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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344409,00.html
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"Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet,"
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"You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC. "Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.
"As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters," Choudary said. "I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim."
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #324869 is a reply to message #324866] |
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And these fanatics that kill IN THE NAME OF god are the ones that are making the rest of the Muslim religion look bad. Seriously, I know many a muslim person, and learnt their beliefs as I went searching for my religion, and I can tell you quite clearly that there is NOTHING of hatred like this in their Qur'an.
And by I mean they kill in the name of god, I mean that I can go out on the street and kill in the name of BlazerOx if I wanted to. Doesn't matter if he wants me to or not, I'm still killing in his name.
Again, just because one group of fricked up zealots are interviewed, don't believe that to be the stereotype of the entire religion, for IT IS NOT.
EDIT: Also, FOX media is told to cover all the fanatics, and zealots, and crazy fools, to make ALL muslims look bad. Now really, why should you trust the media that is run by the government?
Control the media, control the mind. Think about that.
Heresy grows from idleness!
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #324938 is a reply to message #324866] |
Wed, 02 April 2008 11:40 |
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Fox news seems more of just right wing bias, not neccisarily Christian bias.
Though I guess, EVERY media source is biased in some way. Even little Jimmy that says the world's gonna end. That biased bastard, he didn't even consider Mars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #324958 is a reply to message #324866] |
Wed, 02 April 2008 14:29 |
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That's not scary at all.
I've heard way more hate-filled, and emotionally charged words originate from the mouths of Xbox fanboys, PS3 nerds, and Wiitards.
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #324994 is a reply to message #324991] |
Wed, 02 April 2008 19:00 |
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| Blazer wrote on Wed, 02 April 2008 18:43 |
Gaming fanboy trolls are nothing compared to religious zealots. Whens the last time you heard of a gamer performing a suicide bombing?
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Never.
But I think people take these dirtbags much too seriously. Plenty of religions glorify martyrdom (suicide bombings, etc). These words are just coming from some idiot, and only reflect the views of a tiny minority.
I think it's [NE]Fobby[Gen] who's been hammering away at this, and he's right - most Muslims don't care what these "Jihadists" say.
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #325016 is a reply to message #324994] |
Thu, 03 April 2008 02:38 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 02 April 2008 19:00 |
But I think people take these dirtbags much too seriously. Plenty of religions glorify martyrdom (suicide bombings, etc). These words are just coming from some idiot, and only reflect the views of a tiny minority.
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You really think it is only a couple of crazies that have the "all infidels must die" mindset?
"Suicide bombers in Iraq have killed at least 13,000 men, women and children -- our most conservative estimate gives a total figure of 13,132 -- and wounded a minimum of 16,112 people. If we include the dead and wounded in the mass stampede at the Baghdad Tigris river bridge in the summer of 2005 -- caused by fear of suicide bombers -- the figures rise to 14,132 and 16,612 respectively. Again, it must be emphasized that these statistics are minimums. For 529 of the suicide bombings in Iraq, no figures for wounded are available. Where wounded have been listed in news reports as "several", we have made no addition to the figures. And the number of critically injured who later died remains unknown. Set against a possible death toll of half a million Iraqis since the March 2003 invasion, the suicide bombers' victims may appear insignificant; but the killers' ability to terrorize civilians, militiamen and Western troops and mercenaries is incalculable."
I'm sure now you will say "but they are just trying to get the US to leave their country". That doesn't change the fact that their religion gives them a nice loophole which allows them to be murderous bastards in exchange for going to heaven. Most people would be afraid of fighting or pissing off someone that has nothing to lose...what about an opponent that gets his #1 goal in life if he kills you and your friends?
Point being...that someone who gets to go to heaven if he kills you, should be taken a lot more seriously than spoiled little kiddie gamers spouting smacktalk.
Again, I'm not saying that all Muslims are of that mindset, or should be mistrusted by default. What I'm saying is that if a Muslim says "You have insulted Allah, prepare to die!", you should give that a lot more weight and concern than some snot-nosed punk on xbox live saying "omg faggot I'm gonna cut your balls off!".
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #325059 is a reply to message #324866] |
Thu, 03 April 2008 11:08 |
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The men and women performing suicide bombings in places like Iraq, and Palestine are doing them because:
a) Their life totally sucks. The children have absolutely nothing to aspire to, to be more than they are. It's a sense of hopelessness.
b) The families raise their children to become martyrs, because there is no opportunity for their children. It's also an offshoot of the lack of birth control in those areas.
c) The Muslims in the Middle East have been treated like shit by the Western Powers at the BEST of times. When we're not blowing up one of their states, we're being condescending towards them. They have begun to view the West as invaders, and they rightly should, because we are. The West have been the ones to create countries like Iraq, and Lebanon for colonial purposes, totally ignoring the ethnic makeup of those regions.
Therefore, they view their region, religion, and race as being threatened. When someone's back is up against the wall, against an enemy that is superior militarily and economically, they'll fight dirty, simply because it's for survival; and you get the suicide bombings. They know the mothers are going to keep pushing out new ones. But they still want some form of justification, ANY small form... and perverted religious fanatics give them that small justification.
When there's no hope, you'll want to hear anything, just anything; and radical preachers prey upon that.
Their religion doesn't have loopholes. For every violent phrase, there are about several that preach peace, and tolerance. The Bible is no different, and neither is the Torah. If they were all Catholics out there, they'd still be blowing themselves up, because there is an ENTIRE section in the Bible that could be interpreted as God saying it's OK to kill Jews, because they killed his son.
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The question / answer session is a satirical and fictional account based on Quranic verses and statements of Muslims who unfortunately take some hateful teachings of the Quran literally. Some readers have been mistaking it as a genuine conversation.
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2) It's essentially porn. Holy books are fucking steamy, and make a Harlequin look like Dr. Seuss. I find it pretty freakin' hilarious that a bunch of Islamic horn-dogs are actually going to demonstrations and saying they should carry off with sweet, white, Western 'booty' . I can't stop laughing!!! 
3) The gaming kiddie thing was a joke. But I'm still more afraid of gaming kiddies than I am of Muslims. Fewer things are scarier than some tiny Korean yelling at you, (and drenching you with saliva) about why PS3 is better than any other system in the world. 
4) I'm the one here who should be scared of this sort of stuff. I used to date an Iraqi girl from a Business Class. She was a sweetie. And I've still yet to be murdered in some honour killing.
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #325110 is a reply to message #325104] |
Thu, 03 April 2008 18:12 |
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What is all this pro-Muslim sympathy BULLSHIT in this thread?
| Karandras wrote on Wed, 02 April 2008 03:32 |
And these fanatics that kill IN THE NAME OF god are the ones that are making the rest of the Muslim religion look bad. Seriously, I know many a muslim person, and learnt their beliefs as I went searching for my religion, and I can tell you quite clearly that there is NOTHING of hatred like this in their Qur'an.
And by I mean they kill in the name of god, I mean that I can go out on the street and kill in the name of BlazerOx if I wanted to. Doesn't matter if he wants me to or not, I'm still killing in his name.
Again, just because one group of fricked up zealots are interviewed, don't believe that to be the stereotype of the entire religion, for IT IS NOT.
EDIT: Also, FOX media is told to cover all the fanatics, and zealots, and crazy fools, to make ALL muslims look bad. Now really, why should you trust the media that is run by the government?
Control the media, control the mind. Think about that.
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Hell with you sympathizer and appeaser. You can't even be a half-decent liar.
Frankly, let me break it to you: the old bullshit "stop sterotyping religion" is no longer a valid argument. In fact, that excuse is void since mid 2003 at least in regards to Islam.
Yet, you make such claims while COMPLETELY ignoring several crucial variables that may turn you crap-logic upside down.
1. It is not wrong but it is merely unfair to call all members of said religion as "extremist" without proper justification.
2. Locations, history, and population data must be taken into serious consideration before making bullshit statements like "just because one group of fricked up zealots are interviewed..." garbage.
Having said so, let me ask you this: were any of your Muslim friends living IN the Middle East? Guess not. Or were they living happy lives in Australia? Guess so.
Let me tell you something: I have lived in a certain Middle East nation for seven years that is well-known for it's oppression of "infidel" religions. Seven years is plenty of first-hand experience and interaction with a volatile religion and it's believers none of the FUCKING media outlets could ever cover in a thousand years.
You see, I don't give a flying fuck about your Muslim friends living in prosperous 1st World nations just as I don't give a flying fuck about my Muslim friends who live here in the US. There is a massive educational and cultural divide that seperates the Muslims that live in prosperous countries and those living in backward nations which employ devious in-humane religious ploys to keep their citizens in a constant state of control.
This applies to anyone who claims Islam is a peaceful religion and that "most Muslims don't care" about what is currently going on in their native lands. Yes, they do care...all of them. And most of them are pretty pisst about it.
The simple truth is, you may have a friend here in the States or Europe or Australia, living and being your best friend and all that bullshit but you overlook an important thing: The majority of them are too busy enjoying the opportunities and dreams and hopes prosperous nations provide them with. Sure there are exceptions (the ungrateful immigrants who form shell copies of their previous societies in Western lands).
The lack of such opportunities in culturally-backward nations like those in the Middle East along with a seriously fucked up religious text to motivate the idle brain-washed masses creates the perfect formula for sprialling downward.
You seriously think it's only a couple of crazies? Very liberal shits like you are the ones who completely downplay the problem while the media on the other hand needs to do a lot of shit more to reach out with real news.
The unfortunate truth is that Jihad has permeated ALL levels of Muslim society today. Anyone carefully following the news (not from CNN, Fox, BBC crap) can realize that the wars in Afganistan and Iraq has created a dangerous perception in Islamic peoples that their society, culture, heritage, and most importantly their religion is under a full-fledged anti-Islamic attack from the West. And guess what? They are at a hightened awareness right now at the situation around them.
Muslim children, boys and girls, are being brainwashed by their parents and their local Mosque leaders with this concept of "macho Islam Jihad" in levels never before seen. Islamic media outlets are blazing out mind-control programs stating the global ambitions of Islam. Islam has a massive manpower advantage that will affect the war on terror. While idiots think all is fine, Islam already has 5 year olds ready to do Allah's bidding for the next 20-30 years.
And guess what? Terrorism will only grow. It has now become a local thing that every Muslim is giving more and more attention to. The distinction between Islamic terrorist and Islamic civilian is so razor thin in Middle East nations you have no idea just who the fuck any Islamic male could be. Defender? Resistance fighter? Allah's servant? "Concerned Muslim"? "The I don't give a shit" types? "I like Americans" types?
No matter who the person is, the fucking religion is providing a firm platform of unification. And it is becoming a cultural thing where pretty much anyone has the chance to participate.
The wars are providing a very nice opportunity for these murderes to kill for their Allah. And you don't have to be a suicide bomber or torturer to do Islam's dirty Jihad work. Just get a pail of water and hide out in the safehouse so when your brothers come home after killing Allah's enemies, you can quench their thirst after the battle.
The fatass Quran provides MANY instances to kill unbelievers. In fact there are 109 verses that specifically call for violence. And not just against non-Islamic "infidels" but also against other Muslims that that refuse to take a stand against the "enemy" whoever the hell that maybe.In NO WAY are there enough peaceful verses to balance out the hate.
In the Bible, the violent verses areways embedded within historical context i.e. within a story. In Islam, it is written distinctly seperately like the equivalent of the Ten Commandments. That is fucking far too dangerous and provides a huge chance to be taken literally...and this is exactly what the Muslims have done throughout their history.
Islam has a HISTORY OF VIOLENCE and bloodshed that appeasers will conveniently avoid to say. Muhammad was not like Jesus going to city after city healing people and talking the big talk. Muhammad sat on a camel with his sword and led men and destroyed villages, slaughtered the men, raped the women and gave them as gifts to his men, and too the children into captivity. This is a true account and I am not exaggerating anything. WHY DO THE FUCKING APPEASERS AND ISLAMIC SYMPATHIZERS OVERLOOK THIS CRUCIAL FACT? That bloody history continues today.
Muslims, driving by the Quran, tend to rely more on force rather than reason. There are centuries of history to back this up.
SO IN NO WAY IS THE WEST responsible for current Middle East problems (but definitely for poor management of the problem).
The root of the problem is their fucking religion that drives them. It all boils down to religion and THE FUCKING SHIT ROCK in Jerusalem.
And those who sympathize keep forgetting what started all this. Undeservingly, and without any provacation, the Muslims did this:
And nikki says the West is to blame? BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. You see, the false exaggerated concept of the colonization and territory-dividing is really not that bad compared to the centuries old inherited violence of Muslims.
And those who are still in doubt can get a book on the Cold War and start reading. Were all Russians during the Cold War bad? Hell no. Only their government, soldiers and many fanboy citizens. There were many Russians who would have rather lived in harmony with Westerners. But yet, any nuclear attack on any Russian city would have killed those same friendly Russians. But at such a global level of conflict with massive economic, military, political trends, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE AND IRRATIONAL to cut slack for neutrals and friendlies within the enemy ranks. It's not about any group but the survival of the human race as a whole. This is what should be understood with Islam though thank fuck the war is confined to a few Middle East nations only.
That's reality and it has been that way since the beginning of humanity. If you don't like it, then you can go to hell.
If you thought this post was too long, then GTFO of this subforum.
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #325207 is a reply to message #325192] |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 11:16 |
He just served your ass on a platter and that's all you can come up with.
Wow.
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Well, actually, his argument is terrible, and doesn't even refer to any real evidence whatsoever. But I figured that maybe he'll find out for himself that he's very, very wrong on so many levels.
The Western powers have a LOT to do with the animosity of the Middle Eastern peoples, be it through direct military intervention, or more covert operations, like the CIA-engineered toppling of Mohammad Mossaddeq who was democratically elected in parliament. There are plenty of other examples.
And the Muslim's don't have a history of violence. The Islamic empires' history is much less violent than that of other empires like that of the Roman Empire, or British Empire.
In fact, I'd have to say that there was no other empire that was as tolerant, and accepting of other religions, and peoples. The empire brought prosperity to the Middle East, Africa, and Spain. It was also home to massive libraries and literary depositories that are actually responsible for saving much of the Greek, and Roman philosophy we know of today.
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #325210 is a reply to message #325207] |
Fri, 04 April 2008 11:46 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 12:20 |
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 11:16 |
He just served your ass on a platter and that's all you can come up with.
Wow.
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Well, actually, his argument is terrible, and doesn't even refer to any real evidence whatsoever. But I figured that maybe he'll find out for himself that he's very, very wrong on so many levels.
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Of course, my argument was so terrible you just quoted one small sentence and replied with a "Um... Ok..." 
It's not my fault if I tell you something that you have made up your mind to not accept. I feel no need to make things up nor do I have any hidden agenda to further.
Simply saying "no real evidence" is irrational. I speak what I have learned through reading history and what I have seen and experienced.
On the other hand, your irrational support of Islam based on faulty logic and emotions concerns me the most.
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 12:20 |
The Western powers have a LOT to do with the animosity of the Middle Eastern peoples, be it through direct military intervention, or more covert operations, like the CIA-engineered toppling of Mohammad Mossaddeq who was democratically elected in parliament. There are plenty of other examples.
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I already referred to these incidents and specifically gave the blame to Western powers when I said this:
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SO IN NO WAY IS THE WEST responsible for current Middle East problems (but definitely for poor management of the problem).
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Please note highlighted words.
And once again, you ignore Islamic history.
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And the Muslim's don't have a history of violence. The Islamic empires' history is much less violent than that of other empires like that of the Roman Empire, or British Empire.
In fact, I'd have to say that there was no other empire that was as tolerant, and accepting of other religions, and peoples. The empire brought prosperity to the Middle East, Africa, and Spain. It was also home to massive libraries and literary depositories that are actually responsible for saving much of the Greek, and Roman philosophy we know of today.
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Are you kidding me? Please...either you stay neutral and give an unbiased opinion based on credible history but please don't push any of your exceedingly irrational agenda.
If the Islamic empires you refer to were so intellectual and forward-thinking as you claim, why is the Middle East nations a symbol of backwardness today?
Every Western empire left behind a legacy you can see with your eyes today and at work. What is Islam's legacy? 1 violent book and 2 rocks of which 1 of them is the curse of the world. Go figure. 
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| Re: If you are not Muslim you should be raped and killed [message #325212 is a reply to message #325210] |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 12:46 |
If the Islamic empires you refer to were so intellectual and forward-thinking as you claim, why is the Middle East nations a symbol of backwardness today?
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So how would you argue for empires like the Mayan, or Inca's? Those empires were very advanced, and yet the territory their descendants inhabit now is generally made up of third world countries riddled with poverty and drug lords.
The Ottoman Empire, which was a product of the Islamic Caliphate, was a relatively strong empire, given its circumstances. Some of the reasons that empire failed is because of poor decision-making in government, confusion about Arab/Religious identity, and siding with the Germans in World War I. To their credit, the Ottoman's proved to be a tough enemy for the Allies, who thought they'd walk all over them. But in the end, the Ottoman's lost, and the territory was split up by the Western Powers.
The Western Powers were double dealing between different Arabs, and organizations, and in the end gave them the screw. Instead of allowing the Arabs a homeland of sorts, the area became a mess of states created only to serve the needs of the French and English. Lebanon, and Syria were split from each other, despite their ties. England took three pieces of territory comprissed of Sunni's and Shia's and Kurds, called it Iraq, and called it a day; but not before lopping off Kuwait, creating yet another border. I'd be pretty pissed off if someone promised me a territory for my people, only to find out I was being totally lied to. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal-Weizmann_Agreement)
The Islamic empire was not intolerant towards other religions. Instead, they believed that the Jews, and Catholics believed in the same God, so they rationalized that they were all one of the same. Christians, and Jews worked in the bureaucracy. In fact, Christians held some very high positions within the 'Divan' (Imperial Court), including the rank of Grand Vizier, which can essentially be likened to as a modern-day Prime Minister. Pretty much every other power had isolated the Jews, including the Romans, but the Islamic Caliphate was very liberal towards them.
| Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 04 April 2008 12:46 |
Every Western empire left behind a legacy you can see with your eyes today and at work. What is Islam's legacy? 1 violent book and 2 rocks of which 1 of them is the curse of the world. Go figure.
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Here's a sample. Eat your heart out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science
Edit: And you make reference to Muhammad sitting on his camel, and allowing his followers to rape, and plunder the city of Mecca. That hasn't exactly been proven, but I won't doubt it either.
And even if you think that was totally bad, I have a name for you.
'Constantine'
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that the quaran actually lets them get away with it. Osama bin laden hasn't helped much either.
