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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320419 is a reply to message #320410] |
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| u6795 wrote |
Spoony, I'd like to know what the fuck your definition of a 1v1 is.
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perfectly simple:
- one player on each side
- standard time limit (i.e. 30 minutes)
- 0 starting credits
- standard rules (i.e. no backwalking, no base to base, common sense stuff basically)
- no retarded modifications (stupid crates, that sort of thing) although the pointsfix would be good
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
And define what you mean by "good player."
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those players who are known for being good at 1v1... SS, poison, tunaman, clearshot, myself...
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
I'm telling you, each 1vs1 game I play all I do is avoid my opponent with a strong vehicle, attack his base, plant C4 on a building, use a tank to blow up another building, and possibly Ion if the credit amount is over 1000 at game start.
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starting with 1000 credits? that's not a proper 1v1.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
I do remember 1 game that I lost, but it wasn't a 1 vs 1, it was a 1 vs 2 (I was the 1). The game started out as a 1vs1, but we "agreed" not to fight until more people came.
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agreeing not to attack for a certain length of time? that's not a proper 1v1.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
After about 5 min the agreement was off and we started attacking each other... but being that it was on City Flying, me being on Nod, I couldn't destroy his base as easily as I would liked. (I refuse to use the Flame Tank). Anyway, the game went on, and I was winning, then someone joined on his team. Still the game went on and I still was winning... I even held back duel APC rushes. (These guys sucked something aweful). Now about 10 min into the game, my apache got stuck. I said in public chat that it got stuck, and he said he would come to destroy it. At that time my mom told me to go put the garbage out... and by the time I came back, no more than 30 seconds later, I was still in my apache and all but the Hand was destroyed.
I lost that game.
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I'm not at all surprised you lost... lemme make a list of the reasons
- you obviously didn't play the early game properly (agreeing not to attack?)
- you imposed ridiculous restrictions on yourself (choosing not to use a certain vehicle?)
- you got your apache stuck (that's just plain stupidity...) and acted like they had some sort of responsibility to free you
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
& @ star, please explain how "pistol skills" come into play. If you are playing a 1vs1, at least the kind you guys are describing, you at no point should have to use a pistol.
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wow, lol... of all the standard maps, I can only think of one map where you DON'T need good pistol skills in a 1v1.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
Like I said, and what Cabal said, a 1vs1 wont prove much in any areas that one might find "skillful."
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quick thinking? pistol skills? tank skills? flying skills if it's a flying map? knowing when to attack and when to defend? knowing how to capitalise on an advantage? knowing how to overcome a disadvantage?
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:49 |
If you want to prove skill in this teamwork-based game, the only good way to do that is to go up against a team alone!
1vs2, 1vs3, 1vs4....
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how about me vs you right now?
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320426 is a reply to message #320422] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 15:20 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:17 |
I was going to reply to the other quotes... but I really don't feel like going quote by quote.. so I will just let it be.
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How very unpredictable!
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:17 |
No, I will not 1vs1 you right now. As I said about 1vs1s don't prove anything...
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and I've proven why you're absolutely dead wrong...
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:17 |
and I don't have anything I want to prove. However, if you feel that you really must "prove" something
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ummm... no, not really
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:17 |
than go get another one of your friends and I will do a 1vs2.
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Are you insane?
If that is a serious challenge then I suppose I may as well accept, but wouldn't a 1v1 be a little fairer? 1v2 is just gonna be a steamroll.
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320427 is a reply to message #320408] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 15:24 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 15:46 |
you may as well say "winning a team game just proves you can win a team game".
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Winning in a team game in a game BUILT for a team game proves you're good at the game. That's like saying "I CAN PWN U IN WOW SO I BEET U IN HALO". They're completely different games with different styles of play. Saying you're better than someone because you can beat them in a specific scenario is just ignorant.
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What the fuck do you mean by "whatever your preferred wording"? If you are too thick to tell the difference between saying "1v1s don't prove anything" and "1v1s don't prove everything", just stop posting.
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I know the difference, but as I said, it doesn't matter because it doesn't prove everything, and also doesn't really prove anything outside of winning a 1v1 itself in a game made for teamplay. So, choose whichever meaning you wish it to be, it ends the same- a 1v1 in Renegade doesn't prove that you're "better" than someone.
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this is just nonsense...
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Explain to me how it's nonsense, please. I like to think that if I can beat someone in equal terms on a map MADE for infantry vs infantry, that I am better than them with infantry.
| Spoony |
it matters because it demonstrates you don't need to rely on your teammates, you have pistol/tank/flying skills, quick thinking, the ability to capitalise on an advantage or overturn a disadvantage... but since you've probably never beaten anyone decent in a 1v1, I don't expect you to know these things.
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I love how you have to try and assume I'm incapable of beating a decent person because I'm saying 1v1's don't prove anything. Way to pull shit out of your ass. Not saying I'm the greatest player ever, but I'm not the worst either.
Anyways, while there ARE maps that require you to think properly in 1v1's, MANY AOW maps have certain advantages that allow you to exploit, that you otherwise couldn't in an AOW. I'd give examples, but that's already been done, so I feel it's unnecisary to.
| Spoony |
So indeed, you've never played a proper 1v1 and as such, are completely unqualified to act like you have the faintest idea what you're talking about, as if that wasn't already obvious.
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I'd say I'm quite qualified as I've played Renegade for quite some time now, and play various game modes. I may not be the best, but if that were relevent, then there's only one person who can apperently say what's what, and that's whoever is "the best". So if that's true, everyone here is unqualified to say anything.
What makes me so unqualified, hm? The fact that I'm saying winning in a 1v1 doesn't matter? Especially where troop beat MWright? I'd really like to know, seeing as how you apperently know every aspect about me.
And also, I recall someone saying that just because a Patch can kill a Technician, doesn't make the Patch the best unit in the game because it can beat the otherwise very useful tech. It just means it can beat the Technician. I definetly agree with this statement.
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Then what about 1v1 in a RTS game say C&C Generals just for example? Isn't that a player vs player test of skill? A 1v1 in Renegade is just that! It eliminates teamwork to test the individual and places the burden on him alone.
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One more thing. This is another completely ignorant statement. They're DIFFERENT GAMES. If you can't comprehend that, get out. Just get out right now.
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320432 is a reply to message #320427] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 15:43 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
That's like saying "I CAN PWN U IN WOW SO I BEET U IN HALO". They're completely different games with different styles of play.
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Same units. Same objective. Same victory conditions. Same controls. Same engine. Same physics.
Fewer players doesn't make it an entirely different game.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
Saying you're better than someone because you can beat them in a specific scenario is just ignorant.
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Another straw-man argument.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
I know the difference, but as I said, it doesn't matter because it doesn't prove everything
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you're not making sense here, sorry. There's a colossal difference between these two statements:
A. "1v1s don't prove everything"
B. "1v1s don't prove anything"
statement A is true, I've never said otherwise.
statement B, however, is just plain false and a lot of people don't know that. I've already explained why.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
and also doesn't really prove anything outside of winning a 1v1 itself in a game made for teamplay.
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I've already proven you wrong about this. I can guarantee you that anyone who is an elite 1v1 player will do just fine in team games. I CAN'T guarantee you that anyone who's good at team games will do well in 1v1.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
So, choose whichever meaning you wish it to be, it ends the same- a 1v1 in Renegade doesn't prove that you're "better" than someone.
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Yet another straw-man argument.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
Explain to me how it's nonsense, please. I like to think that if I can beat someone in equal terms on a map MADE for infantry vs infantry, that I am better than them with infantry.
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and yet if I can beat someone in equal terms on a map made for AOW/CCM/whatever-you-wanna-call-it, I'm not better than them at AOW/CCM?
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
I love how you have to try and assume I'm incapable of beating a decent person because I'm saying 1v1's don't prove anything. Way to pull shit out of your ass. Not saying I'm the greatest player ever, but I'm not the worst either.
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Your utter lack of knowledge led me to believe that you HAVE NOT beaten anyone decent in 1v1. That's not saying you're incapable, it's saying you HAVEN'T DONE IT.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
Anyways, while there ARE maps that require you to think properly in 1v1's, MANY AOW maps have certain advantages that allow you to exploit, that you otherwise couldn't in an AOW. I'd give examples, but that's already been done, so I feel it's unnecisary to.
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You don't know what you're talking about.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
I'd say I'm quite qualified as I've played Renegade for quite some time now, and play various game modes. I may not be the best, but if that were relevent, then there's only one person who can apperently say what's what, and that's whoever is "the best". So if that's true, everyone here is unqualified to say anything.
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You think you're qualified to say whether 1v1s take skill. You are dead wrong. If you haven't played a lot of 1v1s against good players and you haven't beaten a lot of them, you ARE NOT QUALIFIED.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
What makes me so unqualified, hm? The fact that I'm saying winning in a 1v1 doesn't matter?
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Yes, because it proves you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:24 |
And also, I recall someone saying that just because a Patch can kill a Technician, doesn't make the Patch the best unit in the game because it can beat the otherwise very useful tech. It just means it can beat the Technician. I definetly agree with this statement.
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I'm the one who said it, but it's catastrophically flawed for you to use the truth of that statement to somehow prove 1v1s don't take skill.
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320433 is a reply to message #320426] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 15:53 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 17:20 |
If that is a serious challenge then I suppose I may as well accept, but wouldn't a 1v1 be a little fairer? 1v2 is just gonna be a steamroll.
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So?
BTW, since you want to, and since I am on the lesser team, can we follow my basic rules (as well as your own if you want)
No Canyon or Complex.
No Pedestal.
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320456 is a reply to message #320455] |
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he was on teamspeak.
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320457 is a reply to message #319662] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 17:56 |
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how were the 1v2's more fun? they didn't even last
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320471 is a reply to message #319662] |
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noooooo anime/ekt faggits pretending they know what they are doing pleas lmfaooo
If even half of you playing anyone half decent, and actually saw that you have no idea wtf your doing..you wouldnt be talking so much shit right now..
Instead you'd be like mwright, and the other kids I made famous on youtube, saying that im a known cheater L!OL.
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| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 21:57 |
noooooo anime/ekt faggits pretending they know what they are doing pleas lmfaooo
If even half of you playing anyone half decent, and actually saw that you have no idea wtf your doing..you wouldnt be talking so much shit right now..
Instead you'd be like mwright, and the other kids I made famous on youtube, saying that im a known cheater L!OL.
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Seriously, no one cares. I think people accuse you of cheating not because they think you cheat, but because they want you to go away.
I get accused of cheating all the time and I am willing to bet that more than half of the people on this forum who still play Renegade also get accused of cheating a lot. You simply don't see the rest of us making stupid pointless threads about it.
It makes you look like a conceded geek, tbh.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 22:22 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 20:57 |
noooooo anime/ekt faggits pretending they know what they are doing pleas lmfaooo
If even half of you playing anyone half decent, and actually saw that you have no idea wtf your doing..you wouldnt be talking so much shit right now..
Instead you'd be like mwright, and the other kids I made famous on youtube, saying that im a known cheater L!OL.
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Go away.
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Mwright is preeeeetty good! [message #320521 is a reply to message #320471] |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 20:57 |
noooooo anime/ekt faggits pretending they know what they are doing pleas lmfaooo
If even half of you playing anyone half decent, and actually saw that you have no idea wtf your doing..you wouldnt be talking so much shit right now..
Instead you'd be like mwright, and the other kids I made famous on youtube, saying that im a known cheater L!OL.
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Is that why you accused Spoony of "Stealth Hacks" when you were "revealed"?
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