special Forces ("Green Berets") are much more highly trained, yet conduct and whatnot within the organization is a lot more lax.
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Sun, 04 May 2008 14:47 |
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| Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 04 May 2008 12:41 |
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You broke military regs, so paid the price, don't see the problem to be honest.
I can understand your ego is hurt through, but you are in the military now, take it as a soldier and move on.
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I'm not in the military. I'm not a soldier. I'm a civilian in a military organization. There is a HUGE difference. My ego? Please. I'm not hurt because he told me to take my headgear off. I'm pissed off because what is supposed to be an outstanding citizen and respectful soldier disrespected another person in a public place. I've known many people that are in the military my entire life. Hell, I've known a Lt. Colonel before he passed away. None of these people would have ever acted in that manner, ever.
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While that IS a tad disrespectful, since you're not a high-ranking officer, and since your warrent officer wasn't around to tell you otherwise, I suppose he DID have the authority to tell you what you were doing is wrong.
Stuff's supposed to be tough anyways. Best advice I can give is to just suck it up.
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He should be able to tell a cadet to take their headgear off if they have it on indoors. That's not a problem. It is a problem when they act like a jerk-off to a cadet in public when they really have no official authority over a cadet.
Suck it up? Of course I did, what am I supposed to do? I'm not going to get butt-hurt and cry about it, but I am going to get pissed off. Not every cadet is like me. Most cadets are young, and sensitive to that kind of criticism (if that's the correct word). If it had been another cadet, they might have broken down and cried, an been extremely upset by the issue. If that were to happen to another cadet, and they did breakdown and cry, you might see some phone calls being made by our instructors. Especially when you tell a cadet who's been in the program for four years that they haven't earned their uniform, that would raise some tempers or flare some emotions.
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Doesn't matter if you are officialy military or not.
You are in a military pro group, you do everything they do and must fall under the same rules and regs as they do, through not every rule and reg will be suited for you. 
Over in the UK, we have the Army Cadet Force, pretty much the same setup as yours, but even through it's full of kids, we do everything the Army does but kid style, we are meant to behave as soldiers or aleast try to follow the same setup.
I was with the Cadets for over 6 years.
One last thing, am not trying to defend this marine, just saying, since you pretty much acting military, you gotta expect to be given alot of shit.
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Sun, 04 May 2008 20:47 |
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Alot of Soldier's don't respect cadets since you guys walk into an officer position if you stick with it. You end up a leader of more experienced Soldiers and end up getting you or your team killed. I had a friend that was in Iraq who saw an entire squad get mowed down becuase an officer, fresh out of the academy, told his team to walk into a house that everyone knew was a waiting ambush. The officer ended up dead and two of his squad ended up serverly wounded. Until you have experienced what they have you are nothing to them, just another puke playing soldier.
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| Re: Soldiers disrespect towards cadets. [message #329005 is a reply to message #328872] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 20:52 |
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The ROTC you are thinking of is college ROTC which is basically used to commission officers like you said. I'm in the JROTC, which is a high school program. Even with what you said though, I see your point. I know people who want to be officers, but they entered the military as an E-3 or lower. Not only do they have to work harder at it, but they will have seen combat before any of the commissioned officers coming out of the ROTC program. That's a downside to the ROTC program I think, because they don't have any combat experience before picking their route in the military; whether be they choose to have their own company, or do something else.
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Sun, 04 May 2008 21:05 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Sun, 04 May 2008 10:12 |
While that IS a tad disrespectful, since you're not a high-ranking officer, and since your warrent officer wasn't around to tell you otherwise, I suppose he DID have the authority to tell you what you were doing is wrong.
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That's bullshit. He is not in the marines, or even in the "military" itself. So that power-trip fuckhole had no right to go and yell at a bunch of "kids" in a store.
If what you say is true, then a marine can go and yell at someone in the air force, the national guard...what's next...a marine seargant yelling at a police officer because his shoes aren't shined?
If he was a marine cadet, it was totally appropriate, but he is not, so what that guy did was extreme bullshit IMO.
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