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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 07:53 |
This doesn't explain why 500s are better at it than ramjets.
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Because their shots cant be seen, with is not saying 500's are better, but its an advantage.
But in all fairness to this debate, the ramjet does appear to have a lot more plus points which far outweigh the 500's.
Another element to this, a GROUP of jets can be devastating to light armour, taking down mrls or arties very quickly before they have a chance to retaliate.
As I originally said, 500's usefull for cunning stealthy sniping.
Ramjets more for hardcore, straight to the point purposes and overall is better (should be for 500 more).
Any1 who denies that is thinking more about the skill needed to wield a 500 rifle to compensate for its flaws in damage and reload times. But if you already have those skills and instead wield a ramjet, you can kick ass!
Thus making the Ramjet better overall.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320198 is a reply to message #319099] |
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What's with this "sneakiness" deal? If you're in field, and you're in an arty, and you don't see snipers any more clearer with a ramjet than a 500, you're probably terrible at being in a vehicle. There's only like 3 areas they'll ever be, depending on how far your team is on the field. If you're barraging the war factory with an art, chances are the only place a sniper will be hitting you will be in its own base, or on the waterfall. It takes .5 seconds to check the waterfall (Which, any good person checks regularly). If you're just coming out of your base, it's going to be the bunkers, waterfall, or other team's base entrance. The biggest difference between using a ramjet and not using a ramjet, is that if it's just an engineer in an arty/MRL, a ramjet can actually do enough damage that the person inside the vehicle could just hop out for a few seconds, repair, and try and kill you. With an engineer against a ramjet, you don't always have that luxary unless you can hide behind something. In general, unless a person repairing a vehicle is pretty dumb, they're not going to be standing still eating a bagel. They're going to move around, and even if a 500 sniper misses, it'll show up on their screen they're being fired at and they can just get inside the tank and look. There's really only ever going to be 2-3 spots EVER where a sniper is going to be. Blue streaks isn't really going to make all the more difference. Ramjets are a clear winner against pretty much anything they're good at killing - Infantry, light armoured vehicles. Though if all you're doing is sniping infantry in the tunnel, then you're probably better off money-wise to buy a 500 snipers. You gain the same amount of points/cash per kill and one shot to the head does it, or one more shot then the ramjet. If you've got all the money in the world, then ramjet's still better. Then again, you aren't being very useful, either.
Nobody ever really cares much about the damage a 500 sniper does against vehicles. It's only been said to nerf the ramjet damage - for good reason, i think, being able to kill light armoured vehicles in less than 2 reloads is a really quick way to get it down - faster than a raveshaw/PIC could do it. Oh, and at infinity range.
Anyways, Hi.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320314 is a reply to message #319099] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 06:35 |
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Obviously you can tell that even though I said ramjets are a winner, I still have a soft spot for 500's. One experience I had in the past...
Field map, 5 arty sieging WF, tanks getting destroyed, no chance for gdi. I bought deadeye, managed to sneak behind waterfall (suprisingliy without anyone noticing and no they were not checking), killed all techs in the space of a minute. Tanks now had a chance, a few minutes later, gdi took field. If I was using a jet in that instance, I would have been torn apart.
Moral of the story = 500 sneakiness at its best xD (with a bit of luck)
I tried this many times (not always succesffull). The hardest part is getting behind the waterfall without any1 noticing.
Sometimes good players do check but tbh 70% of the time its left unchecked
The critical point is that the waterfall trick is almost as old as the game, 6 years or sumat, because its so obvious, I have found that in more recent times, the community has forgotten about it (oh thats too obvious, no body would try that).
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320320 is a reply to message #320198] |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 21:33 |
What's with this "sneakiness" deal? If you're in field, and you're in an arty, and you don't see snipers any more clearer with a ramjet than a 500, you're probably terrible at being in a vehicle. There's only like 3 areas they'll ever be, depending on how far your team is on the field. If you're barraging the war factory with an art, chances are the only place a sniper will be hitting you will be in its own base, or on the waterfall. It takes .5 seconds to check the waterfall (Which, any good person checks regularly). If you're just coming out of your base, it's going to be the bunkers, waterfall, or other team's base entrance. The biggest difference between using a ramjet and not using a ramjet, is that if it's just an engineer in an arty/MRL, a ramjet can actually do enough damage that the person inside the vehicle could just hop out for a few seconds, repair, and try and kill you. With an engineer against a ramjet, you don't always have that luxary unless you can hide behind something. In general, unless a person repairing a vehicle is pretty dumb, they're not going to be standing still eating a bagel. They're going to move around, and even if a 500 sniper misses, it'll show up on their screen they're being fired at and they can just get inside the tank and look. There's really only ever going to be 2-3 spots EVER where a sniper is going to be. Blue streaks isn't really going to make all the more difference. Ramjets are a clear winner against pretty much anything they're good at killing - Infantry, light armoured vehicles. Though if all you're doing is sniping infantry in the tunnel, then you're probably better off money-wise to buy a 500 snipers. You gain the same amount of points/cash per kill and one shot to the head does it, or one more shot then the ramjet. If you've got all the money in the world, then ramjet's still better. Then again, you aren't being very useful, either.
Nobody ever really cares much about the damage a 500 sniper does against vehicles. It's only been said to nerf the ramjet damage - for good reason, i think, being able to kill light armoured vehicles in less than 2 reloads is a really quick way to get it down - faster than a raveshaw/PIC could do it. Oh, and at infinity range.
Anyways, Hi.
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You my good sir, are an idiot.
Lets see: Bushes on field with a 500 or a ramjet. Yeah, I'm going to see the freaking blue streak. Maybe you have super-man-vision, but I don't, and if some little sneaky dead eye or black hand sniper is hiding in ONE OF THE HUNDREDS of dark little corners of various maps, chances are that I'm not going to see him. Lets not forget, that in the heat of battle, when people are taking damage over and over, and their techs are being hurt constantly, they don't know WHAT killed them unless you give them a reason to, IE: a long blue streak coming out of the corner of a map. If you honestly don't see the advantage of a 500, you are a complete douche.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320342 is a reply to message #319099] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 11:01 |
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If you're using the ramjet right, the blue streak shouldn't matter too much, because the enemy won't have much of a head left to see it.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320359 is a reply to message #319099] |
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But wouldn't the ramjet user peg the guy, and then keep moving, to avoid the arty fire?
Plus, with the ramjet, there's a good chance that you can take one of the artillery units too.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320389 is a reply to message #319099] |
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Again, the 500 sniper ISN'T better than the Ramjet- Infact, there's not too many things it's better in, but it can still do its job, but at half the cost, and give alot less points to the enemy. I've been in a few servers (Not too many times as I generally don't snipe in AOW's very often) where we've won by just a few points- And, I was either rarely a ramjet user, or never a ramjet user. Had I been, and if I died, chances are I'd have just given them more points.
So, unless you're an expert camper and plan on never dying and can provide decent support to your teamates instead of just killwhoring, it's probably a better idea to go for the 500 sniper in an AOW.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320428 is a reply to message #320320] |
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| Calx wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 08:05 |
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 21:33 |
What's with this "sneakiness" deal? If you're in field, and you're in an arty, and you don't see snipers any more clearer with a ramjet than a 500, you're probably terrible at being in a vehicle. There's only like 3 areas they'll ever be, depending on how far your team is on the field. If you're barraging the war factory with an art, chances are the only place a sniper will be hitting you will be in its own base, or on the waterfall. It takes .5 seconds to check the waterfall (Which, any good person checks regularly). If you're just coming out of your base, it's going to be the bunkers, waterfall, or other team's base entrance. The biggest difference between using a ramjet and not using a ramjet, is that if it's just an engineer in an arty/MRL, a ramjet can actually do enough damage that the person inside the vehicle could just hop out for a few seconds, repair, and try and kill you. With an engineer against a ramjet, you don't always have that luxary unless you can hide behind something. In general, unless a person repairing a vehicle is pretty dumb, they're not going to be standing still eating a bagel. They're going to move around, and even if a 500 sniper misses, it'll show up on their screen they're being fired at and they can just get inside the tank and look. There's really only ever going to be 2-3 spots EVER where a sniper is going to be. Blue streaks isn't really going to make all the more difference. Ramjets are a clear winner against pretty much anything they're good at killing - Infantry, light armoured vehicles. Though if all you're doing is sniping infantry in the tunnel, then you're probably better off money-wise to buy a 500 snipers. You gain the same amount of points/cash per kill and one shot to the head does it, or one more shot then the ramjet. If you've got all the money in the world, then ramjet's still better. Then again, you aren't being very useful, either.
Nobody ever really cares much about the damage a 500 sniper does against vehicles. It's only been said to nerf the ramjet damage - for good reason, i think, being able to kill light armoured vehicles in less than 2 reloads is a really quick way to get it down - faster than a raveshaw/PIC could do it. Oh, and at infinity range.
Anyways, Hi.
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You my good sir, are an idiot.
Lets see: Bushes on field with a 500 or a ramjet. Yeah, I'm going to see the freaking blue streak. Maybe you have super-man-vision, but I don't, and if some little sneaky dead eye or black hand sniper is hiding in ONE OF THE HUNDREDS of dark little corners of various maps, chances are that I'm not going to see him. Lets not forget, that in the heat of battle, when people are taking damage over and over, and their techs are being hurt constantly, they don't know WHAT killed them unless you give them a reason to, IE: a long blue streak coming out of the corner of a map. If you honestly don't see the advantage of a 500, you are a complete douche.
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ad hominem much?
For one thing, I know I haven't played renegade in a very good while. One thing I don't remember is bushes on field. Correct me if I'm wrong when I say that there isn't any? Besides, when you play a game for so long, you see what's *different* in the surroundings. It's not much different in say, counter-strike. You see something you don't normally see, a terrorist skin or whatever else, and you spot it. It's the way your vision works. Thanks to third person view, you can see over hills, around hills and lots of different places. If a sniper is shooting me, 500 or 1000, I'll know where he'd be shooting at me in a matter of seconds. It doesn't take super-eye vision to find out. To me, this just looks like obvious troll is obvious. In order to see where a 1000 sniper is shooting from, you have to be looking at the direction he's shooting. Normally, if I just do a 360 spin, it's all I need to know to find the person. 500 sniper, 1000 sniper, any character. It's not hard.
There are not quote, ONE OF TEH HUNDREDS!!!!!!!!!1111, endquote, of spots on field to hide without being in absolute plain sight. Depending on where your vehicle is, there's only few possible choices where a sniper can be. On *any* map. Anyways, I'm done. Have fun
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320442 is a reply to message #320428] |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 16:35 |
| Calx wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 08:05 |
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 21:33 |
What's with this "sneakiness" deal? If you're in field, and you're in an arty, and you don't see snipers any more clearer with a ramjet than a 500, you're probably terrible at being in a vehicle. There's only like 3 areas they'll ever be, depending on how far your team is on the field. If you're barraging the war factory with an art, chances are the only place a sniper will be hitting you will be in its own base, or on the waterfall. It takes .5 seconds to check the waterfall (Which, any good person checks regularly). If you're just coming out of your base, it's going to be the bunkers, waterfall, or other team's base entrance. The biggest difference between using a ramjet and not using a ramjet, is that if it's just an engineer in an arty/MRL, a ramjet can actually do enough damage that the person inside the vehicle could just hop out for a few seconds, repair, and try and kill you. With an engineer against a ramjet, you don't always have that luxary unless you can hide behind something. In general, unless a person repairing a vehicle is pretty dumb, they're not going to be standing still eating a bagel. They're going to move around, and even if a 500 sniper misses, it'll show up on their screen they're being fired at and they can just get inside the tank and look. There's really only ever going to be 2-3 spots EVER where a sniper is going to be. Blue streaks isn't really going to make all the more difference. Ramjets are a clear winner against pretty much anything they're good at killing - Infantry, light armoured vehicles. Though if all you're doing is sniping infantry in the tunnel, then you're probably better off money-wise to buy a 500 snipers. You gain the same amount of points/cash per kill and one shot to the head does it, or one more shot then the ramjet. If you've got all the money in the world, then ramjet's still better. Then again, you aren't being very useful, either.
Nobody ever really cares much about the damage a 500 sniper does against vehicles. It's only been said to nerf the ramjet damage - for good reason, i think, being able to kill light armoured vehicles in less than 2 reloads is a really quick way to get it down - faster than a raveshaw/PIC could do it. Oh, and at infinity range.
Anyways, Hi.
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You my good sir, are an idiot.
Lets see: Bushes on field with a 500 or a ramjet. Yeah, I'm going to see the freaking blue streak. Maybe you have super-man-vision, but I don't, and if some little sneaky dead eye or black hand sniper is hiding in ONE OF THE HUNDREDS of dark little corners of various maps, chances are that I'm not going to see him. Lets not forget, that in the heat of battle, when people are taking damage over and over, and their techs are being hurt constantly, they don't know WHAT killed them unless you give them a reason to, IE: a long blue streak coming out of the corner of a map. If you honestly don't see the advantage of a 500, you are a complete douche.
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ad hominem much?
For one thing, I know I haven't played renegade in a very good while. One thing I don't remember is bushes on field. Correct me if I'm wrong when I say that there isn't any? Besides, when you play a game for so long, you see what's *different* in the surroundings. It's not much different in say, counter-strike. You see something you don't normally see, a terrorist skin or whatever else, and you spot it. It's the way your vision works. Thanks to third person view, you can see over hills, around hills and lots of different places. If a sniper is shooting me, 500 or 1000, I'll know where he'd be shooting at me in a matter of seconds. It doesn't take super-eye vision to find out. To me, this just looks like obvious troll is obvious. In order to see where a 1000 sniper is shooting from, you have to be looking at the direction he's shooting. Normally, if I just do a 360 spin, it's all I need to know to find the person. 500 sniper, 1000 sniper, any character. It's not hard.
There are not quote, ONE OF TEH HUNDREDS!!!!!!!!!1111, endquote, of spots on field to hide without being in absolute plain sight. Depending on where your vehicle is, there's only few possible choices where a sniper can be. On *any* map. Anyways, I'm done. Have fun
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All you basically have said is that ''well, I 'CAN' see a sniper.'', not that you WIIL. TBH, I've played plenty of volcano games where I was a humble little soldier wandering my base, and a 500 sniper was somewhere half way across the map or on the outskirts of the tiberium field picking me off, hiding in the shadows, and I had no idea where he was coming from.
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320504 is a reply to message #319527] |
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| kannies wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 08:22 |
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 07:53 |
This doesn't explain why 500s are better at it than ramjets.
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Because their shots cant be seen, with is not saying 500's are better, but its an advantage.
But in all fairness to this debate, the ramjet does appear to have a lot more plus points which far outweigh the 500's.
Another element to this, a GROUP of jets can be devastating to light armour, taking down mrls or arties very quickly before they have a chance to retaliate.
As I originally said, 500's usefull for cunning stealthy sniping.
Ramjets more for hardcore, straight to the point purposes and overall is better (should be for 500 more).
Any1 who denies that is thinking more about the skill needed to wield a 500 rifle to compensate for its flaws in damage and reload times. But if you already have those skills and instead wield a ramjet, you can kick ass!
Thus making the Ramjet better overall.
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I reiterate, to remind you that this is how it is. SniperDE7, saying 'what all this stealth business?' well its sniping! Sniping is basically eliminating opponents from a concealed location #ref wikipedia.
I get the feeling a lot of people on this forum underestimate 500's and how dangerous they can be.....
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Or we can just spot them just as easily?
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Sniper Rifle vs. Noobjet: The Argument [message #320519 is a reply to message #319099] |
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Yes there are only 3-4 places to hide in field, or any other fan maps. But put yourself in an unfamilier environment, play on UNrules or Jellymappack and use those same principals.
The map, The_Last_Stand, not 3 or 4 bushes but 100's of trees and overgrowth on the hills to hide in, a 500 would make a lethal assasin....
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Ofcourse the skin and model still helps you when you're sitting behind a rock, then pop out for a sec and go back. No reticle system will help u there...
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